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KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
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Posted - 2013.09.25 02:34:00 -
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Despite the whole AR vs Niche weapon war i think its not a BALANCE issue, but MORE of players bad decision making based on the lack of respecs.
Now this is NOT A RESPEC THREAD,but when you know your decisions are ''final'' you tend to stick to what you know.
And the first thing you are introduced too in DUST; is the MLT AR.
To cut to the chase, After all racial variants of ARs come out each starter fit should be modded depending to their race with a MLT variant.
Frontline and Medics:
AMARR-MLT Srambler Rifle
Gallante-MLT AR
Minmatar-MLT Combat Rifle
Caldari-MLT Rail rifle
Now you see where im going to with this?
Now i understand Sniper Rifles are sniper rifles.So the Sniper fit should stay as it is.
But what about AV? (AKA-Anti Armor)
Imagine:
Minmatar -MLT Swarm Launcher
Caldar - MLT Plasma Cannon
Amarr - ???
Gallante - ???
Al these fitted with MLT AV grenades (400-500 dm at most) to help them make at least SOME damage....
The main idea is having MLT variants of almost ALL weapons and if its race specific,you have a fitting for it!
Say i start playing Minmatar.I would have:
These all with Med frame Minmatar:
Frontline [STARTER] - With MLT Combat Rifle + MLT Nanos
Medic [STARTER] - With MLT Combat Rifle + MLT Nanite Inj
Sniper [STARTER]- MLT Sniper rifle + MLT SMG + MLT Nanos. Lower HP
Anti armor [STARTER] - MLT Swarm Launcher + MLT SMG + MLT AV nades
Heavy:
Heavy Minmatar
Heavy [STARTER] - MLT MINMATAR HEAVY WEAPON(???) + MLT SMG
Scout:
Minmatar Light frame
Scout [STARTER] - (A caldari CQ weapon, MLT) + MLT SMG
Now starting player would have a big arrange of race specific loadouts to try out different weapons and even Dropsuits.
They are all MLT the only difference is, you dont need to buy them since they are your race's equipment.
Now you could STILL buy everything else MLT, MLT AMARR SCOUT, MLT Scrambler rifle,MLT Rail Rifle etc...But you would have to pay for these.
Now an amarr player whose starter fit uses a MLT scrambler rifle say,with 20 clip size, its more probable to skill into Scrambler than into Ars'...Thats, at least what i think...
Any opinions welcome.
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Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.25 02:49:00 -
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I agree with this all.
Only, the SL is Caldari, and PlC is Gallente. |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
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Posted - 2013.09.25 02:50:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:I agree with this all.
Only, the SL is Caldari, and PlC is Gallente.
SRSLY?
i could SWEAR explosives were MINMATAR and Rail/Plasma launchers were caldari.Well my bad then.... |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.09.25 02:52:00 -
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Dust does need more diversity in it's starter fits. It needs more diversity across the board.
This also means that there should be no generalist weapon, and most certainly not the OP AR we have now.
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Melchiah ARANeAE
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.09.25 02:54:00 -
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Dont forget the Gallente Ion pistol, Caldari bolt pistol and Magsec SMG and the Minimitar Precision Rifle which are all coming soonGäó. :P
But I do feel this is what it should be. Each race should only really start with their races weapons, armour and vehicles. |
KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.09.25 02:59:00 -
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Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:Dont forget the Gallente Ion pistol, Caldari bolt pistol and Magsec SMG and the Minimitar Precision Rifle which are all coming soonGäó. :P
But I do feel this is what it should be. Each race should only really start with their races weapons, armour and vehicles.
THat was pretty much the main idea , sorry if i messed up some weapons there XD
I think it would incentivate players to diversify more on their weapon choices,maybe even create some faction loyalty.... |
Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.25 03:01:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:I agree with this all.
Only, the SL is Caldari, and PlC is Gallente. SRSLY?
i could SWEAR explosives were MINMATAR and Rail/Plasma launchers were caldari.Well my bad then....
Yeah, the Cals have the swarm.
The Caldari are reliant on Missiles, and while the minis do sometimes use missiles, they are mainly using Firearms. Like the SMG and the HMG.
In case you don't know, races are color coded.
Gallente are green.
Caldari are Grey and Navy Blue.
Amarr are gold.
Minmatar are Red and Black. |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
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Posted - 2013.09.25 03:04:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:I agree with this all.
Only, the SL is Caldari, and PlC is Gallente. SRSLY?
i could SWEAR explosives were MINMATAR and Rail/Plasma launchers were caldari.Well my bad then.... Yeah, the Cals have the swarm. The Caldari are reliant on Missiles, and while the minis do sometimes use missiles, they are mainly using Firearms. Like the SMG and the HMG. In case you don't know, races are color coded. Gallente are green. Caldari are Grey and Navy Blue. Amarr are gold. Minmatar are Red and Black.
Well i fixed the main post.Hope i didnt get it wrong again.... |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.25 03:05:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:I agree with this all.
Only, the SL is Caldari, and PlC is Gallente. SRSLY?
i could SWEAR explosives were MINMATAR and Rail/Plasma launchers were caldari.Well my bad then....
Caldari have missive technology.
If something is green and curvy, its generally Gallente.
For AV weapons, Minmatar could use the plasma cannon since Minmatar and Gallente are allies, and Amarr can use the swarm launcher since the Caldari and Amarr are allies. This is how starter LAVs work. |
Melchiah ARANeAE
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.09.25 03:09:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:Dont forget the Gallente Ion pistol, Caldari bolt pistol and Magsec SMG and the Minimitar Precision Rifle which are all coming soonGäó. :P
But I do feel this is what it should be. Each race should only really start with their races weapons, armour and vehicles. THat was pretty much the main idea , sorry if i messed up some weapons there XDI think it would incentivate players to diversify more on their weapon choices,maybe even create some faction loyalty....
Ah, it's fine. :P
And I was thinking, maybe remove them from the player once they reach a certain SP or WP level, but unlock awesome re-skinned variants by getting faction loyalty points by fighting in FW. Also, make the player very aware you'll take them away. Don't want them to get completely screwed over from having no preparation. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.09.25 03:16:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:I agree with this all.
Only, the SL is Caldari, and PlC is Gallente. SRSLY?
i could SWEAR explosives were MINMATAR and Rail/Plasma launchers were caldari.Well my bad then.... Caldari have missive technology. If something is green and curvy, its generally Gallente. For AV weapons, Minmatar could use the plasma cannon since Minmatar and Gallente are allies, and Amarr can use the swarm launcher since the Caldari and Amarr are allies. This is how starter LAVs work.
The easiest way is to just go by the manufacturers. Ishukone is Caldari, thus, the swarm launcher is Caldari.
Allotek is Gallente, thus the Plasma Cannons are Gallente.
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