DUST Search - What can we do and what can ccp do

xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:

Vrain Matari wrote:

xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

we're back up to 4.1k peak frequency so not sure what the worry is about.

Sorry IWS, I studied Economy for 3 years and these trend (the six months and three months) are absolutely negative.
In other words, if it was a market quotation you should sell immediately.

The number of peeps who've gone bankrupt looking at 3 & 6 months trends is legion. Doesn't mean you're wrong doesn't mean your right. And your invoking of special economics knowledge owing to you education reminds me of a priest.

The only priests i'm willing to take at face value wear pirate costumes.

The medieval priest in this case, and with all the respect I may have for any other person and for many priests, is you. Negating the obvious.
You're right, 3 and 6 months are not enough to judge "successful" from "failure" that's why I'm asking the community for possible provisions because the simple statistics are negative.
Just try to be realistic: just don't hide behind GTA V, don't hide behind Summer Time, don't hide behind (in the future) PS4, Metal Gear Solid 5, Christmas or whatever.

Trend calculation is one of the basic statistics, and you don't need any kind of "special" knowledge to understand what's going on here anyway. Please then, don't even bother to post any answer in this thread, if you can't even recognize that there's actually a problem, or better, many problems to be solved. The purpose of this thread is to start a constructive discussion, but if you and some others are going to post "everything's ok", "there's no problem", "you visionary" please desist.

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xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 680	Posted - 2013.09.23 09:13:00 - [1] - Quote Looks to me, the situation is pretty bad. Playerbase is sinking and many players cannot even connect to Tranquillity. What should ccp do in your opinion to save this game? What can we do? Can we help somehow? It is an open discussion, feel free to reply with walls of text if needed, and please try to be as impartial as possible, in other words no fanboys, no haters. I really think it is important for ccp to know how the remaining player base feels.
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 630	Posted - 2013.09.23 09:20:00 - [2] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Looks to me, the situation is pretty bad. Playerbase is sinking and many players cannot even connect to Tranquillity. What should ccp do in your opinion to save this game? What can we do? Can we help somehow? It is an open discussion, feel free to reply with walls of text if needed, and please try to be as impartial as possible, in other words no fanboys, no haters. I really think it is important for ccp to know how the remaining player base feels. Word of mouth! We need more publicity, and more intrigue more of the social interaction this game is meamt to be based on!
Stevez WingYip Ametat Security Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.09.23 09:25:00 - [3] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Looks to me, the situation is pretty bad. Playerbase is sinking and many players cannot even connect to Tranquillity. What should ccp do in your opinion to save this game? What can we do? Can we help somehow? It is an open discussion, feel free to reply with walls of text if needed, and please try to be as impartial as possible, in other words no fanboys, no haters. I really think it is important for ccp to know how the remaining player base feels. CCP know. This is worse for them than it is for us. My personal problems with this game is the amount of announced stuff and the length of time it takes to do anything. Plus the skill point system is just stupid. I much prefer the passive SP system so I don't have to feel like I "MUST" log in to keep up with others.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 8740	Posted - 2013.09.23 09:25:00 - [4] - Quote we're back up to 4.1k peak frequency so not sure what the worry is about.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 681	Posted - 2013.09.23 09:30:00 - [5] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: we're back up to 4.1k peak frequency so not sure what the worry is about. Sorry IWS, I studied Economy for 3 years and these trend (the six months and three months) are absolutely negative. In other words, if it was a market quotation you should sell immediately.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1106	Posted - 2013.09.23 09:33:00 - [6] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: we're back up to 4.1k peak frequency so not sure what the worry is about. Ha, you do know those are weekend numbers? We've been pretty steady on 3.5k-3.8k weekdays since 1.4 and then a little more than 4k weekends. Numbers were around 4.5k-4.7k weekdays and a little more than 5k weekends prior to 1.4.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 8740	Posted - 2013.09.23 09:43:00 - [7] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: we're back up to 4.1k peak frequency so not sure what the worry is about. Sorry IWS, I studied Economy for 3 years and these trend (the six months and three months) are absolutely negative. In other words, if it was a market quotation you should sell immediately. well in that case http://steamcharts.com/app/218230#All 90% loss, Planetside 2 is a total garbage heap then. In other words; you need to do some more homework, not discounting your economics skills but you need to get trendy with MMOs more and study the patterns better and throw some psychology and sociology into the mix.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 8740	Posted - 2013.09.23 09:47:00 - [8] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: we're back up to 4.1k peak frequency so not sure what the worry is about. Ha, you do know those are weekend numbers? We've been pretty steady on 3.5k-3.8k weekdays since 1.4 and then a little more than 4k weekends. Numbers were around 4.5k-4.7k weekdays and a little more than 5k weekends prior to 1.4. Yeah I am aware of weekly trends just I am expecting another week of instability before we start seeing where the numbers are really going.
Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 268	Posted - 2013.09.23 09:55:00 - [9] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Looks to me, the situation is pretty bad. Playerbase is sinking and many players cannot even connect to Tranquillity. What should ccp do in your opinion to save this game? What can we do? Can we help somehow? It is an open discussion, feel free to reply with walls of text if needed, and please try to be as impartial as possible, in other words no fanboys, no haters. I really think it is important for ccp to know how the remaining player base feels. Not being a hater but realistically the whole game needs a rethink. They need to stop and work out what kind of game they are making. Either they are making an open world persistent MMO with guns ... OR ... they are making a match based shooter. Once they work out which of these games they want to make they can tear it apart and rebuild and to be honest it probably means taking it offline, porting to PC or PS4. Tiny bandaids on the current system just isn't working. They also need to recapitalise the game, either give it a budget or don't. Fire the entire crop of devs and move out of China, development by correspondence clearly isn't working and the current devs would make great accountants but have abso-freakin-lutely no idea what is fun in either an RPG or a shooter. It also needs to be made either in Eastern Europe or the US where there is a long history of competent FPS development. Not being racist but different areas of the world specialise in different types of games. If they go MMO there are tonnes of options, they could make it a full stat (not reflex) based MMO or they could build a New Eden single shard version of PS2. If they go lobby shooter, they need to cater 10,000% to the FPS crowd and f*%^cking strangle any asshat who tries to inject RPG elements into the game, got to be pure level playing field skill based. Tl;dr Make up their damn minds.
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 402	Posted - 2013.09.23 10:28:00 - [10] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: we're back up to 4.1k peak frequency so not sure what the worry is about. Sorry IWS, I studied Economy for 3 years and these trend (the six months and three months) are absolutely negative. In other words, if it was a market quotation you should sell immediately. The numbers also don't account for people who log in for the bonus SP and then not play. If anything a drop would show more significance than any bump since it would indicate people couldn't be bothered to log in for the nearly free SP.

Tectonious Falcon D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 729	Posted - 2013.09.23 10:35:00 - [11] - Quote Revert to Replication or earlier without the bugs and watch people flood in. I'm willing to bet all of the older players that left would come back too.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 468	Posted - 2013.09.23 10:37:00 - [12] - Quote Stevez WingYip wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Looks to me, the situation is pretty bad. Playerbase is sinking and many players cannot even connect to Tranquillity. What should ccp do in your opinion to save this game? What can we do? Can we help somehow? It is an open discussion, feel free to reply with walls of text if needed, and please try to be as impartial as possible, in other words no fanboys, no haters. I really think it is important for ccp to know how the remaining player base feels. CCP know. This is worse for them than it is for us. My personal problems with this game is the amount of announced stuff and the length of time it takes to do anything. Plus the skill point system is just stupid. I much prefer the passive SP system so I don't have to feel like I "MUST" log in to keep up with others. THIS. Just this. To many promises, "what could be", "potential", PVE not even started, the forcing feeling of "you have to log in", NO words to PS4, game was released way to early, dropsuits missing and so on and so on
LudiKure ninda Black Phoenix Mercenaries 17	Posted - 2013.09.23 10:43:00 - [13] - Quote Since ccp released 1.4 reddots are melting me with AR in my heavy suits . since I dont hawe skills in dropsuits and AR (all into tanks unfortunately)
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 682	Posted - 2013.09.23 11:05:00 - [14] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: we're back up to 4.1k peak frequency so not sure what the worry is about. Sorry IWS, I studied Economy for 3 years and these trend (the six months and three months) are absolutely negative. In other words, if it was a market quotation you should sell immediately. well in that case http://steamcharts.com/app/218230#All 90% loss, Planetside 2 is a total garbage heap then. In other words; you need to do some more homework, not discounting your economics skills but you need to get trendy with MMOs more and study the patterns better and throw some psychology and sociology into the mix. The thing is most MMOs get the initial peak then never recover from that peak. How much of that peak drops off within a month is typically critical. Exactly. Planetside is dying thats why they re actually doing something good to bring numbers up (ps4 f2p at launch). Indeed it is in trouble, just like dust. If i had to throw in sociology the situation is even more critical. Just think. When nobody of your friends play dust you may just log in and take your free sps. I can see it in the eu community clearly. My corp counts 500+ players with no alts admitted. What the french, GAC, UPS: they all have huge numbers with really low participation. If it's not a problem for you, well i don't know what else to say. Negating the existence of the problem, does not help at all.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1686	Posted - 2013.09.23 11:17:00 - [15] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: we're back up to 4.1k peak frequency so not sure what the worry is about. Sorry IWS, I studied Economy for 3 years and these trend (the six months and three months) are absolutely negative. In other words, if it was a market quotation you should sell immediately. well in that case http://steamcharts.com/app/218230#All 90% loss, Planetside 2 is a total garbage heap then. In other words; you need to do some more homework, not discounting your economics skills but you need to get trendy with MMOs more and study the patterns better and throw some psychology and sociology into the mix. The thing is most MMOs get the initial peak then never recover from that peak. How much of that peak drops off within a month is typically critical. they still beat us.. they went from 8k to 6k over 5 months we went from 4k to 2.5k over 3 months using the yearly models
Vrain Matari ZionTCD 948	Posted - 2013.09.23 13:17:00 - [16] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: we're back up to 4.1k peak frequency so not sure what the worry is about. Sorry IWS, I studied Economy for 3 years and these trend (the six months and three months) are absolutely negative. In other words, if it was a market quotation you should sell immediately. The number of peeps who've gone bankrupt looking at 3 & 6 months trends is legion. Doesn't mean you're wrong doesn't mean your right. And your invoking of special economics knowledge owing to you education reminds me of a priest. The only priests i'm willing to take at face value wear pirate costumes.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 682	Posted - 2013.09.23 13:34:00 - [17] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: we're back up to 4.1k peak frequency so not sure what the worry is about. Sorry IWS, I studied Economy for 3 years and these trend (the six months and three months) are absolutely negative. In other words, if it was a market quotation you should sell immediately. The number of peeps who've gone bankrupt looking at 3 & 6 months trends is legion. Doesn't mean you're wrong doesn't mean your right. And your invoking of special economics knowledge owing to you education reminds me of a priest. The only priests i'm willing to take at face value wear pirate costumes. The medieval priest in this case, and with all the respect I may have for any other person and for many priests, is you. Negating the obvious. You're right, 3 and 6 months are not enough to judge "successful" from "failure" that's why I'm asking the community for possible provisions because the simple statistics are negative. Just try to be realistic: just don't hide behind GTA V, don't hide behind Summer Time, don't hide behind (in the future) PS4, Metal Gear Solid 5, Christmas or whatever. Trend calculation is one of the basic statistics, and you don't need any kind of "special" knowledge to understand what's going on here anyway. Please then, don't even bother to post any answer in this thread, if you can't even recognize that there's actually a problem, or better, many problems to be solved. The purpose of this thread is to start a constructive discussion, but if you and some others are going to post "everything's ok", "there's no problem", "you visionary" please desist.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 8748	Posted - 2013.09.23 17:33:00 - [18] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: we're back up to 4.1k peak frequency so not sure what the worry is about. Sorry IWS, I studied Economy for 3 years and these trend (the six months and three months) are absolutely negative. In other words, if it was a market quotation you should sell immediately. The number of peeps who've gone bankrupt looking at 3 & 6 months trends is legion. Doesn't mean you're wrong doesn't mean your right. And your invoking of special economics knowledge owing to you education reminds me of a priest. The only priests i'm willing to take at face value wear pirate costumes. The medieval priest in this case, and with all the respect I may have for any other person and for many priests, is you. Negating the obvious. You're right, 3 and 6 months are not enough to judge "successful" from "failure" that's why I'm asking the community for possible provisions because the simple statistics are negative. Just try to be realistic: just don't hide behind GTA V, don't hide behind Summer Time, don't hide behind (in the future) PS4, Metal Gear Solid 5, Christmas or whatever. Trend calculation is one of the basic statistics, and you don't need any kind of "special" knowledge to understand what's going on here anyway. Please then, don't even bother to post any answer in this thread, if you can't even recognize that there's actually a problem, or better, many problems to be solved. The purpose of this thread is to start a constructive discussion, but if you and some others are going to post "everything's ok", "there's no problem", "you visionary" please desist. I do not get the luxury of looking at graphs from tomorrow nor is it something I really have to worry about more than one week at a time. I typically don't hide behind them, just when our population spikes down its clear cut it did for whatever factors on that day its very hard to deny the impact in Dust 514. For example the 1.4 down spike started three days before patch deployment which means external factors where to mostly blame not internal ones. Idiot graph readers didn't match dates and blamed 1.4s 'population loss' on the patch instead of things that launched 3 days before on the PS3, namely FF:ARR going open beta and Diablo 3. Funny thing about our patches is that Now unlike Planetside 2 which whose graph shows a near constant 10% 'LOSS' every month in steam players that even their latest patch has entirely failed to bring back interest (in other words according to the player charts players are simply no longer involved in the game enough to know when a patch is coming to try it out.) Now one good point of Planetside 2 is nearly unphased by external developments, many other shooters hit the market and nobody leaves that game in droves, this can be seen as both a good and bad thing. Good because customers don't abandon the game at a whim to the greener fields of another, bad when you compound it that at end of the month you're still suffering a loss which means the game is nearly at full fault for player losses. Dust 514 is a bit different in terms of its patches. The patch typically causes a down spike of all things. The numbers do go back up for a short time after the patch because of a multiplier event that follows a patch but net gain loss in the end after everyone patches in. Now unlike Planetside 2 where the earlier patches used to cause increases of players coming back in. Dust 514's numbers go slowly back up over the course of a patch. This can be a number of things but I am willing to bank on most of those folks being veterans giving the patch another go after their initial rage quit. The other being low number gains. Now what has changed recently on the steam graph was the beta period was removed from the all time graph which had at one point 120,000 steam players playing planetside 2, and with this month only 2k players actively logging in.... Dust on the other hand never enjoyed numbers that high percentage wise even during its beta phase. The peak you see on the map now is the all time peak at 6.5k Now people had recalled that Dust 514 used to have 9k players, this is wrong. that was 'singularity' the test server combined population which included eve pilots. As far as time on singularity and earlier test server populations all that is still classified and non-permissible release. Dust current peak to peak is also surpassing earlier months started back as far as June though very marginal. In other words, we're pretty freaking stable for an MMO. General typical pattern of Most MMOs (and nearly all video games and almost arguable new tech products such as the iphone) is always a decline, most developers focus on combating the decline and fail horribly. Which is why the massive giant MMO world of warcraft had peaked at 15 million shortly after its launch and declined to half of its former glory around 7 million, they are now developing technologies to make it seem the game is populated which is a generally bad sign but also its coming at the cost and ire of many players.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 1119	Posted - 2013.09.23 18:03:00 - [19] - Quote DUST 514 is a Tortoise in an industry full of Hares. ____________________________________________________________________________ Immortal Guides, supporting knowledge dissemination in New Eden since August 31, 2013.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 8751	Posted - 2013.09.23 18:07:00 - [20] - Quote Now a real challenge for me would be interpreting the new player graphs. If I was armed with the knowledge of which ones are alts and unique, ex-trails, or mere percentage wise of each group it becomes really difficult how that translates into the above active player graph eventually. Luckily CCP has these numbers and use them to good effect.

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 8758	Posted - 2013.09.23 18:11:00 - [21] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: DUST 514 is a Tortoise in an industry full of Hares. ____________________________________________________________________________ Immortal Guides, supporting knowledge dissemination in New Eden since August 31, 2013. This is accurate so far.
GTA V FTW Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 107	Posted - 2013.09.23 18:22:00 - [22] - Quote Anyone else picture IWS in a cheerleader uniform with pom pom's yelling " Ra Ra CCP is great! " when they read his Unicorn and Rainbow post's? He cracks me up, I swear he snorts CCP crack 24/7.


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