DUST Search - [BUG/Glitch/Exploit] Mass Driver with 3x ROF: video inside

Kaze Eyrou wrote:

ratamaq doc:
I still hold to my original edumacated guess of it being lag. One more thing I noted that you also brought up is that the player is most likely from Japan (noting the character name and corp name).

However, after reviewing it a couple more times, the lag seems to be on his end, which unfortunately is "normal".

Here's what I mean. Japan connects to TQ from a much larger distance away than you and I (you being South US and I being East). I have also seen this as well versus Japanese players. My guess is that Japan connects to TQ (Japan to Iceland) and then relayed to you (Iceland to US) and back and forth again. The latency and connections must travel 3/4 of the way around the world before making the trek back again.

I can only draw on my rudimentary knowledge of the basics I learned about computers but I believe that may be the general gist of it. However, I do acknowledge that I could be wrong. I hope someone more knowledgeable about this subject can interject with sciences and maths. [:D]

I do want to correct myself on what I said originally on your original post. I had thought that there was the "running in place" effect the first time watching the video which led me to deduce lag on your end. After watching it again and after these post, again on another computer, I guess the first pass was the video stuttering.

Also, I did note that it was an EXO-5 and not the Assault MD variants and I believe the Assault MD doesn't fire that fast either so I'm with you there.

Anyways, imma step aside. Hopefully a Dev can comment on the video and explain what's going on behind the scenes.


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ratamaq doc 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 77	Posted - 2013.09.20 20:50:00 - [1] - Quote I started this in a GD thread. I wanted for others to look at the video and for anyone to come out saying they've seen this before. Original Thread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1319578#post1319578 Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QOTmiA0p-s Unfortunately, I was not capturing sound, so you cannot hear how fast this MD is firing, but I heard it throughout the game. It is the reason I started capping and hunted the merc down doing the firing to get this footage. In the video, 5 shots are fired all day. The 4th shot is the one that kills me. shots 1, 2, and 3 take place in under a second. It's hard to see the 3rd shot because it is behind my rifle, look closely at the smoke trails. You'll notice that at 22m away, his second shot has left the barrel before his first shot impacts. To really get a since of how fast he is firing, notice my health decrease. Look at the numbers, not the bar. You will notice 3 distinctive drops in quick succession. I've only ever seen this happen in this game. If I see it again, I will cap video and get sound next time.
ratamaq doc 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 77	Posted - 2013.09.21 18:42:00 - [2] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Massive lol, TechMechMeds wrote: Oh I didn't even bother to watch the video. ....
ratamaq doc 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 77	Posted - 2013.09.22 16:18:00 - [3] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: ratamaq doc wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Massive lol, TechMechMeds wrote: Oh I didn't even bother to watch the video. .... Your attempt to make me look stupid fails as none of the people on this thread understand how the server works lol carry on Maybe you can learn us all something. What component do you think was responsible for our connection issues Friday night? And if you were CCP, how would you remediate? TechMechMeds wrote: Ok I watched it now, looks like he fires 3 fp shots and finishes with an md shot, or your just lagging. My just lagging? That doesn't make since. Not sure how I can possess 'just lagging' but since you're smarter than the rest of the people on this thread, I have to believe that you didn't mean "you're just lagging".
ratamaq doc 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 77	Posted - 2013.09.22 16:27:00 - [4] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Ok I watched it now, looks like he fires 3 fp shots and finishes with an md shot... Maybe you're right. Your powers of observation are remarkable. I don't think anyone would've caught the fact that the dude had a sidearm in a callogi suite. You should start a new bug thread.
ratamaq doc 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 78	Posted - 2013.09.22 16:49:00 - [5] - Quote Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: OK, I saw 3 shots fired in short rate of fire. Movie not look like fake either(we can easily compare in-game time with out-game). The last thing I noticed was that you were killed by Japanese guy, could you tell us from what part of world are you playing and what is your in game region set to? PS Big + for video of that thing. South U.S. Server set to auto.
ratamaq doc 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 81	Posted - 2013.09.24 17:47:00 - [6] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: ratamaq doc: I still hold to my original edumacated guess of it being lag. One more thing I noted that you also brought up is that the player is most likely from Japan (noting the character name and corp name). However, after reviewing it a couple more times, the lag seems to be on his end, which unfortunately is "normal". Here's what I mean. Japan connects to TQ from a much larger distance away than you and I (you being South US and I being East). I have also seen this as well versus Japanese players. My guess is that Japan connects to TQ (Japan to Iceland) and then relayed to you (Iceland to US) and back and forth again. The latency and connections must travel 3/4 of the way around the world before making the trek back again. I can only draw on my rudimentary knowledge of the basics I learned about computers but I believe that may be the general gist of it. However, I do acknowledge that I could be wrong. I hope someone more knowledgeable about this subject can interject with sciences and maths. [:D] I do want to correct myself on what I said originally on your original post. I had thought that there was the "running in place" effect the first time watching the video which led me to deduce lag on your end. After watching it again and after these post, again on another computer, I guess the first pass was the video stuttering. Also, I did note that it was an EXO-5 and not the Assault MD variants and I believe the Assault MD doesn't fire that fast either so I'm with you there. Anyways, imma step aside. Hopefully a Dev can comment on the video and explain what's going on behind the scenes. I hear you. Being an IT professional, I'm also more than aware of the latency that speed of light limitations can cause. My leaning to the thought that this could be a reproducible glitch is the fact that in a year of playing this game, I'd never seen, or more importantly heard this before. The guy was doing it all game, and I heard it from both up close and distance. Since I shot this video I did see it one more time when I snuck up behind a MD user and he started jumping and shooting frantically. It was only two rapid shots then, and I wasn't hearing it all game. I'm not to worried about it at this point, if it were a glitch that was easy to repetitively reproduce, (like the melee glitch) it would be more wide spread. Like someone else posted, it could've been a modded/programmable controller with a macro simulating something to the effect of Fire, sprint, grenade, swap, fire, which would be near impossible to reproduce by hand. At any rate, mine was only 1 example. If it becomes a problem, more will use it, more will see it and complain. Then the Devs would take notice.
ratamaq doc 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 91	Posted - 2013.10.02 23:49:00 - [7] - Quote XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote: abarkrishna wrote: Its not a bug. It still does less dps than your assault rifle. He is using the assault Mass driver which is the Fastest firing of all of them. Most people Use the Exo 5 M/D which has a slightly slower fire rate because it does more damage. perhaps You just didnt know that they have different firing rates because your not skilled into them. Also using a modded controller would be useless with a mass driver because Rpm is 75.00 75 divided by 60 is 1.25 That means he shoot 1.25 rounds a second. it took you 3 seconds to die he shot 4 bullets. THE MATH DOES NOT LIE! Idiots If you cant pull your trigger 2 times in a second you should Quit this game and go play my little pony these people are idiots? watch the damn video it clearly states 'NEO' logistics G-I and exo-5 mass driver Thank you. Love the people trying to use the flaylock as a possible explanation also. 'Neo' LOGISTICS G-1 as in doesn't have a side arm.