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Piraten Hovnoret
No Tax Scrubs
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Posted - 2013.09.20 05:05:00 -
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going 2 get ganged banged by the AR maffia now 
Any way first I Belive that AL prototype weapons shoud be MUTCH better than anything else.
Maybee I am just doing it wrong but I don't c the huge difference with the EXO and the Freedom more then the isk and fitting cost.
Have 2 suggestions
1 Nerf the EXO buy cutting amo hold from 12 to 10 and gIve the Freedom a bigger amo supply from 12 to 14 ( basic values)
2 Decrease splash damg or radius on the EXO and/or increase it for the Freedom.
Flame away. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
322
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Posted - 2013.09.20 05:08:00 -
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use the boundless assault, much better in my opinion. |
Awry Barux
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
72
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Posted - 2013.09.20 05:13:00 -
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Proto gear is MEANT to provide only small benefits over ADV gear, for greatly increased costs. That's the entire design philosophy behind the tier system. All other light weapons (except the swarm) have the same tiny amount of improvement. If anything, the MD actually gets a bigger boost due to the splash radius increase. When this design philosophy gets ignored, as it is for shield extenders (where proto is fully 2x as good as ADV), the game gets dumb as everyone flocks to proto tier, as it becomes the only viable option. Then we get proto stomps and a terrible NPE, and then no one new plays Dust, and the game that we all love slowly dies.
I smell an entitled SP-rich veteran, mad because people without full proto can compete on a mildly even playing field. |
Piraten Hovnoret
No Tax Scrubs
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Posted - 2013.09.20 05:17:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:use the boundless assault, much better in my opinion.
The baundless is great but that was not the topic was it.
The topic is about the EXO and the Freedom. And to the fact they are just 2 close to stats. ( except price and fitting )
in my mind you are getting access ( or almost ) to a prototype gun with the EXO |
Piraten Hovnoret
No Tax Scrubs
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Posted - 2013.09.20 05:29:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:Proto gear is MEANT to provide only small benefits over ADV gear, for greatly increased costs. That's the entire design philosophy behind the tier system. All other light weapons (except the swarm) have the same tiny amount of improvement. If anything, the MD actually gets a bigger boost due to the splash radius increase. When this design philosophy gets ignored, as it is for shield extenders (where proto is fully 2x as good as ADV), the game gets dumb as everyone flocks to proto tier, as it becomes the only viable option. Then we get proto stomps and a terrible NPE, and then no one new plays Dust, and the game that we all love slowly dies.
I smell an entitled SP-rich veteran, mad because people without full proto can compete on a mildly even playing field.
lol only played for just over 3 months so thanx for saying I am a veteran.
To the rest of your post I hear you and understand what you are saying/typing and I respect that however I don't agree with your arguments at al. What you are saying is that some one with no sp and time invested should compete on equal terms of a proto outfitt. I can never ever agree on that. The proto stomp issue is a hole other matter that need to be addressed however hat was what this topic was about was it.
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Omareth Nasadra
QcGOLD
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Posted - 2013.09.20 07:07:00 -
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what wrong with the freedom? are you dumb or what? i can tear you a masshole in tha face with that baby, peep only use the exo cuz if you die 3x with a freedom you may end up negative isk wise, thats the reason you see more exo spam |
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
266
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Posted - 2013.09.20 09:08:00 -
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Piraten Hovnoret wrote:going 2 get ganged banged by the AR mafia now Any way first I Belive that AL prototype weapons shoud be MUTCH better than anything else. Maybee I am just doing it wrong but I don't c the huge difference with the EXO and the Freedom more then the isk and fitting cost. Have 2 suggestions 1 Nerf the EXO buy cutting amo hold from 12 to 10 and gIve the Freedom a bigger amo supply from 12 to 14 ( basic values) 2 Decrease splash damg or radius on the EXO and/or increase it for the Freedom. Flame away.
Quit bitching u noob leave the massdriver alone , u smell like bacon u know that . |
Spycrab Potato
Hold-Your-Fire
481
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Posted - 2013.09.20 13:30:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:use the boundless assault, much better in my opinion.
I agree, it adds more suppression and to be honest. It feels MUCH better. |
Awry Barux
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
76
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Posted - 2013.09.20 13:48:00 -
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Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Awry Barux wrote:Proto gear is MEANT to provide only small benefits over ADV gear, for greatly increased costs. That's the entire design philosophy behind the tier system. All other light weapons (except the swarm) have the same tiny amount of improvement. If anything, the MD actually gets a bigger boost due to the splash radius increase. When this design philosophy gets ignored, as it is for shield extenders (where proto is fully 2x as good as ADV), the game gets dumb as everyone flocks to proto tier, as it becomes the only viable option. Then we get proto stomps and a terrible NPE, and then no one new plays Dust, and the game that we all love slowly dies.
I smell an entitled SP-rich veteran, mad because people without full proto can compete on a mildly even playing field. lol only played for just over 3 months so thanx for saying I am a veteran. To the rest of your post I hear you and understand what you are saying/typing and I respect that however I don't agree with your arguments at al. What you are saying is that some one with no sp and time invested should compete on equal terms of a proto outfitt. I can never ever agree on that. The proto stomp issue is a hole other matter that need to be addressed however that was not what this topic was about was it?
I'm not saying it should be perfectly even, I'm just saying that proto shouldn't be massively more effective than ADV gear. Someone with ZERO sp and time invested should definitely be at a disadvantage, but someone who has invested a moderate amount of SP and time (say, 2 months) shouldn't be stuck being only half as effective numerically as someone who's been around for 6+ months.
Proto stomping is not a whole other matter. Buffing proto at the expense of advanced gear will directly encourage people to run proto in pubs, since being in proto would mean that, BY THE NUMBERS, you are nearly guaranteed to win unless you're completely incompetent. |
CLONE117
Planetary Response Organization
Test Friends Please Ignore
368
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Posted - 2013.09.20 15:27:00 -
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i feel the noobs on this game actually deserve a chance for winning.....
sure they still die easily but atleast they r more dangerous.... |
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
3375
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Posted - 2013.09.20 16:26:00 -
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Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Awry Barux wrote:Proto gear is MEANT to provide only small benefits over ADV gear, for greatly increased costs. That's the entire design philosophy behind the tier system. All other light weapons (except the swarm) have the same tiny amount of improvement. If anything, the MD actually gets a bigger boost due to the splash radius increase. When this design philosophy gets ignored, as it is for shield extenders (where proto is fully 2x as good as ADV), the game gets dumb as everyone flocks to proto tier, as it becomes the only viable option. Then we get proto stomps and a terrible NPE, and then no one new plays Dust, and the game that we all love slowly dies.
I smell an entitled SP-rich veteran, mad because people without full proto can compete on a mildly even playing field. lol only played for just over 3 months so thanx for saying I am a veteran. To the rest of your post I hear you and understand what you are saying/typing and I respect that however I don't agree with your arguments at al. What you are saying is that some one with no sp and time invested should compete on equal terms of a proto outfitt. I can never ever agree on that. The proto stomp issue is a hole other matter that need to be addressed however that was not what this topic was about was it?
It's not equal terms. It's not equal terms now - why do you get the impression that it would ever be 'equal'?
The issue here is that you're asking for proto gear to be even more superior to normal gear than it is currently - and that isn't a good idea. It provides a bonus - making that bonus an absolute fight winner brings the game right down to whoever has the shiniest gun. At the moment the gap between weapon tiers is in a good place. |
KA24DERT
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
144
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Posted - 2013.09.20 17:22:00 -
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MASS DRIVER IS FINE. |
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
268
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Posted - 2013.09.20 18:25:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:MASS DRIVER IS FINE.
I agree |
Piraten Hovnoret
No Tax Scrubs
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Posted - 2013.09.20 19:45:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Awry Barux wrote:Proto gear is MEANT to provide only small benefits over ADV gear, for greatly increased costs. That's the entire design philosophy behind the tier system. All other light weapons (except the swarm) have the same tiny amount of improvement. If anything, the MD actually gets a bigger boost due to the splash radius increase. When this design philosophy gets ignored, as it is for shield extenders (where proto is fully 2x as good as ADV), the game gets dumb as everyone flocks to proto tier, as it becomes the only viable option. Then we get proto stomps and a terrible NPE, and then no one new plays Dust, and the game that we all love slowly dies.
I smell an entitled SP-rich veteran, mad because people without full proto can compete on a mildly even playing field. lol only played for just over 3 months so thanx for saying I am a veteran. To the rest of your post I hear you and understand what you are saying/typing and I respect that however I don't agree with your arguments at al. What you are saying is that some one with no sp and time invested should compete on equal terms of a proto outfitt. I can never ever agree on that. The proto stomp issue is a hole other matter that need to be addressed however that was not what this topic was about was it? It's not equal terms. It's not equal terms now - why do you get the impression that it would ever be 'equal'? The issue here is that you're asking for proto gear to be even more superior to normal gear than it is currently - and that isn't a good idea. It provides a bonus - making that bonus an absolute fight winner brings the game right down to whoever has the shiniest gun. At the moment the gap between weapon tiers is in a good place.
Oh well not a big issue 4 me to be honest. However I still belive the EXO and the Freedom are just 2 close. Have looked into the other types of guns out there and in the differences are bigger with other guns.
To be honest as a dedicated LOgi I prefer the EXO even when in proto gear I need that CPU and PoWer 4 my proto gear to be honest. even as a fully spec md use I do like to rock the Fredoom at times 
Peace out bro |
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