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Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
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Posted - 2013.09.19 06:13:00 -
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Give us our PG skill back. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
3353
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Posted - 2013.09.19 06:18:00 -
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Have to wonder why it was ever changed. |
Lorhak Gannarsein
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
413
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Posted - 2013.09.19 07:37:00 -
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Please, CCP? You might even be able to get away with putting off the balance pass further! |
sixteensixty4
CAUSE 4 C0NCERN
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Posted - 2013.09.19 07:48:00 -
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And buff the shield boosters, just a little
And let us remove the passenger turrets |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
8634
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Posted - 2013.09.19 07:57:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Have to wonder why it was ever changed.
I would ask CCP Blam but you know... can't talk about CCP Blam. |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
757
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Posted - 2013.09.19 15:01:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Have to wonder why it was ever changed. Because we have to constantly adapt, donchaknow. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2381
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:02:00 -
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If it was meant to be a temporary adjustment while they moved forward with changes, and that was four months ago, then it seems like they could hotfix it back to being a normal PG skill until they've actually figured out what they want to do with vehicles. |
Jakar Umbra
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
236
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:06:00 -
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I remember the PG skill being changed because of the whole thing about the Creodron Breach HAV having higher PG than a Madrugar so people were stacking ridiculous amounts of HP on it. So instead of simply changing the Creodron Breach HAV's PG, they did that and changed the PG Skill. |
KenKaniff69
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
438
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:35:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Have to wonder why it was ever changed. I would ask CCP Blam but you know... can't talk about CCP Blam. Please stay away from vehicle threads unless you have something constructive to say that actually makes sense. |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
1200
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:37:00 -
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Yes return the PG skill please... |
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CharCharOdell
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
896
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Posted - 2013.09.19 17:02:00 -
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Please |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
8653
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Posted - 2013.09.19 17:03:00 -
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KenKaniff69 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Have to wonder why it was ever changed. I would ask CCP Blam but you know... can't talk about CCP Blam. Please stay away from vehicle threads unless you have something constructive to say that actually makes sense.
I can levie the same complaint against a large number of posters. 95% of the posts on vehicles are not very constructive and the post that where constructive were buried to heck and torn to pieces by tank trolls. |
Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
698
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Posted - 2013.09.19 17:03:00 -
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We need CCP Blam, at least he had tanks viable |
KenKaniff69
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
439
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Posted - 2013.09.19 18:51:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:KenKaniff69 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Have to wonder why it was ever changed. I would ask CCP Blam but you know... can't talk about CCP Blam. Please stay away from vehicle threads unless you have something constructive to say that actually makes sense. I can levie the same complaint against a large number of posters. 95% of the posts on vehicles are not very constructive and the post that where constructive were buried to heck and torn to pieces by tank trolls. I could be a CPM member who was supposed to be a temporary solution to player selected representatives and rather than push for that a democratic system, push CCP to adjust things that have no business being adjusted while there are much larger problems that remain untouched.
Those tank trolls use logic and math to destroy all the made up facts within those "constructive" posts
Do you honestly even play this game or do you just cruise the forums fanning the flames of the problems that this game has. Those who would like to strive for a better Dust 514 experience and balance what we have, even if CCP continues to drag their feet. |
Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
3634
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Posted - 2013.09.19 18:55:00 -
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sixteensixty4 wrote:And buff the shield boosters, just a little And let us remove the passenger turrets Why do people want to do that? The whole point of those is to defend you from the AV players. |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1864
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Posted - 2013.09.19 18:59:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:We need CCP Blam, at least he had tanks viable .... what. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.09.19 22:41:00 -
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KenKaniff69 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:KenKaniff69 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Have to wonder why it was ever changed. I would ask CCP Blam but you know... can't talk about CCP Blam. Please stay away from vehicle threads unless you have something constructive to say that actually makes sense. I can levie the same complaint against a large number of posters. 95% of the posts on vehicles are not very constructive and the post that where constructive were buried to heck and torn to pieces by tank trolls. I could be a CPM member who was supposed to be a temporary solution to player selected representatives and rather than push for that a democratic system, push CCP to adjust things that have no business being adjusted while there are much larger problems that remain untouched. Those tank trolls use logic and math to destroy all the made up facts within those "constructive" posts Do you honestly even play this game or do you just cruise the forums fanning the flames of the problems that this game has. Those who would like to strive for a better Dust 514 experience and balance what we have, even if CCP continues to drag their feet.
Math doesn't account for the chaos on the field, if anything trying to use far too much math means they usually have a disconnect with what crap is happening on the field. While math helps it's ran on the belief of perfection and absolutions, when the field has far too much uncertainty. Which almost disqualifies most people from being an effective tank pilot because you're ignorant of everything and anything that can and will destroy you. They're probably the same sort of idiots who absolutely thinks they needs a prototype tank in order to survive on the field. If they can't survive on the field in a soma or sica what honestly is going to make them think that a far more expensive tank with similar vulnerabilities and kill to death isk cost ratio being similar going to change anything? |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
3615
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Posted - 2013.09.19 22:57:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:They're probably the same sort of idiots who absolutely thinks they needs a prototype tank in order to survive on the field. You. Get in my bed. Now. |
KenKaniff69
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
445
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Posted - 2013.09.20 00:54:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Math doesn't account for the chaos on the field, if anything trying to use far too much math means they usually have a disconnect with what crap is happening on the field. While math helps it's ran on the belief of perfection and absolutions, when the field has far too much uncertainty. Which almost disqualifies most people from being an effective tank pilot because they're ignorant of everything and anything that can and will destroy them.
They're probably the same sort of idiots who absolutely thinks they needs a prototype tank in order to survive on the field. If they can't survive on the field in a soma or sica what honestly is going to make them think that a far more expensive tank with similar vulnerabilities and kill to death isk cost ratio being similar going to change anything?
Why should someone be allowed access to a meta level 9 or higher AV weapon, when the opposition is restricted to meta level 3 or lower equipment of which the hull is only level 1? Justify that. Justify the absurd price differential of tanks vs the AV required to take them out AND the SP AND the skill required on both ends. Why should I only be allowed to fight full proto in my standard suit? Sure my core skills are helping me, but I cant fit the duvolle, 5 shield extenders, 4 plates, and equipment like the proto suit can. I can only what my standard suit can. Even then the opposition is often operating with so many bugs in favor of them (invisible swarms, altered efficiencies, ability to stack damage, constant buffs) it's a wonder why we even survive as long as we do.
I drive the current tanks we have the limit. However, the limit gets lower and lower every patch because of all the people who have no clue pushing CCP. Have you noticed the lack of chaos on the battlefield? How many "real" tanks do you see on the battlefield today? My count is 1 or 2 every three or so games. That is pathetic compared to chromosome when you would see two or three every game. The difference between now and then is they were balanced then. Only a small amount of people had proto AV and the fights involving standard or advanced tanks against the standard and advanced AV were good. You didn't need to be a wizard to survive an entire battle, profiting was do-able, and tanking was actually FUN. |
KenKaniff69
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
445
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Posted - 2013.09.20 01:01:00 -
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CCP Cmdr Wang wrote:
How are you going to give us meaningful feedback before you even try the changes? Or is your brain so awesome that you can look into the future? And while we are on the subject of feedback, guys, a few one liners and a catch word here and there really doesn't help. If you really care about improving the game, then please structure your feedback in a way that will:
1. List specific issues and the circumstance when it happened. We then put these in a weekly report and discuss them with the dev team on ways to address this.
2. Provide insight on why you think this is happening, if you can. Translation, explain as best as you can on how to reproduce the error/bug you encountered.
The patch notes are there to let players know what changes are coming so they can plan their gameplay accordingly, not so that people can theory craft before hand on how things will work before they actually try it.
Stop praising devs like this who played a major part in getting us into the situation we are in today. IWS I'm glad you are an official part of the beta CPM. Time to start making people aware of what the CPM is supposed to be doing. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=64506 |
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Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
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Posted - 2013.09.20 01:42:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:sixteensixty4 wrote:And buff the shield boosters, just a little And let us remove the passenger turrets Why do people want to do that? The whole point of those is to defend you from the AV players. You obviously have never piloted a tank, and seen firsthand what blue dots do when there's a friendly tank right next to them. |
KalOfTheRathi
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
732
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Posted - 2013.09.20 01:53:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:sixteensixty4 wrote:And buff the shield boosters, just a little And let us remove the passenger turrets Why do people want to do that? The whole point of those is to defend you from the AV players. You obviously have never piloted a tank, and seen firsthand what blue dots do when there's a friendly tank right next to them. Much as I enjoy the thread and this response there is still an amazing amount of ignorance regarding how it is to be a tanker.
Blue Belles jump in the vehicle and do nothing. Or they use the blasters to shoot at the MCC until they overheat, rendering them useless for defense of the tank. They constantly give away the position of the tank. With the current removal of information it is even more crucial than it was, but Random Blues will continue to fire at anything and everything.
Others crash into your tank to try and blow it up. Or drive their cheap tank over your expensive one trying to destroy it. Weird, weird people in this game. The number of times Blues have tried to steal my tank is more than the number of times Reds have tried.
Tankers know this because they have lived through it. Those that are not tankers must not have experienced Team Kills by griefers that plague the game.
Give me two Gunners, with mics that know how to not shoot until the main gun fires. When to stop shooting to prevent overheating and then I enjoy having others in my tank. Otherwise, stay out. Squad mates only would be great. |
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