DUST Search - Scout Community Health (Uprising 1.4)

Ghost Kaisar wrote:

Shotty GoBang wrote:

To CCP and respected members of CPM:

In my humble opinion and every-day observation, stabilizing statistics do not equate to balance.
I understand that you are aware that our performance - on average - has been in decline since Chromosome.
We Scouts are very much looking forward to the Dev Hugs coming soon.
We have high hopes that with your help, we may someday compete with the swelling ranks of Proto EZ Mode.

Thank You,
Shotty GoBang

* EZ Mode = Medium-Frame + Duvolle AR + Damage Amps + 3x our HP
^ Dead Scout in under 0.5 seconds (even when you get the drop on 'em, even when you wear plates)

And to silence those idiots who scream that "you don't really die that fast"
He ain't to far off.

Time for a math lesson.

Duvolle AR

37.4 DMG * 15% proficiency/damage amps (assumed) = 43.01 DMG
750 RPM / 60 = 12.5 RPS

DMG * RPS = DPS
43.01 * 12.5 = 537.625 DPS

Most scouts are shield tanks (due to need for speed) so multiply by 10% = 591.3875

Almost 600. Most scouts run suits with less than 300eHP.

1/2 a second isn't a lie.

And to put that in perspective, thats death due to 7 bullets. An AR can kill you 8 times in one Mag.

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Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 1170	Posted - 2013.09.18 01:11:00 - [1] - Quote Wonderin' how we Scouts are doing so far in 1.4? Wonder No More! New Charts! http://imageshack.com/a/img823/4645/40sd.png ^ Current Scout Community KDR Distribution http://imageshack.com/a/img38/7204/y7j.png ^ 1.4 Performance Trends (Non-Snipers) http://imageshack.com/a/img32/3144/6n6k.png ^ 1.4 Performance Trends (Snipers) You see flatlines? I see improvement! In every other 15-day period since Uprising 1.2, the Scout Community has observed declining metrics. Considering where we've come from, this newly found stability can only be good. Either that, or we've finally hit proverbial rock bottom. I like my version better. Hooray for Scouts! Shotty GoBang * Brought to you in part by the Scout Registry: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=985928#post985928 New Eden's one-stop shop for all things sharp and stealthy. And free haircuts!
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1844	Posted - 2013.09.18 01:14:00 - [2] - Quote Sorry I screwed up the trends by using a lot of experimental fittings. I promise I will be a Condor more often and boost my KDR
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 2976	Posted - 2013.09.18 01:18:00 - [3] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Wonderin' how we Scouts are doing so far in 1.4? Wonder No More! New Charts! http://imageshack.com/a/img823/4645/40sd.png ^ Current Scout Community KDR Distribution http://imageshack.com/a/img38/7204/y7j.png ^ 1.4 Performance Trends (Non-Snipers) http://imageshack.com/a/img32/3144/6n6k.png ^ 1.4 Performance Trends (Snipers) You see flatlines? I see improvement! In every other 15-day period since Uprising 1.2, the Scout Community has observed declining metrics. Considering where we've come from, this newly found stability can only be good. Either that, or we've finally hit proverbial rock bottom. I like my version better. Hooray for Scouts! - Shotty GoBang Interesting. I'm curious to see individual load outs though, would you be interested in working with Arkena Wyrnspire and myself for more defined and specified data graphs? ________________________________________________________________________________________________ 3rd Place Winner of the Eight Thousand Suns
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 1171	Posted - 2013.09.18 01:23:00 - [4] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Interesting. I'm curious to see individual load outs though, would you be interested in working with Arkena Wyrnspire and myself for more defined and specified data graphs? Hiya Aeon! Our loadouts change faster than a Forge Gun can smash a Dropship. It'll be nasty difficult to track and pull metrics by gear, short of landing support by CCP. The best I can do is tell you who's a Scout Sniper and who isn't. I'm running AR now, by the way. Never felt so skilled in my FPS-overdosed life. :p - Shotty
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 2977	Posted - 2013.09.18 01:28:00 - [5] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Interesting. I'm curious to see individual load outs though, would you be interested in working with Arkena Wyrnspire and myself for more defined and specified data graphs? Hiya Aeon! Our loadouts change faster than a Forge Gun can smash a Dropship. It'll be nasty difficult to track and pull metrics by gear, short of landing support by CCP. The best I can do is tell you who's a Scout Sniper and who isn't. I'm running AR now, by the way. Never felt so skilled in my FPS-overdosed life. :p - Shotty Shouldn't be hard to narrow down who's shield tanking and armor tanking.
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 457	Posted - 2013.09.18 02:28:00 - [6] - Quote Excellent work as usual, Shotty, thanks for your time in compiling these metrics for the community. I think we are getting better at adapting to the various Uprising builds.... I somehow don't think Scouts have hit rock bottom yet, we are a resilient bunch.
pseudosnipre DUST University Ivy League 248	Posted - 2013.09.18 02:34:00 - [7] - Quote 10-20k line on non-sniper chart is MIA.
pseudosnipre DUST University Ivy League 248	Posted - 2013.09.18 02:35:00 - [8] - Quote Also thinking found brothers should wait til next update each go-round to preserve data fidelity.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 1173	Posted - 2013.09.18 03:22:00 - [9] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: Also thinking found brothers should wait til next update each go-round to preserve data fidelity. I was thinking exactly the same thing today. I generally don't include those who arrive mid-build for that exact reason. Also, ran our snipers at <10k and >10k (given the small sample size).
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 1173	Posted - 2013.09.18 03:45:00 - [10] - Quote To CCP and respected members of CPM: Stabilizing statistics do not equate to balance, in my humble opinion. There is no way to adapt if Duvolle ARs drop us in under 1/2 second (from 0 to 75+ meters). We Scouts are very much looking forward to Dev Hugs, with high hopes that we may soon become viable in PC. Thank You, Shotty GoBang

Ghost Kaisar Pradox One 264	Posted - 2013.09.18 06:10:00 - [11] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: To CCP and respected members of CPM: In my humble opinion and every-day observation, stabilizing statistics do not equate to balance. I understand that you are aware that our performance - on average - has been in decline since Chromosome. We Scouts are very much looking forward to the Dev Hugs coming soon. We have high hopes that with your help, we may someday compete with the swelling ranks of Proto EZ Mode. Thank You, Shotty GoBang * EZ Mode = Medium-Frame + Duvolle AR + Damage Amps + 3x our HP ^ Dead Scout in under 0.5 seconds (even when you get the drop on 'em, even when you wear plates) And to silence those idiots who scream that "you don't really die that fast" He ain't to far off. Time for a math lesson. Duvolle AR 37.4 DMG * 15% proficiency/damage amps (assumed) = 43.01 DMG 750 RPM / 60 = 12.5 RPS DMG * RPS = DPS 43.01 * 12.5 = 537.625 DPS Most scouts are shield tanks (due to need for speed) so multiply by 10% = 591.3875 Almost 600. Most scouts run suits with less than 300eHP. 1/2 a second isn't a lie. And to put that in perspective, thats death due to 7 bullets. An AR can kill you 8 times in one Mag.
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 275	Posted - 2013.09.18 06:20:00 - [12] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Shotty GoBang wrote: To CCP and respected members of CPM: In my humble opinion and every-day observation, stabilizing statistics do not equate to balance. I understand that you are aware that our performance - on average - has been in decline since Chromosome. We Scouts are very much looking forward to the Dev Hugs coming soon. We have high hopes that with your help, we may someday compete with the swelling ranks of Proto EZ Mode. Thank You, Shotty GoBang * EZ Mode = Medium-Frame + Duvolle AR + Damage Amps + 3x our HP ^ Dead Scout in under 0.5 seconds (even when you get the drop on 'em, even when you wear plates) And to silence those idiots who scream that "you don't really die that fast" He ain't to far off. Time for a math lesson. Duvolle AR 37.4 DMG * 15% proficiency/damage amps (assumed) = 43.01 DMG 750 RPM / 60 = 12.5 RPS DMG * RPS = DPS 43.01 * 12.5 = 537.625 DPS Most scouts are shield tanks (due to need for speed) so multiply by 10% = 591.3875 Almost 600. Most scouts run suits with less than 300eHP. 1/2 a second isn't a lie. And to put that in perspective, thats death due to 7 bullets. An AR can kill you 8 times in one Mag. I run a total of 246 hp and even militia AR's are killing me so fast I die before my hp is depleted
IAmDuncanIdaho II The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 59	Posted - 2013.09.18 09:29:00 - [13] - Quote damn Shotty nice stuff. I commend you again on your dedication, and everyone else who contributes.
ALPHA DECRIPTER M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces 463	Posted - 2013.09.18 09:50:00 - [14] - Quote I'm getting closer and closer to my proto suit. And when I get it I'M TOTALLY....NOT, going to use it heheh. Gonna wait till we get some first aid b4 wasting more ISK pointlessly. To all you blue bloods out there I salute you...with my thumb. `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST.
IAmDuncanIdaho II The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 60	Posted - 2013.09.18 09:52:00 - [15] - Quote ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote: I'm getting closer and closer to my proto suit. And when I get it I'M TOTALLY....NOT, going to use it heheh. Gonna wait till we get some first aid b4 wasting more ISK pointlessly. To all you blue bloods out there I salute you...with my thumb. `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST. hehe yeah I'm in it for the racial bonuses more than being able to proto
ALPHA DECRIPTER M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces 463	Posted - 2013.09.18 10:07:00 - [16] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote: I'm getting closer and closer to my proto suit. And when I get it I'M TOTALLY....NOT, going to use it heheh. Gonna wait till we get some first aid b4 wasting more ISK pointlessly. To all you blue bloods out there I salute you...with my thumb. `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST. hehe yeah I'm in it for the racial bonuses more than being able to proto My hack speed is gonna be +75% at proto and I'm actually anxious to do some ninja hacking lol. Problem is that I will be dying while trying to get there and probably will die AFTER the hack and don't wanna waste that many full proto suites. Not gonna lie... I would have had fun b4 each of my deaths lol. `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST.
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 459	Posted - 2013.09.18 11:19:00 - [17] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote: I'm getting closer and closer to my proto suit. And when I get it I'M TOTALLY....NOT, going to use it heheh. Gonna wait till we get some first aid b4 wasting more ISK pointlessly. To all you blue bloods out there I salute you...with my thumb. hehe yeah I'm in it for the racial bonuses more than being able to proto Same. Had my blue suit for over a month. Times used in match: 0 All about the bonuses!
ALPHA DECRIPTER M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces 463	Posted - 2013.09.18 11:21:00 - [18] - Quote Matticus Monk wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote: I'm getting closer and closer to my proto suit. And when I get it I'M TOTALLY....NOT, going to use it heheh. Gonna wait till we get some first aid b4 wasting more ISK pointlessly. To all you blue bloods out there I salute you...with my thumb. hehe yeah I'm in it for the racial bonuses more than being able to proto Same. Had my blue suit for over a month. Times used in match: 0 All about the bonuses! After reading your comment the song "All about the Benjamin's" played in my head lol. `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST.
Nestil Seraphim Auxiliaries 57	Posted - 2013.09.18 12:46:00 - [19] - Quote my Kdr is droping since the 1.4... its only slightly but noticable. AR's are a big problem this built. i didnt had a good cqc fight...90% of the time i have to play on open maps where my sg sucks and even when i manage to sneak upon some guys from behind my sg fails (blue shield 0 dmg) or i manage to kill one of them and the other sprays me to death in 0,5 secs...then i thought "**** it" and used a std AR @ lvl 1 and guess what...i never died, shreded through protos and felt like a god, even in my wimpy lese than 200 ehp suit...then i felt dirty and switched back to my sg.
Mac Dac Wraith Shadow Guards 192	Posted - 2013.09.18 13:10:00 - [20] - Quote ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote: Matticus Monk wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote: I'm getting closer and closer to my proto suit. And when I get it I'M TOTALLY....NOT, going to use it heheh. Gonna wait till we get some first aid b4 wasting more ISK pointlessly. To all you blue bloods out there I salute you...with my thumb. hehe yeah I'm in it for the racial bonuses more than being able to proto Same. Had my blue suit for over a month. Times used in match: 0 All about the bonuses! After reading your comment the song "All about the Benjamin's" played in my head lol. `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST. after i read the comment i just thoght "man you scouts have to pay more for the worse suit in game, CCP hates you"

Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 1192	Posted - 2013.09.18 13:47:00 - [21] - Quote Mac Dac wrote: CCP hates you So it would seem at times, though I suspect priorities and limited time are more to blame. In retrospect, Scout Suits could've been reduced in price following 1.2. The same for Heavy Suits following 1.4. I see only benefit in adding to the "hotfix" list temporary price concessions for things inadvertently broken. Such damage control measures would do much to garner Community confidence.
Jak'Saan 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 60	Posted - 2013.09.18 14:46:00 - [22] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: PS: I'm running AR now, by the way. Never felt so skilled in my FPS-overdosed life. :p Every time I see a worthy scout with an AR, I die a little inside. At that point you may as well leave the scout behind and go full assault. Like putting ketchup or cheese whiz on your fillet mignon.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 1197	Posted - 2013.09.19 15:56:00 - [23] - Quote Forgot to include an important chart: http://imageshack.com/a/img19/4097/h5ch.png ^ 1.2 - 1.4 Performance Trends (83) This longer-run analysis of Scout Performance includes 83 mercs tracked by the Scout Registry between July 1st and September 17th. Kindly keep in mind that this performance run does not include Scouts who left the Scout Suit or joined the Registry after July 1st. Registrants include (alphabetized by category): Scout Snipers (3) Decasor (Tier II) Keeriam Miray (Tier V) Tyjus Vacca (Tier V) Tier VI Scouts ( > 40,000 Kills) DJINN Marauder Radar R4D-47 Tier V Scouts (20,000 - 40,000 Kills) Chilled Pill DoubleTap420 DTOracle Icedslayer Lightning xVx mr musturd Obi Wan-Jacobi Rich o Shotty GoBang Sinboto Simmons Spec Ops Cipher Tier IV Scouts (10,000 - 20,000 Kills) Acezero 44 Appia Vibbia Aythadis Smith BeefBones Blunt Puffing First Prophet Grave Oblivion GRIM GEAR InsidiousN KIT-KATS Pizza-Rolls Lightning Bolt2 Mechoj Nomreps Outlaw Zer0 Travi Zyg Tier III Scouts (5,000 - 10,000 Kills) Bojo the Mighty CeoPyrex CloneA Daxxis KANNAH Denak Kalamari Django Quik Doyle Reese Driftward Elessar Gaudet Ellithana Mori Eriknaught Face Mcdudeson f-ANT-astic-1 Ghost Kaisar Inazuma Ite Raijin ir Delirious Jugger Nuttz kanders loumanchew Michael Cratar mollerz Niuvo OZAROW Pseudogenesis Rogue Saint snazzbear WhyCantIDie Tier II Scouts (2,500 - 5,000 Kills) BARDAS Hagintora HyperionsThunder Ludvig Enraga Maken Tosch Makuta Miserix Matticus Monk Oso Peresoso Revelations 514 Smoky The Bear Snaps Tremor Sollemnis Aelinos Spademan True Adamance Tier I Scouts ( < 2,500 Kills) Bashir Zek Crash Monster Draxus Prime Edvvin Simon Jean Mclain Lilah Silverstone Makyre Vahliha NoxiousMentos Onesimus Tarsus Relyt R Ro Dusakk Surt gods end vIO8


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