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Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
730
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Posted - 2013.09.15 23:15:00 -
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So, some starter information. When I'm dinking around in pubs, I sometimes use the following fit:
COMMANDON'T:
'Skinweave' Militia Amarr Heavy Frame BPO
'Exile' Assault Rifle BPO
'Toxin' ICD-9 Submachine Gun BPO
Militia Locus Grenade BPO
Militia Shield Extender BPO
Militia Armor Repairer BPO
910 total hitpoints, 0 isk.
I got to thinking, if I can have fun with this, maybe Commando doesn't blow after all? So I started messing with some fits in the DUST514 Fitting Tool to see if I could do anything interesting.
Commando A-1 is completely flipping useless. Commando A/1-Series I can begin to fit stuff, but it has the same number of module slots as the Skinweave Amarr suit.
Best I came up with was Commando ak.0 with Exile AR, Charge Sniper Rifle, Complex Light Damage Mod, Complex Shield Extender, Complex Armor plates, and K17/D Nanohive...
...but that's 162k ISK for less HP than my Skinweave free fit, and only marginally more utility on the field. Is anyone having success with this suit? Anyone?
The only thing I can think that would redeem it in my eyes, is for it to have the hi/low slot layout of the Basic Amarr Heavy suits. |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
1072
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Posted - 2013.09.15 23:19:00 -
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Commandos suck.I use Sniper + Swarm launcher and play as long ranged suppressor.... >..> |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1445
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Posted - 2013.09.15 23:19:00 -
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I have a nice fit for my commando because i invested lots of SP in Core Skills. But.. still sucks, it just have all the worst qualities of each Dropsuit, instead of a "little" benefit from each of them |
Zero Notion
Red Star Jr.
EoN.
242
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Posted - 2013.09.15 23:21:00 -
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I played with an advanced commando suit last night - I did fairly well with Laser/MD combination. The alt is lacking some core skills and skills in general but with using structures and terrain to my advantage, it was a lot of fun. So much fire power. It's ridiculous. |
Icy Tiger
Red Star.
EoN.
1427
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Posted - 2013.09.15 23:26:00 -
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Need a major boost. I'm be down for more PG/CPU, and making it look better. If it looked better, I'd use it. |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
1072
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Posted - 2013.09.15 23:36:00 -
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I posted this on Commando related Buffs:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1183164#post1183164
You might say the commando is this and that. But i have a Amarr Assault Proto with 980 EHP that 2 shots any commando with my imperial scrambler rifle.Its just sad.
The commando doesnt have anything going for it except Melee damage.
LOW shield regen p/s (10? SRSLY)
Low EHP compared to the speed loss
Decent stamina but nothing to brag about
Sucky profile damp and scan
Very poor CPU/PG output
Very poor amount of slots, 3 at proto level is just laughable,specially considering the 90k+ price.
Big hitbox,red,slow make it an easy target.
I could go on, but i wont.
Just heck my post up there and let me know what you think. Chuz , commandos.... |
Thor McStrut
Reckoners
189
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Posted - 2013.09.15 23:55:00 -
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My adv. fit is
Enh light damage
Enh shield ext
GK burst
EXO MD
K2 nano
Enh armor plate
It's not whether or not I suck, but what I can do with my fit. Of all things, it's the lack of grenades that kills me the most.
I just switched to the burst ar, I'm loving it. Can't wait for the combat rifle.
My fit costs me 222k to replace though. I find myself going back to my Gal. assault though due to flux grenades. So needed.
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DeadlyAztec11
Chatelain Rapid Response
Gallente Federation
2142
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Posted - 2013.09.16 00:04:00 -
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Sniper + AR
Boom
OP Commando Suit |
Blind Nojoy
G I A N T
EoN.
51
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Posted - 2013.09.16 00:04:00 -
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We have done a little testing in corp with them. Definitely need more than a little love. Only the proto version is viable and it's damn expensive.
I run mine with swarms and a duvolle, if you are going to run as a single, the best success I've had is as a tank escort. Ride around in a tank, is someone tries to hit it with nades or swarms, run out and pop him with your duvolle. If you encounter another tank, hop out and swarm his ass while your buddy in the tanks shoots him too.. In your equipment slot run a triage tool to fix the tank.
I have fun when running this fit honestly, it's fun when I have my swarms out and a red berry runs right up to me thinking easy kill, switch over to duvolle, and pop.
I really hope they buff the suit to make it more useful. It needs a faster base speed, and either additional module slots or a buff in HP and armor. |
Slag Emberforge
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.09.16 00:07:00 -
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I really think being able to slot two light weapons should be a standard option for heavies, that said despite the huge lack of nbers commando can be useful.
Note I said useful not powerful, I use MD/LR and drop uplinks/repair/nano and it works pretty well, where it lacks in sheer power it does have great versatility so you can really tailor your weapon choice with your surroundings on the fly. Just be the ambusher or under cover otherwise you drop like a stone. |
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Cpl Foster USMC
The Minmatar Heavy Association
197
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Posted - 2013.09.16 00:13:00 -
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two mass drivers and a nanohive |
Delta Iddon
No Free Pass
120
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Posted - 2013.09.16 00:19:00 -
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2x assault scrambler pistols, max commando skill and reload skill, 40% reduction in reload time it fairly insane |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1446
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Posted - 2013.09.16 00:43:00 -
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Delta Iddon wrote:2x assault scrambler pistols, max commando skill and reload skill, 40% reduction in reload time it fairly insane
The reload skill is only for the Light Weapons, not Sidearms.
Reading all this comments, i wonder how many people is TRULY using the Commando suit. Like for example ;
Sniper + AR OP Commando Suit ? REALLY ?  |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1446
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Posted - 2013.09.16 00:52:00 -
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For all of you that "Genuinely" want to experiment with the Commando ;
Anti-Vehicle;
Plasma Cannon + Swarm Launcher
Mass Driver + Plasma Cannon
Assault ;
Assault Rifle + Mass Driver
Assault Rifle + Plasma Cannon
Sniper ;
NONE, forget it, other suits are better. |
Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
732
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Posted - 2013.09.16 01:50:00 -
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Delta Iddon wrote:2x assault scrambler pistols, max commando skill and reload skill, 40% reduction in reload time it fairly insane
You're trolling, right? You couple put two scrambler pistols on a Militia Amarr Heavy suit, save a 100k isk or so, and still have more total hitpoints. |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
734
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Posted - 2013.09.16 01:58:00 -
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I've been daydreaming about a Commando using an AR primary and a shotgun as a sidearm (for those jumpy little scouts)
Sounds good in theory... |
RedZer0 MK1
Opus Arcana
40
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Posted - 2013.09.16 01:58:00 -
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I can't believe the tier one doesn't have either high nor low slot. Amarr bonus is useless atm. |
Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
732
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Posted - 2013.09.16 02:00:00 -
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RedZer0 MK1 wrote:I can't believe the tier one doesn't have either high nor low slot. Amarr bonus is useless atm.
Really, I think that's what it would need to fix it.
Tier 1: one high, one low.
Tier 2: two high, one low.
Tier 3: Two high, two low.
With CPU/PG adjustments to go with it. I honestly can't see that being overpowered in any way whatsoever. It'd just make it...usable. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1447
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Posted - 2013.09.16 08:24:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:I've been daydreaming about a Commando using an AR primary and a shotgun as a sidearm (for those jumpy little scouts)
Sounds good in theory...
Doesn't work, i tried every single combination, the Commando suit sucks at CQC, in fact it sucks at long range too. The Commando suit have only one optimal range ; Mid-Range and Hiding everywhere. |
Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
733
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Posted - 2013.09.16 08:29:00 -
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Maybe you should focus on armor or shield tanking. |
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Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
858
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Posted - 2013.09.16 08:30:00 -
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anyone try it with the laser rifle scrambler rifle combo yet?
it just begs to have a full amarr loadout and those two weapons cover each others weaknesses quite well. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1447
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Posted - 2013.09.16 08:34:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:anyone try it with the laser rifle scrambler rifle combo yet?
it just begs to have a full amarr loadout and those two weapons cover each others weaknesses quite well.
No point on having two rifles, you'll end up only using one of them anyway. Which is why the Commando is very restricted with effective fits. I'm already posted early the 4 more effective fits ;
Anti-Vehicle;
Plasma Cannon + Swarm Launcher
or
Mass Driver + Plasma Cannon
Assault ;
Assault Rifle + Mass Driver
or
Assault Rifle + Plasma Cannon |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1756
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Posted - 2013.09.16 08:57:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Delta Iddon wrote:2x assault scrambler pistols, max commando skill and reload skill, 40% reduction in reload time it fairly insane The reload skill is only for the Light Weapons, not Sidearms. Check again, it's for both.
Chances Ghost wrote:anyone try it with the laser rifle scrambler rifle combo yet?
it just begs to have a full amarr loadout and those two weapons cover each others weaknesses quite well. I do with the assault scrambler rifle and basic laser rifle. Works well taking out long range targets with the laser and short range with the scrambler. Still nothing to write home about considering all the downsides of the Commando.
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
Cult of War
193
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Posted - 2013.09.16 09:05:00 -
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Swarm launcher and your weapon of choice would be a good way to use commando. Makes for a good AV role with the oh crap feeling whenever you see some infantry come your way and you have to fend them off with a sidearm, which does not work out to well most of the time. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1447
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Posted - 2013.09.16 09:06:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Delta Iddon wrote:2x assault scrambler pistols, max commando skill and reload skill, 40% reduction in reload time it fairly insane The reload skill is only for the Light Weapons, not Sidearms. Check again, it's for both. Chances Ghost wrote:anyone try it with the laser rifle scrambler rifle combo yet?
it just begs to have a full amarr loadout and those two weapons cover each others weaknesses quite well. I do with the assault scrambler rifle and basic laser rifle. Works well taking out long range targets with the laser and short range with the scrambler. Still nothing to write home about considering all the downsides of the Commando.
I was talking about the Commando Suit Bonus; +5% to reload speed of "Light Weapons". |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1756
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Posted - 2013.09.16 09:07:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Delta Iddon wrote:2x assault scrambler pistols, max commando skill and reload skill, 40% reduction in reload time it fairly insane The reload skill is only for the Light Weapons, not Sidearms. Check again, it's for both. Chances Ghost wrote:anyone try it with the laser rifle scrambler rifle combo yet?
it just begs to have a full amarr loadout and those two weapons cover each others weaknesses quite well. I do with the assault scrambler rifle and basic laser rifle. Works well taking out long range targets with the laser and short range with the scrambler. Still nothing to write home about considering all the downsides of the Commando. I was talking about the Commando Suit Bonus; +5% to reload speed of "Light Weapons". And again, I tell you to check again. The Commando Suit Bonus is +5% to reload speed of Light weapons/sidearms per level.
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I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
934
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Posted - 2013.09.16 09:09:00 -
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Assault Scrambler
Mass Driver
Nanohive
Run in smash their shields switch to mass driver smash their armor.
Have fun :D |
Shadow Archeus
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
129
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Posted - 2013.09.16 11:48:00 -
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Sniper swarm combo is good.......just ask your local logi for a nnano |
Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
733
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Posted - 2013.09.16 13:28:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:And again, I tell you to check again. The Commando Suit Bonus is +5% to reload speed of Light weapons/sidearms per level.
Still, why pay 94k for a suit when you can spend 28k on an Amarr Heavy A/1-Series that can field two pistols with far more hitpoints?
Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Maybe you should focus on armor or shield tanking.
Focus on armor tanking with one low slot?
Focus on shield tanking with two high slots only at proto level?
You need to dual tank with proto modules just to get the survivability of a militia heavy.  |
Cosgar
ParagonX
5295
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Posted - 2013.09.16 13:34:00 -
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I've seen some people put in work with a ScR and MD combo, but obviously not to the standards of what access to two light weapons should offer. I think they got it right the first time with the Black Eagle suits. Commandoes should have been a scout role. |
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