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ratamaq doc 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 55	Posted - 2013.09.15 06:36:00 - [1] - Quote I started out making this video to show the difference between Dust and an FPS with much higher rotation speed. In making it I noticed a few other things. I know this conversation has come up many times before, I've started my own threads about it. The conversation never gets far, and never have a heard a good reason for the rotation to be capped so low. Granted, it is much higher now than it was in Chrome, and I am happy for that. I'd still like to see it higher. After a year of playing this game, I hope you guys can get over the fact that I was a CoD player before this. Please take a look at my argument. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soof7LzjDmA&feature=youtu.be Oh and apologies for anyone who saw me in game while making this "WTF is this scrub doing spinning in circles". it was for science. ./rat
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1070	Posted - 2013.09.15 06:52:00 - [2] - Quote The strafing speeds and the turn around speeds does need an adjustment. It isn't smooth enough. Because of this, I know I have to compensate. For instance, when you showed the hiding behind the crates and move part. I have to move behind the crates and then step forward a bit so that if the enemy is chasing me, the space (cover) of the crate still provides me some odd seconds to give me enough time to turn for the oncoming red. If I were to come around the crate and instantly try to turn around to fire, my slow turn speed will allow the red to lay me down with ease because my character is not turning quickly enough.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1596	Posted - 2013.09.15 07:25:00 - [3] - Quote so they broke the strafing when they made it faster, yup i agree.
ratamaq doc 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 56	Posted - 2013.09.15 07:43:00 - [4] - Quote ladwar wrote: so they broke the strafing when they made it faster, yup i agree. I don't think is as much speed as it is smoothness. Even at it's slowest speed you have this exaggerated Up and Down motion that is hard to compensate for. I feel bad, because you can tell by watching the animation on the iron sight AR that it was intentional and someone probably work hard on it. Here I am naming it as possibly one of the reasons this game gets bad ratings for mechanics. I don't think strafe speed needs to come down, I think ADS strafe speed needs to come down and smooth out.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1596	Posted - 2013.09.15 08:04:00 - [5] - Quote this may be of topic slightly be i noticed that besides the HMG none of the weapons have any recoil. the TAR used to have but its RoF is lower then its recovery rate. when you dump 30 rounds of an AR it barely has lifted then it jumps like you couldn't control it after that 30 rounds. same thing with Scr. the SMG bare lifts at all even after unloading the whole clip. can we get recoil closer to this http://youtu.be/JpzcHkM6RLA?t=4m40s
Csikszent Mihalyi DUST University Ivy League 189	Posted - 2013.09.15 15:45:00 - [6] - Quote Great video. Even as a mouse user I can tell that the stick controls need help, and I hope this will get some attention.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD 904	Posted - 2013.09.15 17:49:00 - [7] - Quote +1. Sweet data, the nemesis of opinionated kittenshit! Now we can have a real conversation. Thanks for the work, OP. It can be hard for a developer to tweak their code to the next level where the game goes from being functional but clunky(DUST atm) to having that kinesthetic goodness that is crack-like in its addictive properties. The interaction of strafe with aiming is definitely one of the thing DUST needs to work on.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 661	Posted - 2013.09.15 18:13:00 - [8] - Quote Mybe a missed a point of the video, but there's really a big deadzone on the right analog stick. If you move your stick just a little bit your character won't move. Anyway, yes, aiming and strafing "feels" much better on other games. I can tell that battlefield controls are way better.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2517	Posted - 2013.09.15 19:00:00 - [9] - Quote Prepare for the deluge of people defending this as making the game more tactical.
ratamaq doc 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 59	Posted - 2013.09.15 19:04:00 - [10] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Mybe a missed a point of the video, but there's really a big deadzone on the right analog stick. If you move your stick just a little bit your character won't move. Anyway, yes, aiming and strafing "feels" much better on other games. I can tell that battlefield controls are way better. That is probably playing into it. It's hard to put into words what DS3 users are doing when making minor adjustments to both left and right stck while aiming. If my dot is a hair off target, I don't just move my right stick alone to compensate, I use both together. It's the primary advantage we have over keyboards. While the mouse is clearly superior to the right stick, being able to fine tune your point of origin across the x axis is way better than the a keyboards WASD. I first noticed it with sniping. In other FPS that have a breath holding feature to stabilize you sway, you can adjust in that manner, dust, if you move your left stick at all, it resets your sway time.

Jake Diesel BIG BAD W0LVES 20	Posted - 2013.09.15 19:06:00 - [11] - Quote One of the biggest draw to the CoD fanbase is its fantastic aiming controls. And they're not even lb/m but all DS3. Though I hate CoD. I love their aiming controls the best. BF3 and Killzone are second.
RejectedUsername The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 37	Posted - 2013.09.15 19:15:00 - [12] - Quote ratamaq doc wrote: I started out making this video to show the difference between Dust and an FPS with much higher rotation speed. In making it I noticed a few other things. I know this conversation has come up many times before, I've started my own threads about it. The conversation never gets far, and never have a heard a good reason for the rotation to be capped so low. Granted, it is much higher now than it was in Chrome, and I am happy for that. I'd still like to see it higher. After a year of playing this game, I hope you guys can get over the fact that I was a CoD player before this. Please take a look at my argument. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soof7LzjDmA&feature=youtu.be Oh and apologies for anyone who saw me in game while making this "WTF is this scrub doing spinning in circles". it was for science. ./rat Very nice video discussing something that I had a problem with but was too lazy to make a video of. Props to you
ratamaq doc 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 60	Posted - 2013.09.15 19:19:00 - [13] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Prepare for the deluge of people defending this as making the game more tactical. Content, fittings, trained skills, maps, and teamwork is what should make this game tactical, not intentional restrictions on input devices. It seems like CCP is doing things to "balance" both DS3 and KB/M users together, where the end result is causing both parties to feel like they are playing an unpolished game compared to other FPSes. I don't want to see restrictions on either. I would trade aim assist for the ability to fine tune my DS3 input any day. Maybe that's the answer? Gimp the movement when AA is on, and if off, let me adjust all my input speed variables.
Kain Spero TeamPlayers EoN. 2026	Posted - 2013.09.15 20:53:00 - [14] - Quote A really great video with some excellent feedback.
VEXation Gunn Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 335	Posted - 2013.09.15 22:50:00 - [15] - Quote This is winning and a very good explaination of why dust is bad This is also why there is no hope for dust because devs don't have a clue. /me waits for wolfman to deny changes to strafe speed for 2 months before nerfing it.
Telcontar Dunedain Imperfects Negative-Feedback 544	Posted - 2013.09.15 23:46:00 - [16] - Quote Very well done video and post. I think you under emphasize how important the walk animation + ads is. It's really really troubling how instead of actually looking at basics like this, CCP implemented what I consider to be an aimbot in game.
ratamaq doc 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 62	Posted - 2013.09.15 23:59:00 - [17] - Quote Telcontar Dunedain wrote: Very well done video and post. I think you under emphasize how important the walk animation + ads is. It's really really troubling how instead of actually looking at basics like this, CCP implemented what I consider to be an aimbot in game. edit - As you say ratamaq doc wrote: ... I would trade aim assist for the ability to fine tune my DS3 input any day. Yea I realized how different the ADS strafing was only after I started making this video. My original intention was to show the difficulty slow rotation speed brings to checking your surroundings. It feels like you're trying to play while wearing a neck brace. We are talking about two different issues. The walk animation is what really hurts fine tuning and maintaining your aim with a DS3. Over doing Aim Assist compensates, but I would rather be allowed to do it myself. I want to play with it a little more and maybe do a follow up video. I think it is a combination of the ADS strafe animation and the dead zone with the right stick that helps cause the jumpy ness of your front site/dot.
2-Ton Twenty-One Ancient Exiles 967	Posted - 2013.09.16 00:42:00 - [18] - Quote +1 for dust still having the worst aiming in history.
ratamaq doc 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 62	Posted - 2013.09.16 15:30:00 - [19] - Quote So I did some more testing yesterday and must correct myself on what I thought one of the key problems is. The bouncing animation experienced while ADS Strafing does not affect the placement of the dot. If you ADS while staffing and watch closely, the weapon appears to bob, but the dot stays level. Th difficulty keeping the dot where you want it comes from what I can only describe as a sensitivity mismatch between speed levels when trying to uses both strafing and aiming together. It's most noticeable when strafing in one direction and shifting aiming directions from the same direction to opposite direction. Right stick dead zone hurts this also. I captured more video showing this, but I haven't had the chance to compile it into a video yet. I will later this afternoon. Thanks for the feedback both positive and constructive so far. I hope we can continue to work together to polish these little things to make it better for everyone.
ratamaq doc 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 69	Posted - 2013.09.17 04:12:00 - [20] - Quote I posted a follow up video in the feedback thread. Thread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1307931#post1307931 Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WuKB5lyMVg&feature=youtu.be



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