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Long Evity
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
202
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Posted - 2013.09.15 22:23:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Long Evity wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Long Evity wrote:And FEC was using melee glitch to win PC battles. Yup - that sure shows 'improvement.' And I'm sure you know what overgeneralization means. Cool, a Non Sequitur. Good job, I guess? Want to explain? lol - oh right. You can't. FEC didn't improve - theirs no way they could of won a war with how much ISK they lost compared to gain vs how much EoN lost compared to gained. Saying "It ended because 1 corp locked up." Is the most butt hurt excuse I've heard about a war ending. And if you want to continue to say TP = EoN then AE = FEC and that makes you all melee glitchers. Isn't overgeneralization wonderful? If TP didn't represent about 1/3 of EON's total holdings then it would be an over-generalization. I'm not aware of anyone in FEC having any sort of financial difficulties at all. I can't speak for the other corps directly, but it's not like anyone in FEC was clamoring for an end to the war for financial reasons. I have no bone in this fight, aside from the fact that PC is a broken piece of **** game mode. I was only involved in one fight in the war, and I was dragged into that fight last minute with little to no interest in it's result. I don't care about the FEC vs EON drama. I don't care who's better. I don't care if Subdreddit "sucks" or the FEC "sucks" or EON "sucks" or whatever other nonsense. I personally suck. I don't care. The game isn't really good enough yet to worry about how good anyone is at playing it. Anyway... my position did, however, give me a direct line to a lot of the politicking and decision making processes that occurred within the FEC. People want to know the aftermath? They want to know FEC's internal reasoning for quitting? I'm trying to help give it. I'm not FEC. My corp was, but I'm not. I don't give a **** about FEC. I never really gave a **** about FEC besides a mild interest in the experiment of it. The reality is that the leadership of the FEC pretty clearly believed that EON was locking up more districts as the FEC grew and improved. The reality is that FEC was improving. Their communication was improving, their team play was improving, their planning was improving. It looked like slow going, but it was going none-the-less. There was forward momentum and progress that looked like it was not going to stop... until districts started locking. When people started taking a closer look at the math of district locking, when it became clear that: A. Districts can be locked indefinitely and still make a profit B. EON was in clear endorsement of their corporations locking massive amounts of districts (don't hit me with more plausible deniability again, that argument is clearly nonsense) C. More districts were being locked each day. This is when morale plummeted, as everyone realized that there was no functional way to win the war. Regardless of their efforts, it was clear that EON was both capable and willing to lock any districts they wanted indefinitely, and continue to make ISK in the process. Remember, most of these people initially had little to no interest whatsoever in PC. It was a completely dead game mode in the time leading up to the war (less than 1% of the total population was participating in it... which is the case again now that the "war" is over). Over the course of a few days the math of the exploit spread like wildfire through the in-game and IRC channels for the war. Was this the only reason why the war ended? No, I'm sure it isn't. There are always other circumstances involved with this sort of thing. Is EON better at PC than most of the corps that were in the FEC? Yeah, absolutely. That doesn't mean there wasn't improvement happening. Most of the people in FEC hadn't played more than a match or two of PC, ever. You really don't think that playing the "vets" of the game mode (ie: EON) isn't going to lead to rather rapid improvement? Come on now. Drop the silly politics and face saving nonsense for just a few minutes. FFS. I see. I lost connection with FEC when they found out I started selling myself to EoN. I'm sure they did indeed improve. And sorry if I was rude to you, I've heard you loud and clear and respect your side of the story and thank you for conveying it. Sometimes I get lost in the "Someone must win" routine and forget sometimes others are just sharing opinions. |
DJINN Rampage
Ancient Exiles
109
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Posted - 2013.09.15 22:24:00 -
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Long Evity wrote: Why are you speaking for AE? You've been in it for a week.
im not speaking for anyone except DJINN Rampage.
the real question is why are you speaking for teamplayers when your just a scrub they let in for the lulz |
Long Evity
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
202
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Posted - 2013.09.15 22:27:00 -
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DJINN Rampage wrote:Long Evity wrote: Why are you speaking for AE? You've been in it for a week.
im not speaking for anyone except DJINN Rampage. the real question is why are you speaking for teamplayers when your just a scrub they let in for the lulz
DJINN Rampage wrote:but weve beat you without arirana multiple times... i mostly blame it on them letting your fat behind in the battles in the first place Hm? Who says "we" when you're speaking for yourself? Lol? |
DJINN Rampage
Ancient Exiles
111
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Posted - 2013.09.15 22:34:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:DJINN Rampage wrote:Long Evity wrote: Why are you speaking for AE? You've been in it for a week.
im not speaking for anyone except DJINN Rampage. the real question is why are you speaking for teamplayers when your just a scrub they let in for the lulz DJINN Rampage wrote:but weve beat you without arirana multiple times... i mostly blame it on them letting your fat behind in the battles in the first place Hm? Who says "we" when you're speaking for yourself? Lol?
because it was a team effort, i ddn't go out kill a team of EoNs best and hold at least 3 points at the same time by myself did I?
nope i just did my job dropped a few uplinks blew a few R.Es and collected my reward at the end of the game.
saying we need to glitch to beat you as you've stated multiple times just isn't true. both teams are very well prepared and versatile on the battlefield thus making for an even game. |
Long Evity
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
202
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Posted - 2013.09.15 22:37:00 -
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DJINN Rampage wrote:
nope i just did my job dropped a few uplinks blew a few R.Es and collected my reward at the end of the game.
I'm glad you know all your good for is dropping RE's and destroying uplinks. At least you also know how to corp hop. |
DJINN Rampage
Ancient Exiles
111
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Posted - 2013.09.15 22:40:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:DJINN Rampage wrote:
nope i just did my job dropped a few uplinks blew a few R.Es and collected my reward at the end of the game.
I'm glad you know all your good for is dropping RE's and destroying uplinks. At least you also know how to corp hop.
lol im glad to know that if im such a scrub i can still whoop your ass 9 times out of 10
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Long Evity
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
203
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Posted - 2013.09.15 22:41:00 -
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DJINN Rampage wrote:Long Evity wrote:DJINN Rampage wrote:
nope i just did my job dropped a few uplinks blew a few R.Es and collected my reward at the end of the game.
I'm glad you know all your good for is dropping RE's and destroying uplinks. At least you also know how to corp hop. lol im glad to know that if im such a scrub i can still whoop your ass 9 times out of 10 So does making things up help your self-esteem? I know you've been on the losing side for a long time but you really need a new outlet. |
DJINN Rampage
Ancient Exiles
111
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Posted - 2013.09.15 22:44:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:DJINN Rampage wrote:Long Evity wrote:DJINN Rampage wrote:
nope i just did my job dropped a few uplinks blew a few R.Es and collected my reward at the end of the game.
I'm glad you know all your good for is dropping RE's and destroying uplinks. At least you also know how to corp hop. lol im glad to know that if im such a scrub i can still whoop your ass 9 times out of 10 So does making things up help your self-esteem? I know you've been on the losing side for a long time but you really need a new outlet.
need a new outlet? psh, i've been having fun all week kicking EoN's ass and destroying Mavado's tanks going #1 in the process (Uplink Spam FTW) of course, all those achievements are outshined when kalante goes #2 dropping 30/1 games all day -.-
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Long Evity
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
203
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Posted - 2013.09.15 22:54:00 -
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DJINN Rampage wrote:Long Evity wrote:DJINN Rampage wrote:Long Evity wrote:DJINN Rampage wrote:
nope i just did my job dropped a few uplinks blew a few R.Es and collected my reward at the end of the game.
I'm glad you know all your good for is dropping RE's and destroying uplinks. At least you also know how to corp hop. lol im glad to know that if im such a scrub i can still whoop your ass 9 times out of 10 So does making things up help your self-esteem? I know you've been on the losing side for a long time but you really need a new outlet. need a new outlet? psh, i've been having fun all week kicking EoN's ass and destroying Mavado's tanks going #1 in the process (Uplink Spam FTW) of course, all those achievements are outshined when kalante goes #2 dropping 30/1 games all day -.- So - what was your Kills and Deaths? Or are you just a logi now? |
Deranged Disaster
The Rainbow Effect
519
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Posted - 2013.09.15 22:54:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Nah - that was worth more then that. You, pretending not to be gay in a corp whose symbol represents gay pride? Lol And you are in a corporation that represents teamplay and you are clearly not a teamplayer. Your point is? |
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Long Evity
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
203
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Posted - 2013.09.15 22:57:00 -
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Deranged Disaster wrote:Long Evity wrote:Nah - that was worth more then that. You, pretending not to be gay in a corp whose symbol represents gay pride? Lol And you are in a corporation that represents teamplay and you are clearly not a teamplayer. Your point is? Do you even have one? How do you get the idea I'm not a team player? Or is this just some biased conclusion because my post got more likes then you're 1/10 suggested it would? |
DJINN Rampage
Ancient Exiles
111
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Posted - 2013.09.15 23:22:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:So - what was your Kills and Deaths? Or are you just a logi now?
that particular game it was 14/7 and nah, i just have to roll around in my logi suit for now :/ but im only 10k SP away from my proto assault which means im going back to ground and pound
but to answer your question, no i am an assault first AV second and Logi third in that exact order. |
ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
409
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Posted - 2013.09.16 02:38:00 -
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For what it's worth when I learned about the locking up districts as a viable solution employed to kill good fights and preserve farmville yes it caused me to quit dust for good. One person melee glitching would have never pushed me to that extreme so I feel in my opinion that comparing the two is just silly. |
Deranged Disaster
The Rainbow Effect
519
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Posted - 2013.09.16 10:32:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Do you even have one? How do you get the idea I'm not a team player? Or is this just some biased conclusion because my post got more likes then you're 1/10 suggested it would? I can use my alts aswell to like my own posts but I don't. Run along now, you're completely useless in this thread at the moment. |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
1124
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Posted - 2013.09.16 15:16:00 -
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Deranged Disaster wrote:Long Evity wrote:Do you even have one? How do you get the idea I'm not a team player? Or is this just some biased conclusion because my post got more likes then you're 1/10 suggested it would? I can use my alts aswell to like my own posts but I don't. Run along now, you're completely useless in this thread at the moment. Deranged is SoTa? Dustception... |
Long Evity
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
210
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Posted - 2013.09.16 17:49:00 -
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Deranged Disaster wrote:Long Evity wrote:Do you even have one? How do you get the idea I'm not a team player? Or is this just some biased conclusion because my post got more likes then you're 1/10 suggested it would? I can use my alts aswell to like my own posts but I don't. Run along now, you're completely useless in this thread at the moment. Sounds like someone's in denial how owned he got.
I've never used alts to like myself and never will. Now if we're also talking about relevance in this thread you're completely irrelevant. Just another scrub who thought he could troll his way into popularity without any skill. |
noob cavman
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
69
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Posted - 2013.09.16 18:34:00 -
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Never really thought cubs was a bad guy. They won their land fairly and fought like hell the whole time. Least he is doing something for the Indies and new corps. So what if he is selling the land, its their fecking land and if theya wanted to do a tank conga whilst sipping a fruity drink with a little umbrella in it. Its his right |
DJINN Rampage
Ancient Exiles
113
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Posted - 2013.09.17 00:35:00 -
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Cubs seems like a cool dude with an agenda, i just like to fight teamplayers to size myself up against the big guys :) |
Deranged Disaster
The Rainbow Effect
519
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Posted - 2013.09.17 07:59:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:I've never used alts to like myself and never will. Now if we're also talking about relevance in this thread you're completely irrelevant. Just another scrub who thought he could troll his way into popularity without any skill. Troll myself into popularity? This guy thinks he's still in highschool. ******* nonfactors. |
Long Evity
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
215
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Posted - 2013.09.17 10:55:00 -
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Deranged Disaster wrote:Long Evity wrote:I've never used alts to like myself and never will. Now if we're also talking about relevance in this thread you're completely irrelevant. Just another scrub who thought he could troll his way into popularity without any skill. Troll myself into popularity? This guy thinks he's still in highschool. ******* nonfactors. Awe - now he's butt hurt. <3 It's okay scrub. No one cares if you suck anymore since Dust does. <3 |
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Deranged Disaster
The Rainbow Effect
519
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:27:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Awe - now he's butt hurt. <3 It's okay scrub. No one cares if you suck anymore since Dust does. <3 If I suck as bad as you say then you must be a complete rubbish heavy. Would you like me to perhaps recall the countless times you ran away from me or the countless times I have killed you in PC? Or should I mention that you love to get on your knees for every corporation that manages to "be the best" and hop around like the little bunny you are? Either ways, done with you. I've got GTA 5 to play. |
DaddyKillsEmAll
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
99
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:38:00 -
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Deranged Disaster wrote:Long Evity wrote:Awe - now he's butt hurt. <3 It's okay scrub. No one cares if you suck anymore since Dust does. <3 I Or should I mention that you love to get on your knees for every corporation that manages to "be the best" and hop around like the little bunny you are?
+1 hahahaaa |
Long Evity
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
216
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Posted - 2013.09.17 12:58:00 -
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Now you're mad people pay me the best and the best play with me? lol - the jelly in you is strong. Try some anime. |
Leither Yiltron
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
717
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:43:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:
ur a smart guy but this is a dumb post only TP locked their districts and for 3 days lol. everyone else was open to attack, u just didnt attack so dont say "EoN" was locking their districts get it right. TP needed a rest , they took 1 rest of EoN was waiting yall didnt step up to the plate anymore after a series of losses. TP =/= All of EoN so stop saying EoN did this and that. dont make excuses u lost.
I was going to produce a lengthy response to this, but Baal actually did me one better and covered a lot of the strategic ground. The post is too big to quote gracefully, so here's a link instead in case you missed it.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1303413#post1303413
I'll make a small correction to his original post: According to the CREST API pull that I made about the time when EoN. started locking districts, TeamPlayers's holdings represented nearly 50% of EoN.'s total holdings. http://i.imgur.com/MPaskGy.png
Your quoted post here is inane politicking at its finest taken in context.
I didn't contribute to nor endorse the FEC's original strategy against EoN., frankly because I didn't feel it would be effective given a wealth of personal experience. At best my recommendation was to wait another few weeks to allow EoN.'s members to grow increasingly bored of Dust, as well as try to make the FEC maximally cohesive while training some of the various newer and older corporations. Additionally it made sense, given the absolutely horrendously low clone pack numbers which persist to this day, for smaller corporations to continue relying on EoN. "good will" to obtain districts.
And the FEC? They proved me wrong.
Your implication that attacking anyone other than TeamPlayers within EoN. represented accomplishing the same strategic objective as attacking TP is stupid, and you know it's stupid. The FEC's plan was not "win more than 50% of battles vs. TP", it was "strain EoN. logistically to the point of breaking by exploiting the fact that almost 50% of their district holdings were required to be administrated by approximately 30 active players".
By your own admission as well as TP's, Mav, the FEC was succeeding in this objective. So much so that rather than man up and fight a real war (something that EoN. is apparently scared of doing), EoN. opted to exploit a mechanic that we will all openly admit is extremely broken and completely undermines the basis of Planetary Conquest. TP locked their districts.
"But it was only for 3 days!" is your next argument. Again, this is utter rubbish to anyone with a sense of scope as to how wars currently execute in PC. How long did it take you to kill League of Infamy? 4 days? 3 days was more than enough time to let the players in TP recuperate mentally. Even 1 day is quite a respite given the situation.
As Baal put so well in the linked post, those 3 days cut all the momentum that the FEC had built down to nil. They completely disrupted every iota of the strategic objective that was being accomplished. By all means in a gameplay sense, this was an excellent move on EoN.'s part for averting potential collapse of your strongest corporation.
Shortly thereafter, EoN. moved to mitigate the potential success of such an action again by selling huge swathes of TP's holdings to Public Disorder., with the added bonus that Public Disorder. agreed to provide personnel to alleviate any remnants of logistical strain EoN. was still experiencing after locking. PD. continues to rent from EoN. in the form of "defense contracts" for what I've been told are substantial fees. Thus EoN. still realizes part of the profit on the districts TP traded away, including activity, and in return no longer faces the potential for administrative strain to be put on TP.
Like I said before: well played.
Why does the community continue to tear you a new ******* over your antics? Mostly because your rhetoric is spineless and completely unhelpful concerning the issue in some bizarre attempt to claim that EoN. still wanted "good fights" after having TP lock their districts. Not only that, but EoN. has also been and continues to be hugely unhelpful in trying to push CCP to resolve both the district locking exploit(s) and the generalized issues with PC as a whole. As the largest sov-holder in Molden Heath, locking your districts has proliferated the exploit to the point of making it completely not viable to ignore it on a strategic level. You have made PC even worse by your actions, and yet continue to attempt to justify them.
On top of that, your best words on the subject of Dust as a game are frequently none at all. You constantly talk about moving on to the PS4 and an utter conviction that Dust is doomed to failure. Instead of EoN. being one of the strongest advocates for repairing and iterating on PC and Dust, you're more likely to talk about GTA V.
News flash: Most of us are still playing this game with the hopes of improving it and getting it to realize its potential. Yeah, it's hugely flawed, and it's not getting any better moping about that.
The last thing is a personal note, Mav. Your continued implications that nobody in Dust puts in the same time and effort as you do and can't possibly understand the work you put in are nothing short of insulting to the hundreds of leaders without whom there wouldn't be a metagame for you to ***** at.
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Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
4258
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Posted - 2013.09.17 23:28:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:
On top of that, your best words on the subject of Dust as a game are frequently none at all. You constantly talk about moving on to the PS4 and an utter conviction that Dust is doomed to failure. Instead of EoN. being one of the strongest advocates for repairing and iterating on PC and Dust, you're more likely to talk about GTA V.
News flash: Most of us are still playing this game with the hopes of improving it and getting it to realize its potential. Yeah, it's hugely flawed, and it's not getting any better moping about that.
The last thing is a personal note, Mav. Your continued implications that nobody in Dust puts in the same time and effort as you do and can't possibly understand the work you put in are nothing short of insulting to the hundreds of leaders without whom there wouldn't be a metagame for you to ***** at.
have fun with CCP ignoring ur feedback spend a year + giving feedback and watching others like myself fully dedicated to the game giving feedback continuously ignored then tell me u still feel the need to type up long ass posts that take time out of ur day when u know its gonna be pushed aside no matter how good it actually is.
maybe.....just MAYBE if ccp had fuckin listened back then the game wouldnt be in such terrible state. where do u hear me say dust is doomed for failure? to correct u ive said dust is gonna continue sucking WHILE ON PS3.
now scrolling back up TP controlled 50% of EoN districts u say right ok so why not attack the other 50% u do know just attackin 50% aka TP only leaves the other 50% to help defend TP land right? IKR SHOCKIN for ur actual strat to work u would hav to attack near 100% not just the 50% and a few stragglers
now while being on comms with the leaders of the FEC they told me if TP locked they would focus on the other corps aka the other 50% like i mentioned above seems like the logical thing to do and i told them straight up GOOD come at us attack us if u want
nothing happened why? my guess? u realised it was a huge waste of ISK funding all these corps to send them to continuously get slaughtered and whoever had the pot of ISK prob said fck it not worth it |
Leither Yiltron
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
730
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Posted - 2013.09.17 23:39:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:Leither Yiltron wrote:
On top of that, your best words on the subject of Dust as a game are frequently none at all. You constantly talk about moving on to the PS4 and an utter conviction that Dust is doomed to failure. Instead of EoN. being one of the strongest advocates for repairing and iterating on PC and Dust, you're more likely to talk about GTA V.
News flash: Most of us are still playing this game with the hopes of improving it and getting it to realize its potential. Yeah, it's hugely flawed, and it's not getting any better moping about that.
The last thing is a personal note, Mav. Your continued implications that nobody in Dust puts in the same time and effort as you do and can't possibly understand the work you put in are nothing short of insulting to the hundreds of leaders without whom there wouldn't be a metagame for you to ***** at.
now scrolling back up TP controlled 50% of EoN districts u say right ok so why not attack the other 50% u do know just attackin 50% aka TP only leaves the other 50% to help defend TP land right? IKR SHOCKIN for ur actual strat to work u would hav to attack near 100% not just the 50% and a few stragglers
As your devoted student, I know that leadership is hard. Hard enough to justify the thought that you missed the difference between TP's districts having to be logistically managed by 30 guys, as opposed to the other 50% being managed by ten times as many. |
daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
215
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Posted - 2013.09.18 08:59:00 -
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I can sum up pretty easily what happened. - EoN was butthurt because the lost to a melee exploit (lol) and cried over the whole forum - EoN exploited PC mechanics and locked all districts, while still making money
War ended. As long as PC mechanics are broken, war is useless, cubs will just lock everything.
End of story.
Edit: Oh yeah, and Poor Innocence still managed to lose everything .... lol. What the ****? |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1515
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Posted - 2013.09.18 11:35:00 -
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"Hooray for broken PC mechanics. We're so l33t." - EON |
Long Evity
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
220
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Posted - 2013.09.18 13:07:00 -
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Look at all the QQ'ers. "Waaah waaah, TP exploited in game mechanics intended by CCP" While you guys support a group who uses not intended mechanics to win PC. *claps* |
daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
217
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Posted - 2013.09.18 13:51:00 -
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Nobody qq'ed over EoN exploiting mechanics and destroying the whole purpose of PC.
On the other hand, there were hundreds of post of you and others crying like little babies and begging CCP to ban Ari. LOL. And still: Just because you let someone run up to you and melee you in a freaking FPS, where the S stands for SHOOTER.
Edit: And of course, despite being able to lock everything up, Poor Innocence managed to lose everything. I mean, come on, if u lose everything with locking, how bad will it be when locking gets fixed? |
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