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Athena Sentinel
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2013.09.13 02:20:00 -
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I use the AR - I think it is a bit OP right now. Such as the luck of the draw, any MMO'er has been on the plus and minus side of this coin in other situations, I am sure. But this is not a MMO...
I think the AR issue is that may people dump more SP into AR skills. So in some situations it not that the AR is OP - Its that I have +5 all AR skills and you have +3 in basic Scrambler Rifles.
I would like to try Scramblers but I am way to invested into AR now, like many players, to gimp myself with a SP switch. Even if I want to try it out, along with Nova knifes, light suits, and so on. I am locked to the first choice I made. Or I waste SP, time, and gimp myself going in a new directions for a month or 2 (and growing). I have the same issues with EVE but that is a MMO - This is a console FPS - CCP wanted that way. SO they have to understand we are not MMO'er and that style of treatment = sail the fail boat into the sunset. The game might never die, but it will be a shell of a empty dead system.
So allowing respecs would allow players to try different styles instead of being locked to one, the first one they kinda thought of before really knowing the game. I think players will not enjoy gimping themselves to try new fits, will get bored, annoyed of dieing because scotty is setting them up into battle that they will die or be forced back to their old SP weapon choice to get kills and not die.
Want to know why they are all AR and AR SP is huge +5 = seems OP. Because we can't effectively try new styles without gimping ourselves, might be nothing to newer players but some are invested into a fit and it would take more then a week or 2 or even a month or 2 to respect into a new style. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
6197
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Posted - 2013.09.13 02:24:00 -
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In before some genius suggests cross training. |
skippy678
F.T.U. DARKSTAR ARMY
91
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Posted - 2013.09.13 02:24:00 -
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Athena Sentinel wrote:I use the AR - I think it is a bit OP right now. Such as the luck of the draw, any MMO'er has been on the plus and minus side of this coin in other situations, I am sure. But this is not a MMO...
I think the AR issue is that may people dump more SP into AR skills. So in some situations it not that the AR is OP - Its that I have +5 all AR skills and you have +3 in basic Scrambler Rifles.
I would like to try Scramblers but I am way to invested into AR now, like many players, to gimp myself with a SP switch. Even if I want to try it out, along with Nova knifes, light suits, and so on. I am locked to the first choice I made. Or I waste SP, time, and gimp myself going in a new directions for a month or 2 (and growing). I have the same issues with EVE but that is a MMO - This is a console FPS - CCP wanted that way. SO they have to understand we are not MMO'er and that style of treatment = sail the fail boat into the sunset. The game might never die, but it will be a shell of a empty dead system.
So allowing respecs would allow players to try different styles instead of being locked to one, the first one they kinda thought of before really knowing the game. I think players will not enjoy gimping themselves to try new fits, will get bored, annoyed of dieing because scotty is setting them up into battle that they will die or be forced back to their old SP weapon choice to get kills and not die.
Want to know why they are all AR and AR SP is huge +5 = seems OP. Because we can't effectively try new styles without gimping ourselves, might be nothing to newer players but some are invested into a fit and it would take more then a week or 2 or even a month or 2 to respect into a new style.
I would put my 16 million skill points into AR if they did that......80% of the 20% who dont use AR would start... and if that happens I might as well bust out the nintendo 64 and play some 007 |
Lorhak Gannarsein
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
348
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Posted - 2013.09.13 02:25:00 -
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You know what I'd do if I were given a respec? I'd dump all my SP from weapons I don't use anymore into ARs. So no, wouldn't work.
You need to nerf the AR first, make it less desirable. Make it the jack of all trades, instead of the master. |
skippy678
F.T.U. DARKSTAR ARMY
91
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Posted - 2013.09.13 02:28:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:You know what I'd do if I were given a respec? I'd dump all my SP from weapons I don't use anymore into ARs. So no, wouldn't work.
You need to nerf the AR first, make it less desirable. Make it the jack of all trades, instead of the master.
good one
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skippy678
F.T.U. DARKSTAR ARMY
91
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Posted - 2013.09.13 02:30:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:You know what I'd do if I were given a respec? I'd dump all my SP from weapons I don't use anymore into ARs. So no, wouldn't work.
You need to nerf the AR first, make it less desirable. Make it the jack of all trades, instead of the master.
But watch the minuite they take 1 hit point away from the AR or change its range we are gonna have them freaking on the forum threatining to quit
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noob cavman
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
40
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Posted - 2013.09.13 02:38:00 -
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I would dump all mine into heavy,hmg and scrambler pistols. Kinda bored of ar |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
979
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Posted - 2013.09.13 02:41:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:You know what I'd do if I were given a respec? I'd dump all my SP from weapons I don't use anymore into ARs. So no, wouldn't work.
You need to nerf the AR first, make it less desirable. Make it the jack of all trades, instead of the master. But watch the minuite they take 1 hit point away from the AR or change its range we are gonna have them freaking on the forum threatining to quit
Combat rifles and any other weapon in that vein is going to cause a lot of tears. The repecers will have another rallying point. Something is going to have to be done because they are not wrong about deserving refunded SP. It is going to be difficult and it is going to be hard to say no to if not done properly. |
noob cavman
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
40
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Posted - 2013.09.13 02:44:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:skippy678 wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:You know what I'd do if I were given a respec? I'd dump all my SP from weapons I don't use anymore into ARs. So no, wouldn't work.
You need to nerf the AR first, make it less desirable. Make it the jack of all trades, instead of the master. But watch the minuite they take 1 hit point away from the AR or change its range we are gonna have them freaking on the forum threatining to quit Combat rifles and any other weapon in that vein is going to cause a lot of tears. The repecers will have another rallying point. Something is going to have to be done because they are not wrong about deserving refunded SP. It is going to be difficult and it is going to be hard to say no to if not done properly.
Hell if they make the lr out dps a ar at 90+ m people will cry like babies for a nerf or a respec |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
979
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Posted - 2013.09.13 03:02:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:skippy678 wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:You know what I'd do if I were given a respec? I'd dump all my SP from weapons I don't use anymore into ARs. So no, wouldn't work.
You need to nerf the AR first, make it less desirable. Make it the jack of all trades, instead of the master. But watch the minuite they take 1 hit point away from the AR or change its range we are gonna have them freaking on the forum threatining to quit Combat rifles and any other weapon in that vein is going to cause a lot of tears. The repecers will have another rallying point. Something is going to have to be done because they are not wrong about deserving refunded SP. It is going to be difficult and it is going to be hard to say no to if not done properly. Hell if they make the lr out dps a ar at 90+ m people will cry like babies for a nerf or a respec
LR does well at 90 meters the optimal may need to be adjusted but it works great. I don't believe at 90+m the AR is doing better damage. I would like to see some numbers on that but I do agree that the AR seems to work too well at the far end of medium range and the LR has a very narrow optimal range. I use the LR almost all the time, I dropped proto scrambler rifles when the sights changed to something I can use and I can tell you that the LR does what it says. With mods and a good suit it is a monster it just needs a wider optimal that allows it to fit a niche. I don't want to say it but it needs to be almost like Chrome was and only allow tactics and snipers to challenge its range. |
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knight of 6
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
268
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Posted - 2013.09.13 03:14:00 -
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no, I support a 1.5 respec but this is not a good reason for it. the Idea of SP is to lock you into a class weapon ect. if you are using respecs to get new guns then it defeats the purpose of SP.
you "gimp" yourself by cross training? my balec's AR has 2 million SP in it tops and it's officer grade you only need ADV to be competitive... you're really not gimping yourself by having 2 guns available to you, it's actually a good thing.
I'm cross training an HAV and my soma is sitting pretty w/ and ADV launcher proto armor & reps and an ADV pg upgrade... there are dumber cross trainings than a second gun. |
Halfwings Warbringer
ThislsWhyimhot
39
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Posted - 2013.09.13 03:15:00 -
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Athena Sentinel wrote:I use the AR - I think it is a bit OP right now. Such as the luck of the draw, any MMO'er has been on the plus and minus side of this coin in other situations, I am sure. But this is not a MMO...
I think the AR issue is that may people dump more SP into AR skills. So in some situations it not that the AR is OP - Its that I have +5 all AR skills and you have +3 in basic Scrambler Rifles.
I would like to try Scramblers but I am way to invested into AR now, like many players, to gimp myself with a SP switch. Even if I want to try it out, along with Nova knifes, light suits, and so on. I am locked to the first choice I made. Or I waste SP, time, and gimp myself going in a new directions for a month or 2 (and growing). I have the same issues with EVE but that is a MMO - This is a console FPS - CCP wanted that way. SO they have to understand we are not MMO'er and that style of treatment = sail the fail boat into the sunset. The game might never die, but it will be a shell of a empty dead system.
So allowing respecs would allow players to try different styles instead of being locked to one, the first one they kinda thought of before really knowing the game. I think players will not enjoy gimping themselves to try new fits, will get bored, annoyed of dieing because scotty is setting them up into battle that they will die or be forced back to their old SP weapon choice to get kills and not die.
Want to know why they are all AR and AR SP is huge +5 = seems OP. Because we can't effectively try new styles without gimping ourselves, might be nothing to newer players but some are invested into a fit and it would take more then a week or 2 or even a month or 2 to respect into a new style. LOL that now fix it make some player with mass driver and other players who spec into other gun go straght into ar. |
noob cavman
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
40
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Posted - 2013.09.13 03:20:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:noob cavman wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:skippy678 wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:You know what I'd do if I were given a respec? I'd dump all my SP from weapons I don't use anymore into ARs. So no, wouldn't work.
You need to nerf the AR first, make it less desirable. Make it the jack of all trades, instead of the master. But watch the minuite they take 1 hit point away from the AR or change its range we are gonna have them freaking on the forum threatining to quit Combat rifles and any other weapon in that vein is going to cause a lot of tears. The repecers will have another rallying point. Something is going to have to be done because they are not wrong about deserving refunded SP. It is going to be difficult and it is going to be hard to say no to if not done properly. Hell if they make the lr out dps a ar at 90+ m people will cry like babies for a nerf or a respec LR does well at 90 meters the optimal may need to be adjusted but it works great. I don't believe at 90+m the AR is doing better damage. I would like to see some numbers on that but I do agree that the AR seems to work too well at the far end of medium range and the LR has a very narrow optimal range. I use the LR almost all the time, I dropped proto scrambler rifles when the sights changed to something I can use and I can tell you that the LR does what it says. With mods and a good suit it is a monster it just needs a wider optimal that allows it to fit a niche. I don't want to say it but it needs to be almost like Chrome was and only allow tactics and snipers to challenge its range.
Yeah im moving more and more to LR with prof 2 into it. The new sight has made a world of difference but I feel the opitmal is too close and narrow. I can kill a lot quicker at 90 m with my duv with no damage mods but prof 5 than a vis with 2 complex dam mods. I agree the range of its optimal needs to be increased at longer range or a less drastically curved damage fall off
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Athena Sentinel
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2013.09.13 15:33:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:You know what I'd do if I were given a respec? I'd dump all my SP from weapons I don't use anymore into ARs. So no, wouldn't work.
You need to nerf the AR first, make it less desirable. Make it the jack of all trades, instead of the master. But watch the minuite they take 1 hit point away from the AR or change its range we are gonna have them freaking on the forum threatining to quit
Yup |
RA Drahcir
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
234
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Posted - 2013.09.25 05:07:00 -
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Respec, yes. More ARs post respec, still worth it. |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Cult of War
291
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Posted - 2013.09.25 05:13:00 -
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I wish there was a way to reply to threads without needing to open them because with thread titles like this i already know what i am going to post before even reading first post.
"No, your wrong. No more respecs" |
Athena Sentinel
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2013.09.25 06:50:00 -
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RA Drahcir wrote:Respec, yes. More ARs post respec, still worth it.
Yup, 1.5 and 1.6 changes even the no respect fools will regret it and beg for them.
We don't even have all the suit variants out. Its so Beta still. They need to do something before Dec because PS4 and its new F2P FPS will be more of a finished continually growing game... Other then EVE players anyone attracted to a F2P FPS will just migrate to the new game that is not in a unknown beta/limbo to even connect Dust and EVE
In my mind.. The game is not out of beta until EVE/Dust connection. |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
1219
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Posted - 2013.09.25 07:01:00 -
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Give me a respec and I will dump it all back into the AR. Love the rifle. Love it in any FPS title I play and that won't change because the community hates getting killed by it. |
KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
281
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Posted - 2013.09.25 07:06:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Give me a respec and I will dump it all back into the AR. Love the rifle. Love it in any FPS title I play and that won't change because the community hates getting killed by it.
It isn't even the majority of the community that complains about it, its just like 10 ppl constantly criclejerking in AR threads.
They make them everyday and it is the same butthurt crew from the TAC AR nerf days.
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dustwaffle
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
575
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Posted - 2013.09.25 07:11:00 -
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You don't have to get proficiency 5 before using a weapon :/
Have AR specced to prof. 4 and everything else to 3, still managed to get advance ScR and PLC and basic sidearms/weapons etc.
They're only 12k SP at basic.
Plus, isn't there this big debate about skill > SP? |
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Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
1024
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Posted - 2013.09.25 07:14:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:no, I support a 1.5 respec but this is not a good reason for it. the Idea of SP is to lock you into a class weapon ect. if you are using respecs to get new guns then it defeats the purpose of SP.
you "gimp" yourself by cross training? my balec's AR has 2 million SP in it tops and it's officer grade you only need ADV to be competitive... you're really not gimping yourself by having 2 guns available to you, it's actually a good thing.
I'm cross training an HAV and my soma is sitting pretty w/ and ADV launcher proto armor & reps and an ADV pg upgrade... there are dumber cross trainings than a second gun.
I agree with Anya here, cross training is viable and in fact extremely valuable. What do you do if the enemy team have a powerful vehicle presence and all you specced into were Scrambler Rifles?
I'm against respecs as an institution, no one has sold them to me yet, and you can't tell us that respeccing is the only way to try a new gun/playstyle. Sorry OP, but bad point is bad. |
Jinx Rollin
Commando Perkone Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2013.09.25 07:20:00 -
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Oh noes I have 'gimped' myself I didn't realise that was what I was doing after getting all my core skill to lvl 5 and cross training proto AR,smg,swarms,scrambler rifle and flaylock. I feel such a failure being able to run maxed proto suits and any 2 of 5 proto weapons. LOL
Truth is though since 1.4 I generally just run a starter fit with 700 EHP and an Exile AR - jobs done! |
jerrmy12 kahoalii
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
25
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Posted - 2013.09.25 07:40:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:knight of 6 wrote:no, I support a 1.5 respec but this is not a good reason for it. the Idea of SP is to lock you into a class weapon ect. if you are using respecs to get new guns then it defeats the purpose of SP.
you "gimp" yourself by cross training? my balec's AR has 2 million SP in it tops and it's officer grade you only need ADV to be competitive... you're really not gimping yourself by having 2 guns available to you, it's actually a good thing.
I'm cross training an HAV and my soma is sitting pretty w/ and ADV launcher proto armor & reps and an ADV pg upgrade... there are dumber cross trainings than a second gun. I agree with Anya here, cross training is viable and in fact extremely valuable. What do you do if the enemy team have a powerful vehicle presence and all you specced into were Scrambler Rifles? I'm against respecs as an institution, no one has sold them to me yet, and you can't tell u to get into tanks, or gunning effectively you ned adv skill lvl. |
Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
1024
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Posted - 2013.09.25 16:04:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Zero Harpuia wrote:knight of 6 wrote:no, I support a 1.5 respec but this is not a good reason for it. the Idea of SP is to lock you into a class weapon ect. if you are using respecs to get new guns then it defeats the purpose of SP.
you "gimp" yourself by cross training? my balec's AR has 2 million SP in it tops and it's officer grade you only need ADV to be competitive... you're really not gimping yourself by having 2 guns available to you, it's actually a good thing.
I'm cross training an HAV and my soma is sitting pretty w/ and ADV launcher proto armor & reps and an ADV pg upgrade... there are dumber cross trainings than a second gun. I agree with Anya here, cross training is viable and in fact extremely valuable. What do you do if the enemy team have a powerful vehicle presence and all you specced into were Scrambler Rifles? I'm against respecs as an institution, no one has sold them to me yet, and you can't tell u to get into tanks, or gunning effectively you ned adv skill lvl.
ADV level is easy. In fact, in EVE, getting everything to level three is the basic bread and butter. It's Ving out skills that is hard, but it doesn't mean that you are forced to V out every skill to be competitive. |
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