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DJINN MUSTARD
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.10 20:24:00 -
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I am VERY happy with the 22mill SP I've spent! I have about 4 mill I would LIKE to get back, but hey that's all part of the game! Live and learn! Im happy with my choices! People spec'ed into OP suits/weapons that are now, not so OP! Live with it and wear it proud, like you once did! I guess all that skill was really the suit and not your two hands? In real life, there are NO DO-OVER'S! CCP, If you give in now, this will be a NEVER ENDING CYCLE of whining and complaining! Every update when they see something "better" they want RESPEC RESPEC RESPEC! NO NO NO! Let the hating commence!
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
618
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Posted - 2013.09.10 20:26:00 -
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Well, what if say suit frames from different races came out that people were going to go for first, like a Caldari Scout, but couldn't because they weren't out yet? Or how about the fact that they are completely changing the workingings of vehicles and AV? **** the pilots and AV'ers? |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4084
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Posted - 2013.09.10 20:26:00 -
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CCP is already ahead of you, buddy. They did say that there will NO MORE RESPECS in the foreseeable future. However, they did leave open the possibility of partial reimbursements for whenever they make changes to the skill tree such as reduced SP costs per level, removal of skill books, or splitting a generalized skill book into the four racial variants. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
621
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Posted - 2013.09.10 20:29:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:CCP is already ahead of you, buddy. They did say that there will NO MORE FULL RESPECS in the foreseeable future. However, they did leave open the possibility of partial reimbursements for whenever they make changes to the skill tree such as reduced SP costs per level, removal of skill books, or splitting a generalized skill book into the four racial variants.
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RKKR
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
356
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Posted - 2013.09.10 20:30:00 -
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It's a well now secret that CCP is going to base their decision on the 100th respec thread.
This thread is not the one.
Please spam more respecs threads (and maybe a new argument about respecs will come out of it too). |
Vespasian Andendare
Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack
396
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Posted - 2013.09.10 20:51:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Well, what if say suit frames from different races came out that people were going to go for first, like a Caldari Scout, but couldn't because they weren't out yet? Or how about the fact that they are completely changing the workingings of vehicles and AV? **** the pilots and AV'ers? Then I would say you skilled into the vehicle that you wanted. The vehicles themselves aren't being changed. A drop ship will still be a drop ship. A tank will still be a tank. The fact that they're overpowered or not performing where CCP wants, prompting CCP to make changes, should come as no surprise to anyone. It still doesn't change that you wanted to play in a tank, and you'll still be able to do that.
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howard sanchez
Sanchez Cartage llc
736
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Posted - 2013.09.10 21:02:00 -
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What if they sold respecs for 100,000 Aurum? What if they allowed you to selectively respec for 1 Aurum/sp ( you redistribute your sp as you like all at once and the game says...ok any changes will be 1 Aur/SP)? |
Nguruthos IX
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1617
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Posted - 2013.09.10 21:02:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Well, what if say suit frames from different races came out that people were going to go for first, like a Caldari Scout, but couldn't because they weren't out yet? Or how about the fact that they are completely changing the workingings of vehicles and AV? **** the pilots and AV'ers?
Don't worry about OP, he's a nub |
howard sanchez
Sanchez Cartage llc
736
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Posted - 2013.09.10 21:03:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:What if they sold respecs for 100,000 Aurum? What if they allowed you to selectively respec for 1 Aurum/sp ( you redistribute your sp as you like all at once and the game says...ok any changes will be 1 Aur/SP)? Hmmm, obv 1aur/sp would be kinda steep...my point is: is there a price you would pay? |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4087
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Posted - 2013.09.10 21:04:00 -
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RKKR wrote:It's a well now secret that CCP is going to base their decision on the 100th respec thread.
This thread is not the one.
Please spam more respecs threads (and maybe a new argument about respecs will come out of it too).
The 100th thread pasted over 500 threads ago. |
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DJINN MUSTARD
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.10 21:13:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Well, what if say suit frames from different races came out that people were going to go for first, like a Caldari Scout, but couldn't because they weren't out yet? Or how about the fact that they are completely changing the workingings of vehicles and AV? **** the pilots and AV'ers?
THIS IS TO EASY! CCP could transfer any sp directly into your race specific class of suits/weapons/vehicles! While your on "race" why does EVER corp have EVERY race of mercs in it? Should'nt all corps be of the same race? Are we not fighting for something bigger here? The ultimate question.......Who is the MOST powerful race?
As EVERYONE knows, Dust 514 is a WORK IN PROGRESS! There will ALWAYS be bugs,OP,UP, ect |
DJINN MUSTARD
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.10 21:15:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:What if they sold respecs for 100,000 Aurum? What if they allowed you to selectively respec for 1 Aurum/sp ( you redistribute your sp as you like all at once and the game says...ok any changes will be 1 Aur/SP)? NO RESPECS means <------ Dust is NOT pay to win, remember? Why should you get an UNFAIR advantage over someone that cant buy aur? |
KA24DERT
Pure Innocence. EoN.
91
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Posted - 2013.09.10 21:28:00 -
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+1
CCP should just start locking threads asking for respecs. If someone accidentally puts 1 mil into the wrong skill, then maybe they should be able petition that, but people shouldn't be able to redesign their character at will, this reduces the importance and weight of choice in the Eve universe. |
broonfondle majikthies
P.O.N.A.G.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
244
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Posted - 2013.09.10 21:47:00 -
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Agree with OP. I didn't know a pilot suit was planned so thought a logi was the sensible thing to use. I didn't know all races were going to get their own vehicles so I have lots of Gallente DS's I didn't know about race weapons and skills not present yet so went AR and hate it
You know what? I don't care Now I know its coming I have skilled into Light frames and even tried out scouting - and I love it. (Also good to know the frames limits. Lack of CPU and PG will be a major factor for the suit on release) When I do skill into my own races vehicles heavily I will also have the option to use their allies stuff. Meaning I have a level of flexibility a dedicated race user might not have. I'm guessing the AR tree might be refunded when that is overhauled with the new variants but I shan't hold my breath. Till then I stick to my SMG and focus more on helping the team when I logi (Also a good rep tool will be useful for a pilot come 1.5 - No more active repper mods) |
DoubleTap420
ROGUE SPADES EoN.
68
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Posted - 2013.09.10 22:01:00 -
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I think they should do 1 more optional respec when 1.5 comes out. They should make a purchasable respec for 10k aur for 1 WEEK ONLY. Then have a thread on the forums saying anymore respec threads will be deleted and you will get banned from the forums for x amount of time.
I really want just 1 more respec. Dont need it but I want it to switch a few core skills around. Also I have 23.5mill sp with 700k unallocated am I a scout and will always stay scout. I don't want to switch to op **** just stuff I tried and dont like and want to put it to better use like passive skills to help my scout anyway possible. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
2075
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Posted - 2013.09.10 22:04:00 -
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I'm all for people living with the choices they make.
But everyone having to live with the choices and changes CCP makes for the suit they paid a ton of SP for (and for many SP = $ through the use of boosters).
Sorry but no, I completely disagree. If there we no suit/weapons happening, then I would say there should be no reason to reallocate SP. But once changes are made (and they should be made as needed) then CCP should certainly consider SP reallocation.
Its actually incorrect to say you can spec into everything in this game, we all know the truth is the game is designed so that you CANNOT spec into everything, by the time you could max out the current tree there will be like 3x more crap you can buy.
With that in mind every point of SP means something, and if SP is wasted because of choices and changes CCP makes, then its poor game design.
They should definitely reallocate SP based on changes, even if its only for the trees being specifically changed.
Also... in the end we all know it only matters for dropsuits... thats a fundemental problem with this game. They need to tiericide dropsuits and fast so that people can actually reasonably spec into more than one dropsuit in a reasonable amount of time. 2.5 million SP just to finally start using the dropsuit is madness (and proto dropsuits are the only ones that matter once you have a proto dropsuit... if you play competitively that is, and not just role-playing in pubs). |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
1636
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Posted - 2013.09.10 22:08:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Well, what if say suit frames from different races came out that people were going to go for first, like a Caldari Scout, but couldn't because they weren't out yet? Or how about the fact that they are completely changing the workingings of vehicles and AV? **** the pilots and AV'ers? As a dedicated AVer I do not want a respec after the vehicle balancing patches. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
1636
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Posted - 2013.09.10 22:09:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:CCP is already ahead of you, buddy. They did say that there will NO MORE RESPECS in the foreseeable future. However, they did leave open the possibility of partial reimbursements for whenever they make changes to the skill tree such as reduced SP costs per level, removal of skill books, or splitting a generalized skill book into the four racial variants. This is the only type of respec I want to see. Reimburse for individual skills not the whole tree. |
howard sanchez
Sanchez Cartage llc
738
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:09:00 -
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DJINN MUSTARD wrote:howard sanchez wrote:What if they sold respecs for 100,000 Aurum? What if they allowed you to selectively respec for 1 Aurum/sp ( you redistribute your sp as you like all at once and the game says...ok any changes will be 1 Aur/SP)? NO RESPECS means <------ Dust is NOT pay to win, remember? Why should you get an UNFAIR advantage over someone that cant buy aur? Ok, previously my response to the Respecs= Pay2Win argument would be something like, given the evolutionary drift towards tiericide and the fact that sp earned on a character is only redistributed and not created( you're not buying sp).
But I've been reading a lot of arguments pro and con about respec and then this occurred to me:
You know how so many ( like all) mmos today have to deal with players "rushing" to end game content and subsequently burming out because developers can't keep up with player content consumption ( aka advancement)?
The fact that Dust throttles sp gain while providing SO many skills to invest sp into is at the foundation of how long it takes a player to "level up". Keeping this cycle as long as possible while maintaining player desire to "get that next skill" is essential to holding onto a player base
Allowing respecs would dramatically shorten and diffuse the length of time to reach "end game" and force CCP to address that challenge that so many other games have failed to surmount.
And the argument that every skill point earned and applied to in game skills is never truly wasted as long as CCP keeps every skill viable is a valid one.
It is for this reason that I choose to support the No Respec Evah position.
Thanks for your consideration |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1679
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:13:00 -
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Too much missing core content for them not to do another respec. I'm not saying do a respec everytime we get new content, I'm saying do a respec once when we get the core content that really should of been there from the beginning (heavies, lights, vehicles, assault weapons). |
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Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
1639
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:14:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Too much missing core content for them not to do another respec. I'm not saying do a respec everytime we get new content, I'm saying do a respec once when we get the core content that really should of been there from the beginning (heavies, lights, vehicles, assault weapons). I have no problem with a respec when all the promised launch features are implemented. That should be the last one though. |
Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
676
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:16:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Well, what if say suit frames from different races came out that people were going to go for first, like a Caldari Scout, but couldn't because they weren't out yet? Or how about the fact that they are completely changing the workingings of vehicles and AV? **** the pilots and AV'ers?
Then, maybe, just deal with it and spend your next 2,5 million SP into the new shiny suit. Just becaise they introduce new suits and weapons that's not a reason to give out respecs. If the people wanted to spec into Caldari Scout for example but couldn't, then they could've also saved the SP and waited. New stuff is not a reason for respecs. |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Cult of War
169
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:21:00 -
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One of the best threads I seen in a while good job open on speaking your voice and not joining the crying respec band wagon |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
629
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:22:00 -
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Vespasian Andendare wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Well, what if say suit frames from different races came out that people were going to go for first, like a Caldari Scout, but couldn't because they weren't out yet? Or how about the fact that they are completely changing the workingings of vehicles and AV? **** the pilots and AV'ers? Then I would say you skilled into the vehicle that you wanted. The vehicles themselves aren't being changed. A drop ship will still be a drop ship. A tank will still be a tank. The fact that they're overpowered or not performing where CCP wants, prompting CCP to make changes, should come as no surprise to anyone. It still doesn't change that you wanted to play in a tank, and you'll still be able to do that.
When you change something so missively, one does not hinder someone by making them keep all of their SP in the same skills. That's like telling everyone during the tiercide era (when it was really big) that there would be no respecs, as the ships changed a lot. That would be like saying, "Well, you skilled into Battleships, and it's still a battleship, so deal with it." So even though it's massively changed, it doesn't matter. But the thing is, IT DOES. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
629
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:23:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Well, what if say suit frames from different races came out that people were going to go for first, like a Caldari Scout, but couldn't because they weren't out yet? Or how about the fact that they are completely changing the workingings of vehicles and AV? **** the pilots and AV'ers? Then, maybe, just deal with it and spend your next 2,5 million SP into the new shiny suit. Just becaise they introduce new suits and weapons that's not a reason to give out respecs. If the people wanted to spec into Caldari Scout for example but couldn't, then they could've also saved the SP and waited. New stuff is not a reason for respecs.
I bet you a million ISK that they'll allow a respec. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
629
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:25:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Well, what if say suit frames from different races came out that people were going to go for first, like a Caldari Scout, but couldn't because they weren't out yet? Or how about the fact that they are completely changing the workingings of vehicles and AV? **** the pilots and AV'ers? Don't worry about OP, he's a nub
I've noticed that a lot of the DJUNN's are quite the nubs. Not all of them, I quite like Marauder and Phoenix. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
629
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:32:00 -
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DJINN MUSTARD wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Well, what if say suit frames from different races came out that people were going to go for first, like a Caldari Scout, but couldn't because they weren't out yet? Or how about the fact that they are completely changing the workingings of vehicles and AV? **** the pilots and AV'ers? THIS IS TO EASY! CCP could transfer any sp directly into your race specific class of suits/weapons/vehicles! While your on "race" why does EVER corp have EVERY race of mercs in it? Should'nt all corps be of the same race? Are we not fighting for something bigger here? The ultimate question.......Who is the MOST powerful race? As EVERYONE knows, Dust 514 is a WORK IN PROGRESS! There will ALWAYS be bugs,OP,UP, ect
I said nothing about OP or UP. We have already discussed that, and we're done with that one. I said they're getting a full rework, and that warrants a full respec. And the reason why there's multiple races in one corp is that, quite simply, we're mercenaries. We do what we want, and work with whoever the **** the want to. And if they are able to do that, it would be fine as well. I was thinking rather than that, they would respec only the other suits. |
Miokai Zahou
Film Actors Guilds
36
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:41:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Vespasian Andendare wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Well, what if say suit frames from different races came out that people were going to go for first, like a Caldari Scout, but couldn't because they weren't out yet? Or how about the fact that they are completely changing the workingings of vehicles and AV? **** the pilots and AV'ers? Then I would say you skilled into the vehicle that you wanted. The vehicles themselves aren't being changed. A drop ship will still be a drop ship. A tank will still be a tank. The fact that they're overpowered or not performing where CCP wants, prompting CCP to make changes, should come as no surprise to anyone. It still doesn't change that you wanted to play in a tank, and you'll still be able to do that. When you change something so massively, one does not hinder someone by making them keep all of their SP in the same skills. That's like telling everyone during the tiercide era (when it was really big) that there would be no respecs, as the ships changed a lot. That would be like saying, "Well, you skilled into Battleships, and it's still a battleship, so deal with it." So even though it's massively changed, it doesn't matter. But the thing is, IT DOES.
No it doesn't. Just because what you specced into doesn't fit your ideal view of how a tank is for you after it gets 'worked on' to be less effective doesn't mean it is absolutely useless. It just means it is a little more vulnerable to hazards of the Eve/Dust universe which goes hand-in-hand with the old saying 'Adapt or Die'. After all, a tank is STILL a tank.
Besides from what I see may happen is that CCP will introduce events like triple SP gains while tripling the SP pool for the week/month instead of a flat out respec given. (Earn your SP damnit!) |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4095
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:48:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Well, what if say suit frames from different races came out that people were going to go for first, like a Caldari Scout, but couldn't because they weren't out yet? Or how about the fact that they are completely changing the workingings of vehicles and AV? **** the pilots and AV'ers? Then, maybe, just deal with it and spend your next 2,5 million SP into the new shiny suit. Just becaise they introduce new suits and weapons that's not a reason to give out respecs. If the people wanted to spec into Caldari Scout for example but couldn't, then they could've also saved the SP and waited. New stuff is not a reason for respecs.
Exactly.
Eve Online, CCP's primary source of revenue, didn't have a respec handed out at all outside the neural remap (which is not really a respec in terms of moving SP) since around 2004 I believe. It still doesn't. The following is a list of things that were introduced AFTER the final respec that occurred around 2003-2004. These items were introduced NOT in one lump sum but in many expansions throughout the ten years of service.
[Note: These things all require training up skill books] 1. Exhumers 2. Dreadnaughts 3. Titans 4. Planetary Colonies 5. Supercarriers etc.
So many things that I can't even remember. Keep in mind that even after these items were introduced they were still undergoing rebalancing just like how you are seeing it here on Dust right now and yet CCP doesn't give respecs for those changes.
Did people get a respec when energy vampire modules got nerfed? No. Did people get a respec when Titans no longer had an Area-of-Effect weapon and can now only do targeted strikes? No. Did people get a respec when mining ships received a buff to armor which practically made it much more difficult for destroyers to suicide gank (note: suicide ganking is a legitimate profession in Eve that does yield profit when done right)? No. and much much more across ten years.
Only one respec was ever given and that was only around 2004 from what I heard. So I wouldn't hold my breath for any future respecs for Dust. |
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