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Levet Darasuum
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.07 22:16:00 -
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Age, how can it be a weakness when it gives nothing but experience, because knowledge is power. Pain, how can it be a weakness if it gives nothing but perspective, because motivation is power. Loss, how can it make you hurt if you have nothing to lose, because attatchment is a vulnerability.
My brothers and sisters. We cast aside these trivial weakness of mortals and replace them with strengths of our own. I stand before you not as better, not as a lesser, i am a factor. A factor of power, destruction and change.
Like death, the phoenix is eternal. Like my name, Darasuum, its meaning of forever changing. death is eternal, but never the same. When a phoenix dies, it is reborn from its own ashes. Death is a different path, one we will tred as death incarnate, as the Phoenix Federation.
There are those that usd their abilities as a means for their ego. But an ego is an ignorant lie. Ego is a weakness. Do not be weak my brothers and sisters. Be the factor, the factor of death, be the phoenix. |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
243
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Posted - 2013.09.08 00:11:00 -
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Levet Darasuum wrote:Age, how can it be a weakness when it gives nothing but experience, because knowledge is power. Pain, how can it be a weakness if it gives nothing but perspective, because motivation is power. Loss, how can it make you hurt if you have nothing to lose, because attatchment is a vulnerability.
My brothers and sisters. We cast aside these trivial weakness of mortals and replace them with strengths of our own. I stand before you not as better, not as a lesser, i am a factor. A factor of power, destruction and change.
Like death, the phoenix is eternal. Like my name, Darasuum, its meaning of forever changing. death is eternal, but never the same. When a phoenix dies, it is reborn from its own ashes. Death is a different path, one we will tred as death incarnate, as the Phoenix Federation.
There are those that usd their abilities as a means for their ego. But an ego is an ignorant lie. Ego is a weakness. Do not be weak my brothers and sisters. Be the factor, the factor of death, be the phoenix. Hm. And what path will you have this "factor" tread, Mr. Darasuum? More than a little of your ... imagery ... seems essentially Federal. |
Galm Fae
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
96
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Posted - 2013.09.08 00:59:00 -
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Indeed. You claim that ego is a lie, yet what lie would you have us fight for? Honor? Glory? Or some other term that is synonymous with "go die in a hole for the man who owns you." |
Levet Darasuum
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.08 00:59:00 -
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Indeed, Ryeon. The Gallente Federation is the faction from which I hail from. But a great many of my relatives are from any of the four factions. The Phoenix Federation is where my allegiance lies. All four factions of New Eden have their flaws, which is why I do not side with them and chose the life of the mercenary.
At the same time each faction is where it is now because of their unique implimentation of strengths. Though I find your statement, maybe your request, vague. What is it you seek? |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
243
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Posted - 2013.09.08 01:06:00 -
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Levet Darasuum wrote:Indeed, Ryeon. The Gallente Federation is the faction from which I hail from. But a great many of my relatives are from any of the four factions. The Phoenix Federation is where my allegiance lies. All four factions of New Eden have their flaws, which is why I do not side with them and chose the life of the mercenary.
At the same time each faction is where it is now because of their unique implimentation of strengths. Though I find your statement, maybe your request, vague. What is it you seek? Clarity, Ms. Darasuum. Insight.
In this particular case, several of your remarks might be taken as philosophical, if not religious. I am curious whether we are dealing with a seeker of insight, a would-be visionary who believes she has found a shard of insight and wishes to share it, or a marketer.
As you might guess, as someone who seeks clarity, I'm not all that interested in marketers. |
Levet Darasuum
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.08 01:12:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:Indeed. You claim that ego is a lie, yet what lie would you have us fight for? Honor? Glory? Or some other term that is synonymous with "go die in a hole for the man who owns you."
Hahaha, Fae, I like your question. Such a thing is an introverted question. Introverted thinking allows us to know inwardly what is right and what is wrong. But let us not discuss parralels that are not requested.
Justice, what is justice? An old friend of mine, rest his soul if he be dead, once asked that retorical question in an attempt to make me think. It did more than just that. I persued it, i asked strangers what they thought justice, honor, courage, vengance, what did each mean and why do any of us care. If i were any upunger i'd get worked up just talking about it.
But to give you a straight forward answer Fae, why you fight and why I fight are two different questions. You can fight for what ever reason. Whether it be the man fighting next to you, your own survival, or even to please the authority above you. Just do not let your ego get in the way of your mission. Your ego is what tells you that you are better than wjat you are, it makes you arrogant, blind and ignorant of the possability that you can, and will lose at some point or another.
It may not be the next battle, it might be the next fire-fight, or tactical deployment, or squad manouver. Remove you ego, and you enter the fight woth a clearer spirit and mind. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1764
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Posted - 2013.09.08 01:27:00 -
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Levet Darasuum wrote:Indeed, Ryeon. The Gallente Federation is the faction from which I hail from. But a great many of my relatives are from any of the four factions. The Phoenix Federation is where my allegiance lies. All four factions of New Eden have their flaws, which is why I do not side with them and chose the life of the mercenary.
At the same time each faction is where it is now because of their unique implimentation of strengths. Though I find your statement, maybe your request, vague. What is it you seek? Fight for the Gallente and you shall die like the rest. There is no mercy for the heathens, and the corrupt. |
Levet Darasuum
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.08 01:36:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: Clarity, Ms. Darasuum. Insight.-á
In this particular case, several of your remarks might be taken as philosophical, if not religious. I am curious whether we are dealing with a seeker of insight, a would-be visionary who believes she has found a shard of insight and wishes to share it, or a marketer.
As you might guess, as someone who seeks clarity, I'm not all that interested in marketers.
I know I look good but I am no female. I am not religious, but I am philisophical. My lifestyle has morphed into one where philosophy is symbiotic, and it can sometimes be dangerous for someone who has to take orders from time to time. Haha.
I am not selling my ideas. If I did there would be a copyright symbol flashed after every sentence and a lawyer behind me. -álike anyone else, I think my current way is best. But unlike some, I recognize the next way will be even better. It is for that reason that I stay open to new ideas and debate with my corpmates, friends and even rivals so that my introspection can evolve into a better state of being. I believe that if I share these thougts, facts, statements, etc, then people will follow on their own and eventually come around to my way of thinking if not get ahead of me to an even better one.
If an individual or group of individuals do not or will not recognize the insight presented then they are quite frankly ignorant that in some part has to do with their pride and ego. They would be unwilling to change but it is a universal rule that things change. Their ignorance of the universal way of things would be seen as a weskness which would be eventually exploited and potentially removed along with their existance depending on how stubborn they are. Those that don't evolve, die off.-áSounds harsh now that I hear it outside of my head but the truth can be that way. |
Levet Darasuum
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.08 01:43:00 -
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True Adamance wrote: Fight for the Gallente and you shall die like the rest. There is no mercy for the heathens, and the corrupt.
As stated Adamance, I have no allegiance toward the Gallente Federation. Such a thing would be unbecoming of a mercenary. |
Furui
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.09.08 01:53:00 -
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Levet Darasuum wrote:True Adamance wrote: Fight for the Gallente and you shall die like the rest. There is no mercy for the heathens, and the corrupt. As stated Adamance, I have no allegiance toward the Gallente Federation. Such a thing would be unbecoming of a mercenary.
Then what do you stand for? I find it hard to believe a man who stands for nothing, and yet spouts idiocracies about being a factor. A factor? A man who does not stand for even his own race is a man who has not proven himself to be a factor. He only proves himself to be a double-edged knife that cuts both his allies and enemies.
Stand for your race, soldier. Or dont stand at all. |
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Levet Darasuum
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.08 02:45:00 -
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Furui wrote:
Then what do you stand for? I find it hard to believe a man who stands for nothing, and yet spouts idiocracies about being a factor. A factor? A man who does not stand for even his own race is a man who has not proven himself to be a factor. He only proves himself to be a double-edged knife that cuts both his allies and enemies.
Stand for your race, soldier. Or dont stand at all.
Firstly Gallente are not a race, in fact none of the factions are just a singular race.
And even if i had allegiance to the Gallente Federation it would not br because of it's composition of genes, but rather their system of government, success, and means as well as intended ends.
Where I come from there is a saying. It goes something like, "nobody cares who your father was, only the father you'll be." i hold that saying to more than just parental meaning.
I fight not for my race. Because that could lead to supremacy and be seen as such. I do fight for myself and my personal desires, but that leads into the subject of desire and most likely greed.
If you were to ask. "why are you giving this information about being a factor" then I would reply with, "because I felt like just giving some insight if not just provoking others such as yourself to get involved on the subject." |
Levet Darasuum
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.08 03:00:00 -
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On such subjects as these if one were to just say, "ok, i agree" it would almost be disappointing. Even someone who is devil's advocate or a naysayer who internally agrees but still questions would be enjoyable so long as you are not a jester just wasting time. |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
243
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Posted - 2013.09.08 03:32:00 -
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Levet Darasuum wrote:I know I look good but I am no female. Ah-- hm. Apologies. Actually, I had noticed. Somehow, my text forgot.
Quote:I am not religious, but I am philisophical. My lifestyle has morphed into one where philosophy is symbiotic, and it can sometimes be dangerous for someone who has to take orders from time to time. Haha. ... I see. Your philosophical bent has been unwelcome in places?
Quote:I am not selling my ideas. If I did there would be a copyright symbol flashed after every sentence and a lawyer behind me. That was never really the suspicion, Mr. Darasuum. The suspicion was more that you are employing philosophy as a gimmick, rather than a genuine focus.
People have been known to wax poetic when recruiting.
Still, that appears either not to be the case or to be sufficiently distant from it. Were I less attached to my current position, I might be interested. Sadly, my own concerns are inconsistent with a purely mercenary, unaligned outlook.
There are things I want protected. If you cannot help, it seems you will be at least worth talking to from time to time.
Quote:like anyone else, I think my current way is best. But unlike some, I recognize the next way will be even better. It is for that reason that I stay open to new ideas and debate with my corpmates, friends and even rivals so that my introspection can evolve into a better state of being. I believe that if I share these thougts, facts, statements, etc, then people will follow on their own and eventually come around to my way of thinking if not get ahead of me to an even better one.
If an individual or group of individuals do not or will not recognize the insight presented then they are quite frankly ignorant that in some part has to do with their pride and ego. They would be unwilling to change but it is a universal rule that things change. Their ignorance of the universal way of things would be seen as a weskness which would be eventually exploited and potentially removed along with their existance depending on how stubborn they are. Those that don't evolve, die off.-áSounds harsh now that I hear it outside of my head but the truth can be that way. There are a lot of people who miss a lot of insights a whole lot of the time, Mr. Darasuum. Many Federal insights are no doubt lost on me because I do not see the world as they do. My own sense of what it means to let go of ego is bizarre to most Federals.
For that matter, the Blood Raiders as a society cling tight to one very specific insight that they insist encompasses all of reality: the value of power. Miserably, they're close enough to right for their outlook to be a functional one.
Come to think of it, they decorate their views with language similar to yours: the language of survival, advantage, and weakness.
It's perhaps difficult to describe seeing all the glories of the universe in terms of power as a weakness, but it seems an unnecessarily harsh way to weigh the value of, for example, a friendship. Then again, they also focus on ego, where you seem to discard it.
What purpose do you see yourself as serving, if it is not ego? |
Galm Fae
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.09.08 03:54:00 -
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You mistake ego with pride. Pride is the toxin that invades a mind and drives it to believing it can not possibly fail. Those who survive on the battlefield long enough begin to believe they are invincible. When that happens, you either become a slave to your pride until the day you are met with crushing failure or you abandon that pride and learn to survive without it.
Pride, honor, and chivalry is what sets us up for failure.
Ego on the other hand is ones sense of self. It is what separates you from the rest of creation. It liberates you, gives you a chance to become something more than you could ever have imagined. It is ego that both sparks wars and makes peace. Ego can let a man soar of send him into the ground based on what he does with his gift of life.
Ego gives you a choice.
Someone once told me there are three kinds of soldiers. Those who seek strength, those who live for pride, and those who can read the tide of battle. So tell me, which are you? |
Furui
DUST University Ivy League
11
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Posted - 2013.09.08 05:17:00 -
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Levet Darasuum wrote:Furui wrote:
Then what do you stand for? I find it hard to believe a man who stands for nothing, and yet spouts idiocracies about being a factor. A factor? A man who does not stand for even his own race is a man who has not proven himself to be a factor. He only proves himself to be a double-edged knife that cuts both his allies and enemies.
Stand for your race, soldier. Or dont stand at all.
Firstly Gallente are not a race, in fact none of the factions are just a singular race. And even if i had allegiance to the Gallente Federation it would not br because of it's composition of genes, but rather their system of government, success, and means as well as intended ends. Where I come from there is a saying. It goes something like, "nobody cares who your father was, only the father you'll be." i hold that saying to more than just parental meaning. I fight not for my race. Because that could lead to supremacy and be seen as such. I do fight for myself and my personal desires, but that leads into the subject of desire and most likely greed. If you were to ask. "why are you giving this information about being a factor" then I would reply with, "because I felt like just giving some insight if not just provoking others such as yourself to get involved on the subject."
Race is a classification system used to categorize humans into large and distinct populations or groups by anatomical, cultural, ethnic, genetic, geographical, historical, linguistic, religious, or social affiliation.
Once born to a bloodline in the Gallente faction, you are already integrated to its race in terms of all the bolded items in the italicized definition of the word Race. Anatomical being the odd one out since all factions have the same anatomical features. On the contrary, you used Race on your fourth paragraph to describe the Gallente, which solidifies my resolution that the Gallente, as a whole, are a Race.
On the subject of Race and Supremacy, it is vital that you consider where you are from and from whose bossom you have fed when you were but a tiny specimen of a Gallente. Your ancestors are Gallente. You are Gallente. You will be Gallente. You cannot escape your own blood.
So, what is Pride? Pride is what you make it to be. Selfish Pride? Yes. Selfless Pride? Yes. To be selfless and prideful is to stand up to what is right and true and believe it without a doubt. You race, which has reared you into your existence to this very moment is the most deserving of this. Turning your back on our Nation? That is unacceptable.
War is at hand soldier. Lines are drawn and decisions are made. The question is: what will you make of yourself?
A Proud Gallente serving his motherland with his all? Or a coward in search of glory undivine? You choose.
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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
428
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Posted - 2013.09.08 06:01:00 -
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Levet Darasuum wrote:Age, how can it be a weakness when it gives nothing but experience, because knowledge is power. Pain, how can it be a weakness if it gives nothing but perspective, because motivation is power. Loss, how can it make you hurt if you have nothing to lose, because attachment is a vulnerability.
My brothers and sisters. We cast aside these trivial weakness of mortals and replace them with strengths of our own. I stand before you not as better, not as a lesser, i am a factor. A factor of power, destruction and change.
Like death, the phoenix is eternal. Like my name, Darasuum, its meaning of forever changing. death is eternal, but never the same. When a phoenix dies, it is reborn from its own ashes. Death is a different path, one we will tred as death incarnate, as the Phoenix Federation.
There are those that usd their abilities as a means for their ego. But an ego is an ignorant lie. Ego is a weakness. Do not be weak my brothers and sisters. Be the factor, the factor of death, be the phoenix. Death might not affect us, loss for us is nothing but a financial inconvenience, but the pain is still there and present. Death is still a part of our daily lives, and when you have died countless times, constantly waking up in a body that is not yours, things start getting a little blurry. You start to think: "Is this body mine? Am I the one pulling the trigger, moving the legs and speaking the words? What makes me, me when the body I was just in is nothing but a smoking corpse?".
Battles are sometimes nothing but a blur of pain, blood and thumping. Sometimes when I walk in battle, I do not know if I'm going to turn right, left, or just stop and fall onto my knees. When I talk to my squadmates in battles, sometimes I feel like they do not make any sense at all, they're nothing but a series of words spouted out like a drone instructed to do what it is told.
Death and pain might be irrelevant for you, but believe me, they are not. I have witnessed the effects of constant pain and death in myself, it is not pleasant. |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
243
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Posted - 2013.09.08 06:09:00 -
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Furui wrote:... Race and Supremacy ... where you are from and from whose bossom you have fed ... ancestors ... cannot escape your own blood....
... believe it without a doubt.... Turning your back ... unacceptable.
War is at hand.... Proud ... serving his motherland with his all? Or a coward.... You choose. Edited for key characteristics.
Wherever you go, it seems such people and their arguments are always the same. That said, I wasn't really expecting this tone from a Gallentean. It's usually seemed that Gallentean reactionaries have tended to make their arguments in terms of portraying the Caldari as barbarians who threaten Gallentean freedoms and such, rather than a naked appeal to blood and group identity. |
velos ALKARI
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
91
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Posted - 2013.09.08 06:44:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Levet Darasuum wrote:Indeed, Ryeon. The Gallente Federation is the faction from which I hail from. But a great many of my relatives are from any of the four factions. The Phoenix Federation is where my allegiance lies. All four factions of New Eden have their flaws, which is why I do not side with them and chose the life of the mercenary.
At the same time each faction is where it is now because of their unique implimentation of strengths. Though I find your statement, maybe your request, vague. What is it you seek? Fight for the Gallente and you shall die like the rest. There is no mercy for the heathens, and the corrupt.
And i suppose alleigance to the amarr grants a position of honor? I doubt it..more likely a cell and duties. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1774
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Posted - 2013.09.08 08:10:00 -
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velos ALKARI wrote:True Adamance wrote:Levet Darasuum wrote:Indeed, Ryeon. The Gallente Federation is the faction from which I hail from. But a great many of my relatives are from any of the four factions. The Phoenix Federation is where my allegiance lies. All four factions of New Eden have their flaws, which is why I do not side with them and chose the life of the mercenary.
At the same time each faction is where it is now because of their unique implimentation of strengths. Though I find your statement, maybe your request, vague. What is it you seek? Fight for the Gallente and you shall die like the rest. There is no mercy for the heathens, and the corrupt. And i suppose alleigance to the amarr grants a position of honor? I doubt it..more ikely a cell and duties.
My position is honourable enough. I am one of His avenging angels.
My cell is my home, my duties my purpose, my Faith is my life. |
Levet Darasuum
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.08 17:47:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:-á... I see. Your philosophical bent has been unwelcome in places?
I wouldn't say unwelcome, instead i'd say innapropriate. There are times to question and there are times to obey. Philosophy is a luxury I can employ on my past time but I shouldn't be asking philisophical question while my focus is needed on keeping my team alive.
I haven't gotten any indication i've been annoying or bothersome to my corpmates with any philisophical questions though they are usually in passing. Mostly that is because they are more interested in discribing past battles and kills just as in detail as the last person they made love to.
Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:-áThat was never really the suspicion, Mr. Darasuum. The suspicion was more that you are employing philosophy as a gimmick, rather than a genuine focus.
ah, I see what you mean. I am not a recruiter. My corp has been recieving an influx of members on its own accord so there isn't any need for me to recruit.
I added my corporation to the speech more as an afterthought/ relative relation to the context given. As well there are some mercenaries who have not foumd a comfortable setting or an efficient one for that matter to properly accomplish any advice given. After all, what is the point of my advice if someone learns from it but cannot utilize it. It would be like giving someone a skill book in forge guns and then saying "sorry, you can't buy forge guns, or heavy suits, or heavy damage modifiers, or anything that would make you an actually decent threat in relation to the skill you just learned."
But my advice was meant for more than just the mercenaries fresh from their home. I'd like to fight against and along side those that I would be proud to call my friends and enemies.
I would like to assist in some way or another. The outlooks presented do not concern just the patriot mercs but all immortals, even capsuleers though I'm not that experienced in their...happenings.
Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:-áFor that matter, the Blood Raiders as a society cling tight to one very specific insight that they insist encompasses all of reality: the value of power. Miserably, they're close enough to right for their outlook to be a functional one.
Come to think of it, they decorate their views with language similar to yours: the language of survival, advantage, and weakness.
It's perhaps difficult to describe seeing all the glories of the universe in terms of power as a weakness, but it seems an unnecessarily harsh way to weigh the value of, for example, a friendship. Then again, they also focus on ego, where you seem to discard it.
What purpose do you see yourself as serving, if it is not ego?
I would more likely align myself factionally with one of the pirate groups but even they have their limitations. Like you said with regards to the Blood Raiders, they have ego, more so than some would think. But at the same time the Guristas are equally egotistical as well as having ties to one faction or the other. Mordu's Legion, perhaps that is an apt example, though still up for debate. Still, out of the dozens if not hundreds of mercenary corps and others that will employ my services why not just join a seperate unaligned independent corp. that's why i'm in the Phoenix Federation.
For some people Phx Fed is nothing but a logical corp to make ISK in and have some good team work as well as not have to worry about too much fresh meat like some of the bigger corps.
Galm Fae wrote:-áYou mistake ego with pride. Pride is the toxin that invades a mind and drives it to believing it can not possibly fail. Those who survive on the battlefield long enough begin to believe they are invincible. When that happens, you either become a slave to your pride until the day you are met with crushing failure or you abandon that pride and learn to survive without it.-á
Pride, honor, and chivalry is what sets us up for failure.-á
Ego on the other hand is one's sense of self. It is what separates you from the rest of creation. It liberates you, gives you a chance to become something more than you could ever have imagined. It is ego that both sparks wars and makes peace. Ego can let a man soar of send him into the ground based on what he does with his gift of life.
Your arguement is quite interesting abd touches on a number of parrallels. I'll focus on each individually.
Ego and pride are akin to a square and a rectangle. All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. Ego is a form of pride in my opinion.
Pride can be self consuming and in a strong narcasistic form that is an egotistical individual. But what if one were proud of their offspring making a humble acomishment for a past event but have no accesive confidence in any future acomplishments.
It is when pride, arrogance, confidence, what ever name you give it, goes into your future in the form of self overestimation that is what i'm pointing out.
I feel that we agree on the fact that overestimating one's self is a weakness but what we as individuals discribe this attitude to be is where we differ. Am i wrong to asume that? |
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Levet Darasuum
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.08 17:58:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:Pride, honor, and chivalry is what sets us up for failure. ... Someone once told me there are three kinds of soldiers. Those who seek strength, those who live for pride, and those who can read the tide of battle. So tell me, which are you?
In both statements you mention honor. It is tied to pride but I feel is a seperate subject, one that truthfully I have little experience in.
As for what type of soldier I am, it's hard to say as two out of the three types above are motive and the third is a skill, but not a reason.
I cannot read the tides of battle, not as well as others and not well enough to be of much use except theoretical planning and hindsight. Analysis perhaps but that is where my tactical awareness ends.
Strength, I already have it. Immortality gives me strength. Strength is a means to an end for me, but not the end itself. It is a chapter but not the book. Pride, perhaps, I seek battle because it is what I'm good at. I get paid and become successful. When i become successful there are yet higher tiers to conquer. Becoming stronger out of pride who can read the tides of battle, what type of soldier is that?-á
My base desires are to continue life, to continue existing and you can't live without stimulation. Stimulation can take the form of a mural on a wall with bright colors, and daring symbolism. Stimulation can take the form of a flower, and its scent reminding you of years past. Maybe an adrenaline rush when plunging into battle or the audacity of commiting a crime. These are all stimulating things that show us we are alive, even if we are immortal.
Contrast, struggle and conflict gives contrast. A decomposing body veersus a sweet perfume. Some choose one out of comforted and subconcious desire for their tastes in stimulation while some other individuals discribed perhaps as morbid, sadistic if not worse would choose the cadaver due to its audacity and opposition to the natural norm. For that in itself goves stimulation.
My point is that I live to continue living. I seek stimulation, I seek experience. To do that i continue to get stronger so that i can, like some teeenagers would put it, "get to the next level" but what happens when you compete the levels? What happens in the final form. That my fellow mercenary, is what many might call godhood. Once you attain godhood, true godhood, you ARE invincible. If you are invicible there is no struggle, then there is no contrast, then no stimulation. It would be akin to losing all of your senses, if not worse.
If that day ever comes, where i or humanity is on the verge of godhood. I will deny myself and everyone else that hell.
so simply put, I fight for conflict and stimulation. I fight to live.
Furui wrote:-áRace is a classification system used to categorize humans into large and distinct populations or groups by anatomical, cultural, ethnic, genetic, geographical, historical, linguistic, religious, or social affiliation.
Once born to a bloodline in the Gallente faction, you are already integrated to its race in terms of all the bolded items in the italicized definition of the word Race. Anatomical being the odd one out since all factions have the same anatomical features. On the contrary, you used Race on your fourth paragraph to describe the Gallente, which solidifies my resolution that the Gallente, as a whole, are a Race.
The text book defanition does not necessarily apply as it can be argued who is the one that has the power to cassify these groups of people. I do not recognize race as relative even if it were as concise as a classification of species.
When i spoke of race i meant my race as in a human mutt. My race is not gallente, it is not religion, it is not biologically related, geographical, or many number of the above possibilities of catagorization. Still i suppose you could consider it cultural, perhaps historical, but that is generally where it ends.
Still I would not discribe it as my race. Though i seem to have contradicted myself earlier. I suppose what i should have said was "I fight not for the faction in which I was born into."
Furui wrote: On the subject of Race and Supremacy, it is vital that you consider where you are from and from whose bossom you have fed when you were but a tiny specimen of a Gallente. Your ancestors are Gallente. You are Gallente. You will be Gallente. You cannot escape your own blood. -á
i cannot choose how other people see me. There are many eyes with many facets a d lenses. If other people wish to lump me in with a group I myself don't choose to align mysel with then that is their choice. All i can do is say "i'm not with those guys"
Furui wrote:-áSo, what is Pride? Pride is what you make it to be. Selfish Pride? Yes. Selfless Pride? Yes. To be selfless and prideful is to stand up to what is right and true and believe it without a doubt. You race, which has reared you into your existence to this very moment is the most deserving of this. Turning your back on our Nation? That is unacceptable.
Hahahahaha. You are trully amusing. The act of being selfless is a lie. Nothing you do is selfless, ever. Every act, every thought is based on selfish desire. Iif you want something, such as donating to a charity, it is still selfish because it is what YOU want, it is what YOU desire. You desire that charity to posses your money to be successful, you want it to be successful and tgen you feel good. And then maybe you can't help but want to feel good, some people even NEED to feel good. Do you see what i'm saying? Do you hear what i'm showing you?
That also begs the question "what is right? What is wrong?" the correct answer is *---censored---* Of course i could always say nothing is but that itself is yet again in the eye of the beholder. So a more apt answer would be it all depends on you desires and perspective. |
Levet Darasuum
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.08 18:04:00 -
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Furui wrote: A Proud Gallente serving his motherland with his all? Or a coward in search of glory undivine? You choose.
An ultimatum? I'll let you decide for me since you seem content on judging me already. Tis one of the flaws of the Gallente Federation, to judge outwardly before seeing the flaws that lie and fester within.
Denak Kalamari wrote:-áDeath and pain might be irrelevant for you, but believe me, they are not. I have witnessed the effects of constant pain and death in myself, it is not pleasant.
quite the contrary. I don'y enjoy it, but I understand its necessity and recognize its place in my life. The fact that imI don't enjoy it makes me apriciate it. Contrast.
velos ALKARI wrote:-áWherever you go, it seems such people and their arguments are always the same. That said, I wasn't really expecting this tone from a Gallentean. It's usually seemed that Gallentean reactionaries have tended to make their arguments in terms of portraying the Caldari as barbarians who threaten Gallentean freedoms and such, rather than a naked appeal to blood and group identity.
The Caldari were once part of the Gallente Federation, many seem to forget this. I do not see myself as Gallente. In the past I grew up and you could say that it is a "flavor" that most people often see me as nothing but Gallente. But Caldari are not barbarians. Far from it, an admerable adversary and a good paying employer.-á
Everyone is a fish, they each have their hunger and their bite. I am no different. I just don't swim with the same current or pack as others. But iI don't wish to come off as a wanna be lone wolf...fish. |
Galm Fae
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.09.08 21:58:00 -
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You seem to miss my point. Firstly, I would like to reaffirm that ego is not the same as pride. That isn't a matter of opinion, it is a matter of syntax. The true meaning of ego, when left uncorrupted by people who fail to grasp the concept of individuality, is the simple fact of being. I am Galm Fae, you are Levet, he is Adamance. It is liberation from the we. Rather than hivemind driven insects that squander under logs in the brush we are developed enough to be sentient, individual beings. That is the greatest strength humanity has over every other blasted animal in the cluster.
Ego is liberty free of the corruption of governments or the opportunists of anarchy. Liberty, you will find, is a value that both we Caldari and you Gallente have in common. The really messy bits comes when we ask ourselves how we might achieve this liberty. Nevertheless, I expect even a kakku like you to understand how important ego truly is.
As for the three soldiers, you again fail to grasp this question. I suppose I wlll spare you the effort of having to decode the meaning for yourself and spell it out for you. It is an allegory, not to be taken literally.
The soldier seeking strength is a true mercenary. He fights with brutal aggression and pays no heed to constraints such as honor, dignity, or mercy. He may either see power as a means to an end or an end itself, but it matters little. As long as he can achieve his goals through the destruction of battle, he is at peace with himself.
The soldier that lives for pride is the knight. He is bound to a code of honor that he cannot break. He is seen as a hero to some, and arrogant to others. His pride is sure to kill him one day, but he knows he will die with honor and shall be judged the better man. As long as he keeps to his code, he knows that the goddess of war shall smile upon him.
The soldier who can read the tide of battle is the warrior. He can ascertain a situation in an instant and is capable of making difficult moral calls not based on honor or a lack thereof, but because his decisions can reshaped a battleground. As long as he leaves his mark on history, he is content.
Those are the three. I don't know, maybe only Caldari can understand.... |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.09.08 23:17:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:You seem to miss my point. Firstly, I would like to reaffirm that ego is not the same as pride. That isn't a matter of opinion, it is a matter of syntax. The true meaning of ego, when left uncorrupted by people who fail to grasp the concept of individuality, is the simple fact of being. I am Galm Fae, you are Levet, he is Adamance. It is liberation from the we. Rather than hivemind driven insects that squander under logs in the brush we are developed enough to be sentient, individual beings. That is the greatest strength humanity has over every other blasted animal in the cluster.
Ego is liberty free of the corruption of governments or the opportunists of anarchy. Liberty, you will find, is a value that both we Caldari and you Gallente have in common. The really messy bits comes when we ask ourselves how we might achieve this liberty. Nevertheless, I expect even a kakku like you to understand how important ego truly is.
As for the three soldiers, you again fail to grasp this question. I suppose I wlll spare you the effort of having to decode the meaning for yourself and spell it out for you. It is an allegory, not to be taken literally.
The soldier seeking strength is a true mercenary. He fights with brutal aggression and pays no heed to constraints such as honor, dignity, or mercy. He may either see power as a means to an end or an end itself, but it matters little. As long as he can achieve his goals through the destruction of battle, he is at peace with himself.
The soldier that lives for pride is the knight. He is bound to a code of honor that he cannot break. He is seen as a hero to some, and arrogant to others. His pride is sure to kill him one day, but he knows he will die with honor and shall be judged the better man. As long as he keeps to his code, he knows that the goddess of war shall smile upon him.
The soldier who can read the tide of battle is the warrior. He can ascertain a situation in an instant and is capable of making difficult moral calls not based on honor or a lack thereof, but because his decisions can reshaped a battleground. As long as he leaves his mark on history, he is content.
Those are the three. I don't know, maybe only Caldari can understand....
An admirable concept.
However only the weak place their faith in equality when such a concept is entirely implausible. |
Galm Fae
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Posted - 2013.09.08 23:54:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
An admirable concept.
However only the weak place their faith in equality when such a concept is entirely implausible.
Which is exactly why liberty is not the same as equality.
Ironic that you should comment on my thoughts, considering I find you a perfect example of the knight. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.09.09 00:07:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:True Adamance wrote:
An admirable concept.
However only the weak place their faith in equality when such a concept is entirely implausible.
Which is exactly why liberty is not the same as equality. Ironic that you should comment on my thoughts, considering I find you a perfect example of the knight. I do not live for pride I live for duty. |
Ins3rt Stoicism
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.09 07:27:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:-áYou seem to miss my point. Firstly, I would like to reaffirm that ego is not the same as pride. That isn't a matter of opinion, it is a matter of syntax. The true meaning of ego, when left uncorrupted by people who fail to grasp the concept of individuality, is the simple fact of being. I am Galm Fae, you are Levet, he is Adamance. It is liberation from the we. Rather than hivemind driven insects that squander under logs in the brush we are developed enough to be sentient, individual beings. That is the greatest strength humanity has over every other blasted animal in the cluster.-á
Ego is liberty free of the corruption of governments or the opportunists of anarchy. Liberty, you will find, is a value that both we Caldari and you Gallente have in common. The really messy bits comes when we ask ourselves how we might achieve this liberty. Nevertheless, I expect even a kakku like you to understand how important ego truly is.
Ah. My regrets. I stand corrected. It would appear I meant in the "corrupted" sense then. But such is the way of language. I wish I had a syntax-tionary next to my dictionary though that would just be under that catagory of common knowledge. Thank you for your indication though i'm sure many can still grasp the meaning of my words. However, corrupted they may be.
Galm Fae wrote:-áAs for the three soldiers, you again fail to grasp this question. I suppose I wlll spare you the effort of having to decode the meaning for yourself and spell it out for you. It is an allegory, not to be taken literally.-á
The soldier seeking strength is a true mercenary. He fights with brutal aggression and pays no heed to constraints such as honor, dignity, or mercy. He may either see power as a means to an end or an end itself, but it matters little. As long as he can achieve his goals through the destruction of battle, he is at peace with himself.
The soldier that lives for pride is the knight. He is bound to a code of honor that he cannot break. He is seen as a hero to some, and arrogant to others. His pride is sure to kill him one day, but he knows he will die with honor and shall be judged the better man. As long as he keeps to his code, he knows that the goddess of war shall smile upon him.-á
The soldier who can read the tide of battle is the warrior. He can ascertain a situation in an instant and is capable of making difficult moral calls not based on honor or a lack thereof, but because his decisions can reshaped a battleground. As long as he leaves his mark on history, he is content.-á
Those are the three. I don't know, maybe only Caldari can understand....
quite a turn in subjects here. First you speak of factual and literal syntax with regard to ego then you switch to symbolism, allusions and the like with the soldiers. Perhaps there in lies the source of my confusion.
Still, life is not the simple. Nothing is. I do not see it as such. There are not three colors in existance, there are not six. There an an infinite number of colors that are easily mixed. You nore I nore anyone is just yellow, red or blue. Rarely is someone just the soldier of strength, or the one of pride, and perhaps most rare of all is the tactical soldier. Though I already said my peice earlier.
True Adamance wrote:-áI do not live for pride I live for duty.
but don't you take pride in your duty. I agree with Galm. You seem to be a knight, though not on the popular culture sense. |
Galm Fae
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:28:00 -
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Quote:quite a turn in subjects here. First you speak of factual and literal syntax with regard to ego then you switch to symbolism, allusions and the like with the soldiers. Perhaps there in lies the source of my confusion. Ah yes. I suppose in our profession it is rare that anyone should encounter someone with an understanding and appreciation of concepts such as rhetoric, diction, decorum, and poetry. Let alone from an uneducated halfbreed-bastard of a mercenary who grew up without much formal education. I can assure you however that those all in fact play a part in my speaking and I apologize if it can be hard for some people to keep up.
Perhaps I will stick to laymen's terms when posting from now on and be charmingly frank with my statements. Spirits know I have enough practice at that.
Quote:Still, life is not the simple. Nothing is. I do not see it as such. There are not three colors in existence, there are not six. There an an infinite number of colors that are easily mixed. You nore I nore anyone is just yellow, red or blue. Rarely is someone just the soldier of strength, or the one of pride, and perhaps most rare of all is the tactical soldier. Though I already said my peice earlier.
Well-natured-trash-talking aside for a moment, Ins3rt-haan, I am well aware that these three forms of soldiers do not manifest perfectly in all aspects. I know (perhaps more than you might expect) that there are shades of grey. Still, Caldari culture... Your culture... Runs deep with a history of taught lessons and guidance from the Wind spirits. I was of course referring to a tidbit of mythology revolving around the exploits of Storm Wind.
You know, the one about the Demon Lord and the three soldiers? Perhaps not I suppose. I always found myself captivated with these stories as a child, and they served as inspiration to bolster my national pride. Then again, I suppose a deserter like you who has abandoned the love of his State for the Phoenix Federation wouldn't know anything about his own heritage.
The lesson stands that we must ask ourselves what we are truly fighting for. Or own interests, those we care for, or those above us.
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Seaman Xanthos
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.10 03:23:00 -
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If you all would be so kind to allow me to interject and if you do mind, then pay no heed to whatever I may be speaking.
In context, I do believe the "ego" portion to be correct, ego involves just "me" and you have said that it raises us above every other species or living specimen. Raise sounds so...glorifying. You believe the human race as a whole due to ego is better off than any other sentient creature? Then you, my dear friend are a fool. A complete and utterly helpless fellow who does not realize what is in front of him even if said thing is at eye level.
Now now, before you get angry and go on about rage and me insulting you, let me enlighten your mind and everyone else enjoying themselves on this barge about how bad true ego is.
Yes, we as humans have a deeper thought process than any other known species. We have the ability to think of just ourselves, the "me" factor or as called, egotistical. This is the worst thing possible we as humans can do. We are still animals, even though we have a larger brain capacity, we have those run or fight instincts every single animal in existence has. We are no different than them as they are no different than us.
This theory is proven in battle, men in packs or squads survive, the lone person dies which in turn equals suffering. Having that just "me" factor equals suffering and the longer you believe that true ego is great for the common human or merc, or raises us above others the longer you shall suffer as a person. Due to that, I pity you. I truly pity the ones who believe ego equals dominance.
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Levet Darasuum
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.10 11:23:00 -
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Thank you Ins3rt for your assistance. The tram was down again and for some reason this man named scotty gave me the wrong directions. Anyways i'll tell you about it latter.
Xanthos, it is good to see you. I was wondering if you would come and stop by. I'd ask how are things but i'm sure we allready know the answer.
Galm, I'm not sure if you are trying to get some reaction of emotion from me or are just saying things that are insilting because you can and I won't do anything but it doesn't matter. It is irrelivant, I was just enjoying our discussion. Our concersation has no doubt been overheard by some others aboard and like adding water to a greass fire the flames of inlightenment splash outward with every drop. Perhaps that isn't a good example...no matter.
I'll wait any lfurther response because due to Xanthos' activity no doubt you wish to comment further which may bring more attention to the subject which in turn I wish to occure.
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Galm Fae
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.09.10 22:09:00 -
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Xanthos-haan, I advocate liberty, not dominance. Personally, I would rather take my own liberty over a secure hivemind of the masses anyway. If you disagree with that than you can by all means blast yourself off to null-sec and see how much you enjoy a world without ego as a part of Sansha's Nation.
I also find it interesting how so many people these days conclude that any man who is capable of holding an aggressive debate must be seeking an emotional responce. Granted, we are immortals. Something could in fact come of this. I could just as easily call you out and command you to suit up and fight if that was what I was seeking, but where would that get both of us? Just slightly more angry with slightly less ISK. I'm not looking to cause a fight, but I figure in our profession hazing is an occupational hazard, so get used to it.
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Levet Darasuum
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:16:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:Xanthos-haan, I advocate liberty, not dominance. Personally, I would rather take my own liberty over a secure hivemind of the masses anyway. If you disagree with that than you can by all means blast yourself off to null-sec and see how much you enjoy a world without ego as a part of Sansha's Nation.
I also find it interesting how so many people these days conclude that any man who is capable of holding an aggressive debate must be seeking an emotional responce. Granted, we are immortals. Something could in fact come of this. I could just as easily call you out and command you to suit up and fight if that was what I was seeking, but where would that get both of us? Just slightly more angry with slightly less ISK. I'm not looking to cause a fight, but I figure in our profession hazing is an occupational hazard, so get used to it.
Even though you are talking to Xantho i'll interject. Being a member of Sansha's nation/hivemind/zombie horde is not exactly the same as having bo ego. Though this depends on the context of ego amd which meaning you use. Technically we also don't have any real liberty dependin on what theoretical and philisophical outlook on existance you have. Some believe there to be no true freedom because everything is just a "chemical reaction" that is continuing on in a predestined form that even recognizing it would not change it because recognizing it as such was predestined.
But, on a second note, i advocate liberty as well over dominance. Liberty from one's base urges or complexs that can be a vulnerability. Being free of another's control is not very good if you are a slave to your own weakness and primal desires. I'm simply saying, don't be arrogant, pretentious, or even confident for that matter.
I was unsure, as I stated if you were trying to trigger an emotional response. Many individuals do not seek to make progress, only conquest. As such they seek to defeat their oposition instead of learn from them and their experiences in the process. |
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