DUST Search - Noob-shooting the MCC: Noobishness or Genius??

Asmodeus Reinhart wrote:

AAGMUNDR wrote:

There are one or two maps where the heavy rail cannon installations can reach the mcc. And they can do damage. But only the rail cannon for some reason. And it does such a small fraction that its not worth it. Tested with MATH.

Missile tanks hurt it too. So do forge guns, blaster tanks, and anything with enough reach out and touch. But when you're doing damage in the thousand or so range against something with 4M shield/armor. Well, it takes a long... long... Flippin' time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NteiLmObh28&feature=youtube_gdata_player

This is the last 2 minutes. For claritys sake, their MCC health and ours were the same when we started. About 3 ticks off of full. You can see how much of a difference shooting it makes over a long period of time. And the video does show the post screen after you blow it up.

Spoiler, no unicorns. Sadly the payout didn't match the work involved. Truly an easter egg / trophy, couple million isk... 1 day booster... Something should have turned up for blowing up an MCC manually. It TAKES A LONG TIME.

1.4 makes me sad.


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Jak'Saan 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 20	Posted - 2013.09.04 02:00:00 - [1] - Quote So while we were stuck in an Ashlands Domination with the only Null Cannon broken (blocked by the building) me and 3 of my corp-mates and one guy from A.N.O.N.A.M.O.U.S. decided to test out the noob-theory. Since the only null-cannon was blocked and the entire red team rage quit (there may have been some redlining involved. Did you know you could run completely around most of the buildings in their redline, take a second or two to kill someone who has spawned in, and still have seconds to spare when you get out the other side of the building?) our MCCs were mutually at 50% shield and 100% armor. After about 30 minutes of trying to crash the A.N.O.N.A.M.O.U.S. guy's LAV's and tanks by eject crashing my LAV into him and his vehicles, and jarring his dropship enough to make him crash into the ground and almost blowing up, he hid, and I got bored. So I jumped into my LAV's missile turret and as though I were angrily shaking my fist at the CCP gods themselves, I began shooting the enemy MCC. And then I saw it... Soon I started to notice that Their MCC had 1/2 a bar less then ours. As soon as my corp-mates confirmed what I saw (and believed me) they each chimed in calling lav's and Tanks, and now the enemy MCC was 3 bars less than ours! Even our A.N.O.N.A.M.O.U.S. friend was a believer! I zealously drove my LAV around the map frantically searching for any large turret and quickly abandoned my old-faithful for the bigger stronger gun! We were going to be the first ones EVER! History in the making!!!! 11,000 + kills and 1 MCC. My camera ready to for the End of Battle screen to show everyone just how much damage I had done! What would happen? How many war points for killing an MCC??????? ... The last time I checked, the enemy MCC was around nine whole bars less than ours with only about 30% Armor remaining... and then, like a CCP bully with their arm extended, palm pushing back on my forehead while I swung my short, stubby arms as hard as I could, the CCP bully got bored. We were all suicided and ejected out of the game, no End of Match screen, no credit, no nothing. Thus ended my first day in Dust 514 version 1.4. So shooting the MCC does help.
Jak'Saan 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 22	Posted - 2013.09.04 02:09:00 - [2] - Quote So close... Shout-out to Face, Night and Krypts and that A.N.O.N.A.M.O.U.S. guy... I almost had your Viper, buddy... We'll always have that.
Jak'Saan 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 26	Posted - 2013.09.04 02:47:00 - [3] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: How did you manage to misspell the easiest corp name in Dust 514? Sorry buddy, it was too annoying to spell over and over again, and it wouldn't spell check and I didn't really care enough before I copied it and pasted it over and over. But it's fixed now.
Jak'Saan 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 26	Posted - 2013.09.04 02:59:00 - [4] - Quote Rubico wrote: The extra damage was probably the result of a few null missiles from the cannon getting through. ... Why would some of them get through the BUILDING and other not? not likely. Try it!
Jak'Saan 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 26	Posted - 2013.09.04 03:13:00 - [5] - Quote Zekain K wrote: This is interesting. I mean, the stats say you deal 0% damage when you aim at an mcc, so it really should be doing anything. I'm going to forge snipe that thing to oblivion tomorrow. Just remember we had our Corp's tanker, at least 2 LAV missile turrets, a Large Missile installation and about two hours of idle match time before we were kicked. The difference is hardly noticeable at first and you can't have ANY Null Cannon interference if you want TRUE results. MCC <-> MCC damage should keep them at the same HP. you need LOTS of damage to make a difference. we only made a difference of about 9 bars
Jak'Saan 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 28	Posted - 2013.09.04 03:46:00 - [6] - Quote 21yrOld Knight wrote: Robin* "Holy cow batman i didn't know the mcc on your utility belt shot missiles to the enemy's mcc to weaken it." Batman "Of course it does robin you should of realized this earlier with a simple tool called your eyes." Batman would never say "should of" as in you "you should of realized this earlier". He might say "should have" or maybe even "should've" which sounds a lot like "should of" only it isn't.
Jak'Saan 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 28	Posted - 2013.09.04 03:46:00 - [7] - Quote Asmodeus Reinhart wrote: We did this today too. A whole squad switched to rail gun tanks and we blew up the MCC. I have it on video. It took 35-40min. Post!!!!
Jak'Saan 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 36	Posted - 2013.09.04 03:59:00 - [8] - Quote Asmodeus Reinhart wrote: We did this today too. A whole squad switched to rail gun tanks and we blew up the MCC. I have it on video. It took 35-40min. You are going to post it right?
Jak'Saan 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 41	Posted - 2013.09.04 12:32:00 - [9] - Quote Asmodeus Reinhart wrote: AAGMUNDR wrote: There are one or two maps where the heavy rail cannon installations can reach the mcc. And they can do damage. But only the rail cannon for some reason. And it does such a small fraction that its not worth it. Tested with MATH. Missile tanks hurt it too. So do forge guns, blaster tanks, and anything with enough reach out and touch. But when you're doing damage in the thousand or so range against something with 4M shield/armor. Well, it takes a long... long... Flippin' time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NteiLmObh28&feature=youtube_gdata_player This is the last 2 minutes. For claritys sake, their MCC health and ours were the same when we started. About 3 ticks off of full. You can see how much of a difference shooting it makes over a long period of time. And the video does show the post screen after you blow it up. Spoiler, no unicorns. Sadly the payout didn't match the work involved. Truly an easter egg / trophy, couple million isk... 1 day booster... Something should have turned up for blowing up an MCC manually. It TAKES A LONG TIME. 1.4 makes me sad. Haters gonna hate! Math that! GJ guys!
Jak'Saan 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 43	Posted - 2013.09.04 13:38:00 - [10] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Lol no it doesn't. I was shooting the MCC with my ADV large missile turret, and a squadmate was shooting with PRO large missiles. Didn't do a thing, even though all missiles hit every time and we had red hit markers. Unless you're practically in the enemy redline, Missiles (yes, even from a Large Turret) explode before reaching the enemy MCC. Blaster rounds don't reach either. Railguns on the other hand... Also, near the end days of Precursor, my girlfriend got a Sniper Rifle MCC kill. Dude have you played Ashlands Domination? you can be just about under the enemy MCC at the redline. Clearly I'm not wrong or we wouldn't have discovered this... Some people.

Jak'Saan 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 45	Posted - 2013.09.04 14:19:00 - [11] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: My point was that, on most maps, you have to move in pretty close to the enemy MCC before missiles will hit. I was actually backing you up against someone claiming that you were wrong, and pointing out that Missiles CAN reach, but often won't, and he was probably shooting from too far away when he tried it. I've so far only been... uhhh... let's say "fortunate"... enough to play one Domination match on Ashland. It was while I was testing Shotguns to try and figure out what was wrong with them. So no, I haven't actually tried aiming for the enemy MCC on that map specifically, but in MOST maps, you need to get pretty close to the redline if you want a chance to hit the target. Ah, my apologies, and thanks! I misread.
Jak'Saan 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 45	Posted - 2013.09.04 15:55:00 - [12] - Quote LuckyLuke Wargan wrote: Make sure to post a vid of you staring and shooting at the MCC "getting it damaged" so the rest of us can laugh at you. But don't believe anything I just wrote, I don't know what I am talking about... This guy already did! it's either that and get your victory, or quit and never get it. 3dge doesn't quit, mostly.
Jak'Saan 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 48	Posted - 2013.09.04 19:17:00 - [13] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Asmodeus Reinhart wrote: The amount of damage you do is painfully low. They basically nerfed your ability to 'just shoot the MCC' most likely by raising the MCC health, and the null cannon damage to a specified amount higher than any team would be capable of dishing out assuming the game was working properly. Actually, they just put ridiculous damage modifiers on every ground-based weapon when shooting the MCC, and didn't apply those modifiers to the MCC's weapons or NULL Cannons. When they first made the change, they still had a permanently-visible "efficiency" rating that popped up on almost every weapon when using fine aim, and players could see the efficiency rating on targeting the MCC. For most weapons, it's 0%, with a few at 1 - 10% (Railguns I believe were at the 10% end of the scale) After all, it's all about balance right?