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Spec Ops Cipher Seraphim Initiative.. 458	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:21:00 - [1] - Quote Here's my sob story. I'm a shotgun scout. Shotguns are useless now and scouts are even worse. Now any player in dust can kill me instantly, using the new lock on system. My deaths per game have gone through the roof as now anyone with 8 bullets left in their AR can kill me on sight. I think i'm gonna have to skill into AR's and heavy suits to survive this, its pure EHP fights now.
Funkmaster Whale 0uter.Heaven 428	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:31:00 - [2] - Quote Spec Ops Cipher wrote: Here's my sob story. I'm a shotgun scout. Shotguns are useless now and scouts are even worse. Now any player in dust can kill me instantly, using the new lock on system. My deaths per game have gone through the roof as now anyone with 8 bullets left in their AR can kill me on sight. I think i'm gonna have to skill into AR's and heavy suits to survive this, its pure EHP fights now. Hit detection fixes on top of ridiculous aim assist are innate nerfs to scouts. It would have been one thing to just fix hit detection issues, but to give this "sticky reticle" thing that's going on to everyone is even worse.
Shotty GoBang Intara Direct Action Caldari State 822	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:34:00 - [3] - Quote Same experience with death-levels today. Our stats and Isk reserves are certain to plummet. Lost alot of fights I should've won versus mediums and heavies ... Not to mention a whole lot of Isk. 17.5M Shotgun Scout (Gallente). Ran Active Scanner all day.
Spec Ops Cipher Seraphim Initiative.. 461	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:38:00 - [4] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Same experience with death-levels today. Our stats and Isk reserves are certain to plummet. Lost alot of fights I should've won versus mediums and heavies ... Not to mention a whole lot of Isk. 17.5M Shotgun Scout (Gallente). Ran Active Scanner all day. 22M Shotgun Scout (Minnie) Also ran active scanner all day. Should point out adv and proto scanners are bugged, they don't mark targets for 15/24 seconds respectively. Its always 5s. Also, I fly pythons on the side, and now I have no willpower to do so, because of the new camera, but those are stories for another thread. Not tonight.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 117	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:41:00 - [5] - Quote IV BEEN SAYING 1.4 WOULD NERF SCOUTS FOR TWO WEEKS NOW WHY DID NO BODY LISTEN
KalOfTheRathi Black Phoenix Mercenaries 622	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:42:00 - [6] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: IV BEEN SAYING 1.4 WOULD NERF SCOUTS FOR TWO WEEKS NOW WHY DID NO BODY LISTEN Most of us go temporarily blind when others SHOUT!
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 117	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:44:00 - [7] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: IV BEEN SAYING 1.4 WOULD NERF SCOUTS FOR TWO WEEKS NOW WHY DID NO BODY LISTEN Most of us go temporarily blind when others SHOUT! My warnings didnt consist of capslock unlike my previous message. Everyone dismised my claims of nerfs to scouts now whos laughing. Im not
DISGRUNTLEDev Ancient Exiles 65	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:48:00 - [8] - Quote We knew. All the scouts who frequent the forums knew. Thank you Captain Obvious.
Abbadon De Luc Ancient Legion 2	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:50:00 - [9] - Quote Are you effin serious. I run militia minnie scout only and it takes about 3 bullets to kill me. Your telling me i should just get rid of the only suit i can troll protos with. No fun in that area anymore
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 117	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:51:00 - [10] - Quote Abbadon De Luc wrote: Are you effin serious. I run militia minnie scout only and it takes about 3 bullets to kill me. Your telling me i should just get rid of the only suit i can troll protos with. No fun in that area anymore It only takes 3 bullets to kill a proto scout as well..........

Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1364	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:53:00 - [11] - Quote I thought no longer being able to see what everyone else can would be a buff to the sneakier fits. But scouts rely the most on situational awareness. We're no longer able to flank enemies since we are less likely to know where they are, or the safest route to them.
Leovarian L Lavitz Better Academy. 622	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:58:00 - [12] - Quote Spec Ops Cipher wrote: Here's my sob story. I'm a shotgun scout. Shotguns are useless now and scouts are even worse. Now any player in dust can kill me instantly, using the new lock on system. My deaths per game have gone through the roof as now anyone with 8 bullets left in their AR can kill me on sight. I think i'm gonna have to skill into AR's and heavy suits to survive this, its pure EHP fights now. Knives
Spec Ops Cipher Seraphim Initiative.. 464	Posted - 2013.09.04 01:00:00 - [13] - Quote Agreed, and it doesn't help that the scanner lets people know they have been scanned. They should change it so that it only lets people that are too sneaky to be scanned know they weren't scanned. If that last sentence even makes sense. The unskilled should be blissfully ignorant.
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 469	Posted - 2013.09.04 01:46:00 - [14] - Quote Two matches an over 20 deaths! I was getting 15 to 20 kills a few days ago, this is ridiculous! I used to always make suggestions an think ccP would be listening but I'm fed up honestly. I got slaughtered today, an it's bloody infuriating when being spotted means death in under 3 seconds, no time to run, duck or shoot back! Been begging for higher base stats, fixed hit box, cloaking, hit detection, scan radius, something that actually makes us more than a weak suit with a sg ! Everything in this game has a niche, scouts is dying! I just don't have the energy to say much more at this point I feel like a broken record, I'm sure we all do
Malcom Xo Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.09.04 01:47:00 - [15] - Quote Spec Ops Cipher wrote: Here's my sob story. I'm a shotgun scout. Shotguns are useless now and scouts are even worse. Now any player in dust can kill me instantly, using the new lock on system. My deaths per game have gone through the roof as now anyone with 8 bullets left in their AR can kill me on sight. I think i'm gonna have to skill into AR's and heavy suits to survive this, its pure EHP fights now. +1. Your tears taste good.
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 410	Posted - 2013.09.04 01:52:00 - [16] - Quote I've been getting my butt kicked today. Sugg.... I will at least give it a go another week to see what ways there are to adapt before I sink into maddening depression and pull out my ugly, slow, plain Jane, 'just like everyone else' medium suit. And I was just getting used to 1.3 and having more and more consistently good games. I was really hoping for an easier time in 1.4.... I thought I was just off my game but seeing all of these posts is depressing.
Spec Ops Cipher Seraphim Initiative.. 476	Posted - 2013.09.04 01:53:00 - [17] - Quote Malcom Xo wrote: Spec Ops Cipher wrote: Here's my sob story. I'm a shotgun scout. Shotguns are useless now and scouts are even worse. Now any player in dust can kill me instantly, using the new lock on system. My deaths per game have gone through the roof as now anyone with 8 bullets left in their AR can kill me on sight. I think i'm gonna have to skill into AR's and heavy suits to survive this, its pure EHP fights now. +1. Your tears taste good. Only a lone tear - rest is bitter resolve.
Malcom Xo Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2013.09.04 01:54:00 - [18] - Quote Spec Ops Cipher wrote: Malcom Xo wrote: Spec Ops Cipher wrote: Here's my sob story. I'm a shotgun scout. Shotguns are useless now and scouts are even worse. Now any player in dust can kill me instantly, using the new lock on system. My deaths per game have gone through the roof as now anyone with 8 bullets left in their AR can kill me on sight. I think i'm gonna have to skill into AR's and heavy suits to survive this, its pure EHP fights now. +1. Your tears taste good. Only a lone tear - rest is bitter resolve. You aren't good with a shotgun anyway so no difference. :)
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1366	Posted - 2013.09.04 01:57:00 - [19] - Quote Malcom Xo wrote: Spec Ops Cipher wrote: Malcom Xo wrote: Spec Ops Cipher wrote: Here's my sob story. I'm a shotgun scout. Shotguns are useless now and scouts are even worse. Now any player in dust can kill me instantly, using the new lock on system. My deaths per game have gone through the roof as now anyone with 8 bullets left in their AR can kill me on sight. I think i'm gonna have to skill into AR's and heavy suits to survive this, its pure EHP fights now. +1. Your tears taste good. Only a lone tear - rest is bitter resolve. You aren't good with a shotgun anyway so no difference. :) Yeah, it's not like he goes shotty scout in PC battles or anything.
Spec Ops Cipher Seraphim Initiative.. 479	Posted - 2013.09.04 02:01:00 - [20] - Quote Malcom Xo wrote: Spec Ops Cipher wrote: Malcom Xo wrote: Spec Ops Cipher wrote: Here's my sob story. I'm a shotgun scout. Shotguns are useless now and scouts are even worse. Now any player in dust can kill me instantly, using the new lock on system. My deaths per game have gone through the roof as now anyone with 8 bullets left in their AR can kill me on sight. I think i'm gonna have to skill into AR's and heavy suits to survive this, its pure EHP fights now. +1. Your tears taste good. Only a lone tear - rest is bitter resolve. You aren't good with a shotgun anyway so no difference. :) Shotty scouts haven't been killers in PC since 1.2. 1.3 made us easy to hit, 1.4 made us even worse and broke shotguns even worse. It's hard to keep up with all the alts these days, so if this is Xero, don't forget I got you 7 times in a row on EU servers 2 weeks ago. Shotgunning from 1000 miles away is pretty difficult eh?

demens grimwulff A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 3	Posted - 2013.09.04 02:06:00 - [21] - Quote Wait... Let me get this right... You call it a nerf when they fix the hit box issue that made it nearly impossible for any class short of just spray and pray to hit a scout? How do you think the rest of the community felt when fighting a scout that literally could not be hit regardless of your own personal accuracy due to the laggy hit box? Grow up .. Sorry you all choose the class with the least armor and shields and die easy upon them fixing the glitches hit boxes... It comes with the territory. Auto Aim is OP though... I will give you that
Oswald Rehnquist Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 175	Posted - 2013.09.04 02:07:00 - [22] - Quote Funny enough my gameplay only dropped to about -50% on kills, I'm now averaging 9/11 ratio. I'm actually happy that I made my switch from an alpha scout to a beta scout though, since my sp potential hasn't changed. I'm just hoping that these recent changes show ccp that giving us really effective ewar and cloaks as scout exclusive is now more justified than ever before.
Spec Ops Cipher Seraphim Initiative.. 479	Posted - 2013.09.04 02:09:00 - [23] - Quote demens grimwulff wrote: Wait... Let me get this right... You call it a nerf when they fix the hit box issue that made it nearly impossible for any class short of just spray and pray to hit a scout? How do you think the rest of the community felt when fighting a scout that literally could not be hit regardless of your own personal accuracy due to the laggy hit box? Grow up .. Sorry you all choose the class with the least armor and shields and die easy upon them fixing the glitches hit boxes... It comes with the territory. Auto Aim is OP though... I will give you that Go dig about for threads back then, most people agreed it was an unnecessary nerf to scouts.
Shotty GoBang Intara Direct Action Caldari State 830	Posted - 2013.09.04 02:10:00 - [24] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: IV BEEN SAYING 1.4 WOULD NERF SCOUTS FOR TWO WEEKS NOW WHY DID NO BODY LISTEN I (for one) honestly didn't believe CCP would knowingly make things worse for Scouts. We've done everything possible to "point" them in the right direction.
pseudosnipre DUST University Ivy League 181	Posted - 2013.09.04 02:12:00 - [25] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Thanks for the videos guys, I'll shoot them over to the devs ASAP.
Dust Project 514 Pistol King 262	Posted - 2013.09.04 02:13:00 - [26] - Quote This is what I was talking about in my thread this morning, but I was mostly shunned.
Shotty GoBang Intara Direct Action Caldari State 833	Posted - 2013.09.04 02:41:00 - [27] - Quote demens grimwulff wrote: Wait... Let me get this right... You call it a nerf when they fix the hit box issue that made it nearly impossible for any class short of just spray and pray to hit a scout? How do you think the rest of the community felt when fighting a scout that literally could not be hit regardless of your own personal accuracy due to the laggy hit box? Grow up .. Sorry you all choose the class with the least armor and shields and die easy upon them fixing the glitches hit boxes... It comes with the territory. Auto Aim is OP though... I will give you that Scouts haven't been "hard-to-hit" since Chromosome. We became quite easy to kill in 1.2. At present, killing us requires little effort whatsoever.
XxWarlordxX97 Ancient Exiles 4465	Posted - 2013.09.04 02:43:00 - [28] - Quote Spec Ops Cipher wrote: Here's my sob story. I'm a shotgun scout. Shotguns are useless now and scouts are even worse. Now any player in dust can kill me instantly, using the new lock on system. My deaths per game have gone through the roof as now anyone with 8 bullets left in their AR can kill me on sight. I think i'm gonna have to skill into AR's and heavy suits to survive this, its pure EHP fights now. Scouts are not Under powered,killed him 6 time in a row
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 472	Posted - 2013.09.04 02:44:00 - [29] - Quote demens grimwulff wrote: Wait... Let me get this right... You call it a nerf when they fix the hit box issue that made it nearly impossible for any class short of just spray and pray to hit a scout? How do you think the rest of the community felt when fighting a scout that literally could not be hit regardless of your own personal accuracy due to the laggy hit box? Grow up .. Sorry you all choose the class with the least armor and shields and die easy upon them fixing the glitches hit boxes... It comes with the territory. Auto Aim is OP though... I will give you that Well if you couldn't shoot one you shoulda used ur mass driver, heard you don't need much skill to use one
Poplo Furuya Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 713	Posted - 2013.09.04 02:51:00 - [30] - Quote So what's up with shotguns now? Hit detection has improved for everything else and worsened for SGs specifically? Been away a while and probably won't find the time to play for a couple of weeks, curious how they could've made every other weapon receive improved detection while leaving the shotgun screwed.

Spec Ops Cipher Seraphim Initiative.. 486	Posted - 2013.09.04 03:02:00 - [31] - Quote Poplo Furuya wrote: So what's up with shotguns now? Hit detection has improved for everything else and worsened for SGs specifically? Been away a while and probably won't find the time to play for a couple of weeks, curious how they could've made every other weapon receive improved detection while leaving the shotgun screwed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTyBKrJASro From here - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=106946 Head on in and give em likes to ease the pain and suffering.
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 350	Posted - 2013.09.04 05:05:00 - [32] - Quote Spec Ops Cipher wrote: Here's my sob story. I'm a shotgun scout. Shotguns are useless now and scouts are even worse. Now any player in dust can kill me instantly, using the new lock on system. My deaths per game have gone through the roof as now anyone with 8 bullets left in their AR can kill me on sight. I think i'm gonna have to skill into AR's and heavy suits to survive this, its pure EHP fights now. It won't end well for you. If the goal is buffer and AR then go logi suit with little or no equipment.
demens grimwulff A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 4	Posted - 2013.09.04 06:00:00 - [33] - Quote OZAROW wrote: Well if you couldn't shoot one you shoulda used ur mass driver, heard you don't need much skill to use one Only time I use a mass driver is when the enemy team does. They are easy.
Minor Treat The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 83	Posted - 2013.09.04 06:04:00 - [34] - Quote Spec Ops Cipher wrote: Here's my sob story. I'm a shotgun scout. Shotguns are useless now and scouts are even worse. Now any player in dust can kill me instantly, using the new lock on system. My deaths per game have gone through the roof as now anyone with 8 bullets left in their AR can kill me on sight. I think i'm gonna have to skill into AR's and heavy suits to survive this, its pure EHP fights now. Shotty is getting patched, once patches you will do so much more damage. your kd will rise again my friend.
Oswald Rehnquist Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 175	Posted - 2013.09.04 06:11:00 - [35] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Funny enough my gameplay only dropped to about -50% on kills, I'm now averaging 9/11 ratio. I'm actually happy that I made my switch from an alpha scout to a beta scout though, since my sp potential hasn't changed. I'm just hoping that these recent changes show ccp that giving us really effective ewar and cloaks as scout exclusive is now more justified than ever before. I take that back, my short term kdr has not only rebounded but has increased massively due to my use of active scanners. I can actually run up when they are not looking neutralize a dropsuit in a group, run and hide and the rest are absolutely clueless. I also had my first real active scanner battle with a logi where we keep scanning each other so we both knew where we were, but we were afraid to engage or go past to wall right away, he ended up just abandoning the objective as I went in for the hack. The strafing ad ad ad left/right left/right scout has come to an end, the lurker scout has just risen. I am quite happy with the results personally.
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 116	Posted - 2013.09.04 06:34:00 - [36] - Quote Spec Ops Cipher wrote: Here's my sob story. I'm a shotgun scout. Shotguns are useless now and scouts are even worse. Now any player in dust can kill me instantly, using the new lock on system. My deaths per game have gone through the roof as now anyone with 8 bullets left in their AR can kill me on sight. I think i'm gonna have to skill into AR's and heavy suits to survive this, its pure EHP fights now. WHAT DID I TELL YA WE ARE GONNA GET SWARMED!!! THE END IS NEAR,THE END IS NEAR, THE END IS NEAR


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