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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2013.09.03 06:03:00 -
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I find it ironic that a fellow Intaki is calling my corporation a terrorist organization when he hasn't shown a single evidence of us doing any terrorist acts. What is even more ironic is that an Amarrian is defending me, which I am thankful for, Mr. Adamance.
And where did you get the impression that we wish to join the Caldari State? Our goal is to secede from the Federation, establish an independent sovereignty over the Intaki planet and her colonies, without interference from the Federation, the State or any other empire.
And again, what has the Federation actually done to help us? They left us in lowsec at the mercy of pirates, let capsuleers wreak havoc in our lands in their stupid Empyrean War. The Ida faith encourages being thoughtful and thinking before you speak, but I am starting to run out of patience with you. Do you even speak Intaki or are you that much corrupted by the Gallente propaganda?
You claim us to be terrorists, yet you are the one who thinks the Black Eagles "do what is right to keep the Federation safe" in the cost of their very own ideals they swore to protect. You are the one who is calling ME a terrorist, yet you think that executing a person in public by literally having his insides explode is what he deserved.
You are not Intaki, you are a pawn of the Gallente, and whatever shred of identity you have left to the Intaki is twisted into the abomination that is your morals. Intaki asuprab lokrajalok suprab -- a bad Intaki makes a good Gallentean. |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2013.09.03 06:38:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I am half Intaki and half Brutor(on my father's side). I grew up in an Intaki colony. I knew what it feels like to be at the constant whim of pirates. I lost parts of my memory when I became a 1st generation mercenary. I lost the ability to talk the native Intaki language, I even lost the ability to talk in the standard Federation language, I was mute. Until 8 months later, I visited a religious man from the Khanid Kindom. Long story short I regained the ability to talk, re learning Federation standard, I also became a born again member of a little known Khanid religious order, very similar to the Ancient Amarrian religion, before it was corrupted to make it appear Slavery was fine.
Just a little back story.
The Black Eagles keep the Federation free of radicals who would wish to separate it and turn it against it self. Kind of like you. The Intaki will one day be helped, but for now, many people don't want anymore public wars, as such Intaki space security will have to be re looked at. I have many theories on how it could be done. But you know how bureaucrats work, too damn slow.
And this fixes things how? You have not explained what the ILF has done to deserve to be called a terrorist organization, you have not explained how you have any influence over the Black Eagles or the Federation at all. You did not even apologize for calling me and my corporation terrorists because of your false beliefs. |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2013.09.03 09:50:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Do not lie to me Denak. We know that your front is a paramilitary organization that wishes to engage Federal forces in open or shadow violent conflict. We know that you are funded either directly or indirectly by participating in Caldari contracts.
I don't have control over the Black Eagles nor the Federation. I am just a pawn. We all are. Just a matter of who we're going to take down with us.
So you claim to know what the ILF does better than our Suresha? If you even glanced at our mission statement, , you could see that we do not have a desire to join the Caldari State, and our methods of achieving independence from the Federation are in peaceful means only, for the reason that the previous attempt (Caldari secession) ended in senseless bloodshed and a century of war.
I'm sorry but, you are the biggest, most idiotic, most ignorant fanatic I have ever seen. Calling yourself even half-Intaki is a disgrace to every single Intaki out there, and even by Gallente standards you are completely insane and paranoid. You spreading blatant lies of our corporation damages us, and only serves to show how corrupt you are because of your Gallente superiors.
DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Don't you talk down to me, Amarr dog!
By the way, Ida is not a religion because we have no gods, no deities, we do not pray nor commit any other spiritual acts. Nor do we believe in a heaven or hell.
"Amarr dog", and yet you claim to know the Ida faith? I give up, you're completely hopeless. |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2013.09.03 10:23:00 -
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Sergamon Draco wrote:You cannot say that gallente people dont have faith or gods,i have strong faith in my own religion and i worship my own maker/god my own way.The only difference is that I do not force my faith on anyone, like ammarians do
He was talking about the Intaki faith, not Gallenteans in general. |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2013.09.03 16:32:00 -
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Sergamon Draco wrote:Mr adamance i did not commented your wrintings,i commented deadly aztecs writings.And when i tell that not every galletean lack faith or belives,how that make me egoistic? And that comment that ammarians force faith to everyone,i dont say every one in your culture does that and every one approve of slavery,but still the vast majority of ammarians do belive in slavery and force the belives and your ways every culture that your empire has captured and enslaved.And that is know fact trough-out new eden and when the people get freed from slave status,because i have heard stories from minmatar refugees and also ammarian defectors who has escaped from ammar empire,that there is many slaves in the empire, who have embraced the faith and follow the belives like the true ammarians.And still hasn`t lose their slave status,and also there has been people who has been more ammarian than real ammarians but still has died with slave status. And again, Aztec was not talking about your faith, nor about the general Gallentean faith. He was talking about the Intaki faith Ida, so this entire discussion is pointless really. |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2013.09.04 11:55:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote: You know, no matter how you add/subtract/divide the numbers, they always come out as 514. Anyways enough small talk.
You are not fooling anyone with your peaceful appearance.
Indeed, we're actually all secretly Jovesters planning to conquer all of New Eden with our enhanced clone soldier capsuleer tech. We have spies infiltrated into all the empires, and soon everyone from Jacus Roden, Samyl I, CEP and the Tribal Council will be under our control!
Soon, brothers.
Soon. |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2013.09.05 03:47:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:You bet your sweet golden Amarren buns! The Minmatar are more popular with the Caldari and Gallante than loose female Caldari "entertainers" in a Black Eagle "meeting".
;) I am starting to think of this thing, not sure what. It had something to do with logical fallacies, Amarr are good at naming those. Oh, yes! Ad Hominem. Reminds me a lot about you Aztec.
That said, it's best if you stopped replying to him Adamance, he is intentionally trying to bait you and flame you, it's best if you just block him permanently. |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2013.09.08 05:37:00 -
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Tyrionn Callazar wrote:I have little information about the Intaki Liberation Front. and would not jump to conclusions and call them terrorists. As a Gallentean I see why the ILF seeks to cut ties with the Federation. During the Gallente-Caldari war many things were done on both sides, the Federation made many mistakes. Things that many people were unhappy with. That said, my question is what the Intaki people would gain be getting out of the Federation? Join the Caldari State? Become a prey to the Amarr Empire? There are ways which the Intaki people can maintain its individuality and remain in the Federation. The Intaki people are an Important part of the Federation, the Federation needs to change its approach towards not only the Intaki people but to all members of the Federation if it is to remain united. The Federation must learn from its mistakes and not forget about it, because only through learning we can began the healing process the Federation much need. To my fellows Intakis, I ask you only this, Lets not focus on the differences that drive our peoples apart but rather let us focus on what unite us and make us strong, remembering that by standing together we can achieve greatness. In times like this we do not need to drive a divide between our people but to remain united and work together in order to improve our beloved Federation. Since you seem to be the only reasonable person in this thread(Yun Hee, Galm and Adamance excluded), I'll reply to your statements. But to note, there's an entire separate thread and a full post in this thread that explains our beliefs and corrects Aztec's lies. You should go read those before continuing this discussion further.
Again, our goal is to not join the Caldari State or any other empire, just to set up an independent sovereignty over Intaki and her colonies, free from the influence of any empire. And since you seem concerned that we will somehow be targeted by the Amarr Empire, while we appreciate your concern, I'll remind you that no Reclaiming has been done for centuries, and it is unlikely that they will start reclaiming again any time soon. Besides that they have no reason to attack us, especially when they have to go through Gallente territory first.
I do not agree with your statement that we can maintain our individuality and still be a part of the Federation. The problem is that when we Intaki live in the Luminaire and other Federation colonies outside of Placid, we are not Intaki there, we are Gallenteans. A fellow corporation member has explained it better, so I shall quote him:
Suuji Praath wrote:An Intaki is fundamentally a citizen of the Federation and as such they can find an identity in the civic state of the Federation. Such an identity might supercede traditional definitions of race and ethnicity were it the only form of nationalism present in the Federation. However, it is not merely the Federation, it is the Gallente Federation. Many times I have been referred to as a Gallente simply because of the common Intaki association with the Federation. In such cases, a citizen finding civic national identity in the Federation is also labeled with the mark of the ethnic national identity of the Gallente. We are considered a "bloodline" of the Gallente ethnicity and I believe an appropriate name for this process is bloodlining. This labeling or bloodlining, though absolutely false, is not uncommon and each day the dual civic and ethnic identity of the Gallente Federation integrates more of those Intaki within its borders.
Through the duality of citizenship within the Federation, an Intaki can be simultaneously a Gallente and a Federalist. Externally, and inclusively, an Intaki is labeled a member of the Gallente Federation thus affirming civic and ethnic nationalistic identities. However, exclusively and internally, the Intaki are "othered" in the very fact that they are not actual Gallenteans. Inside the Federation the Intaki are not Gallente, and are consistently reminded of this fact, through inevitable differentiation and, in some unfortunate cases, discrimination. This othering is echoed in the exile of Intakis by the Federation as well as our continuing popular connotation as criminals. The simultaneous dualism and dichotomy of civic and ethnic identities have conflated any overt or apparent sense of Intaki ethnic identity. It is in this process that the Gallente state apparatus can distort, obscure and marginalize a sustained and representative Intaki identity in favor of a plastic and controlled imposition of civic ethnicity. Not only are we seperated economically and by territory because they left us to ourselves in lowsec at the mercy of pirates and militia, we are also seperated culturally. Slowly, our own Intaki culture is being assimilated into the Gallentean culture, until the point that we have lost all ethnic and cultural identity of ourselves. The Federation might start protecting us again, they might protect us from pirates and revitalize our economy, but they can never change the attitudes of its citizens.
Back when the Caldari-Gallente war was rampant, several Intaki showed support for the Caldari, and were quickly exiled from the Federation. This discrimination was not done by the government only, but by the citizens. Because of those Intaki who wanted to show support for the Caldari and tried to end the entire pointless war, every single Intaki received a bad reputation and ended up being discriminated by the Gallente, we were isolated at a national and cultural level.
That is why I don't want to have Intaki as a part of the Federation, because in the end we would not be Intaki anymore. |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2013.09.08 13:32:00 -
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Tyrionn Callazar wrote:Reasoning is the only way we can both understand each other my friend. I am thankful that we can discuss the matter. In a free society like ours, there will always be those who like certain reasoning and are swift to jump to conclusions before analyzing certain facts.
I agree with you, the Federation has let its citizens down, specially during the War. But those were turbulent times. And we must work together to rectify those mistakes for the good of our people. Unfortunately we live in a world where it only takes a spoiled apple to ruin the bunch. Because some Intaki indeed back the Caldari most Intaki people were labelled as traitors. We must remember that at that time the Federation was governed by a Ultra-nationalist group. Any views against the Federation were seen as acts of treason. I disagree, I think that the people should be able to scrutinize the governments attitudes when unhappy with them. It sadness me to see that you do not believe that the Intaki can remain a part of the Federation regardless of the boundaries between our worlds. I believe that what is required is a social and cultural reform of the Federation. rather than a separation between our people.
Just a final word my friend. I am a great believer of the Federation, I believe that every culture that is part of the Federation can maintain its identity even in a world were many cultures are mixed together. Mistakes will always be made and that we should never forget those mistakes because they teach us so many things. They help us become better. I hope that overtime you can see that remaining with the Federation can be a good thing for the Intaki people and perhaps you can lead the Gallenteans and the Intaki people to reconciliation. I'm glad my old corporation has received an honorable person like you under its wing, yudha suprab, jaater.
I still believe in the Federation, don't get me wrong. In my opinion, there is no universal good or bad, everything has its good and bad sides, from Diana Kim to the Amarr Empire to a Gallente fanatic. The problem is that as it stands right now, the Intaki are outsiders in their own government, and the ones who live in the Federation(there are a great number of Intaki who have never set foot onto our homeplanet) are pressured to be assimilated into the Gallente or face social isolation. While the current government is far from the ultra-nationalistic version that ran the Federation during the Caldari-Gallente war, corruption can still be seen within the current government, and with Jacus Roden as the president, there have been a great number of more war efforts being made, prime example being the whole Caldari Prime incident a few months back.
And again, the problem is not only political, but social and cultural as well. I have faced discrimination when talking with other Gallenteans, and a great number more living in the Federation have sometimes even faced open racism, Gallenteans are still bitter from our defiance of the government during the war. It is a lot harder to change the thoughts and attitudes of the people without causing rights to be lost, and that is one of the reasons why I believe a secession from the Federation is needed. |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2013.09.09 06:32:00 -
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Kaleena Elianos wrote:You, DeadlyAztec11...
*snip*
What do you hope to accomplish here?
I would say to harvest tears. He obviously isn't interested in hearing the actual facts more than he is just trying to make us annoyed with his ignorant ramblings. As I said to Adamance, ignoring Aztec is probably the best course of action in this case. |
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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2013.09.09 11:43:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Objective: Disinformation
My objective was to rile up support for unity among the Federation. Normally an act of domestic violence would be enough, unfortunately, resources are tied up at the moment. That said, we needed a scapegoat, the ILF does a nice job. It has been a problem for our bureaucratic leaders; two ships with one missile, no? Plus known contact between the ILF and the Intaki Syndicate adds *proof* of terrorist activities. Plus the name even sounds menacing, sounds like some Minmatar militia.
The ILF has actually done some shady things, though, not enough to be actually be terrorists. But the Public need need not know that, aye? ;) Have you given the ILF attention? Yes.
Is that attention positive? Maybe.
Does anyone take you seriously anymore? Certainly not. |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2013.09.10 03:42:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I'm not a soldier. Second of all, outing myself was simply a test to see what the effect would be on the minds of mercenaries. As expected, it discredited me almost immediately. This is valuable knowledge.
If we choose to apply this method, we could discredit our own ops by "leaking" them before they are actually leaked. In this way, anybody else claiming to have evidence of the same project would be discredited before they could get a decent spot light.
Genius, no? Actually no, it's not genius for one very simple fact.
You are not with the Federal Intelligence Office, a real operative would not share this kind of information. Not to mention that your entire method of collecting this information is stupid and would shame the entire FIO. Seriously, go get professional help, you're worse than the first generation clones.
((FYI, saying that: "Oh I'm actually supah spai and not merc" is stupid, it is impossible for a clone soldier to work for the FIO. At least come up with a proper reason and not just: "Because, like, I said so!", you're just making a fool of yourself IC and OOC)) |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:31:00 -
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Stop Doing Quote Pyramids and Enough OOC wrote: ((meh, it keeps this channel interesting, heated and a bit random. Plus, this character is not that random, just very detailed.))
((You're not making the IGS interesting, you're making it worse by pointlessly flaming a group. And it doesn't matter how detailed your character is if no one is interested in interacting with you since you pissed off pretty much everyone)) |
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