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Flux Raeder
WarRavens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.09.02 19:39:00 -
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I have always had a bit of a problem with the weapon-changing mechanics in this game:
Switching between primary and secondary is easy but I have noticed that the selection wheel will often not respond quickly or accurately enough.
I've especially noticed this when running REs, if I have planted a remote explosive at an objective you'd think my character would find a way to easily be able to hit that single button to detonate it when someone starts to hack, instead I end up having to quickly extract myself from a firefight, spending five seconds selecting, re-selecting and re-re-selecting the damn option before it even brings it up. If it is not glitched (hands still holding an invisible gun) I have between 1 and 4 seconds (nowadays with people upping their hacking its usually around 1-2) to detonate it, a simple operation that is also messed up because for some reason there is often a lag between changeovers (1/2-2 second) where pressing L1 does absolutely nothing even though I can clearly see that I have switched to my remote explosives.
Is this only me? And if not is there any planned fix or update to the UI for this? |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
1516
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Posted - 2013.09.02 19:45:00 -
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Not just you. |
Akdhar Saif
CybinSect
49
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Posted - 2013.09.02 19:49:00 -
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The wheel is very hard to use.
I'd even prefer just a single button scroll list. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3482
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Posted - 2013.09.02 20:10:00 -
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We need options for quick-select to only cycle weapons, or to cycle through equipment as well. |
Flux Raeder
WarRavens League of Infamy
181
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Posted - 2013.09.02 20:20:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:We need options for quick-select to only cycle weapons, or to cycle through equipment as well. Exactly, or even an ability to detonate an RE without having to switch weapons since technically you are just pushing a button on your arm, though peoe already have enough complaints about the RE and they will probably just say its way too OP or something... |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3483
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Posted - 2013.09.02 20:29:00 -
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I think a detonate option without switching is a good idea, but I ALSO think - particularly for Logis and some Scout builds, a quick-select that cycles through your equipment as well as weapons would be beneficial (but shouldn't be forced on players) |
Kage Roth
Wolf-Monkey Bastards
50
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Posted - 2013.09.02 20:34:00 -
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Saw something like this in another thread. It was an idea of making a button that would switch between equipment. |
AAGMUNDR
Reliable Overwatch Inc.
0
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Posted - 2013.09.02 20:50:00 -
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As far as quick cycling weapons goes, can't you just tap R2? Also,for the remote explosives in particular, I think adding a slight (less than a second-ish) delay to pulling out a grenade with L2 to allow you to be able to detonate remote explosives by quickly double tapping L2 would be a nifty feature. |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
400
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Posted - 2013.09.02 21:01:00 -
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Flux Raeder wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:We need options for quick-select to only cycle weapons, or to cycle through equipment as well. Exactly, or even an ability to detonate an RE without having to switch weapons since technically you are just pushing a button on your arm, though peoe already have enough complaints about the RE and they will probably just say its way too OP or something... Or just give us back the quick select we used to have that cycled weapons and equipment ... I still don't understand why they changed it ... other than assaults crying that they selected their equipment when they wanted their sidearm ... well they've only got 1 equipment now but even when they had more, just think about what you're doing a little bit, problem solved. |
Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
51
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Posted - 2013.09.02 21:02:00 -
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I used to have the same problem with a repair tool, I often times couldn't get it out fast enough before they were finished off by a sniper or some other threat( good thing I always have an injector with me!). I resolved this by putting all my Rep Tools in the same Equipment slot for all of my fittings. Now I can easily switch due to muscle memory, and it usually only takes me about 1 second. I haven't used REs before but I do plan on trying them someday and I will probably use the same trick when I do. |
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Flux Raeder
WarRavens League of Infamy
181
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Posted - 2013.09.02 21:14:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote: I used to have the same problem with a repair tool, I often times couldn't get it out fast enough before they were finished off by a sniper or some other threat( good thing I always have an injector with me!). I resolved this by putting all my Rep Tools in the same Equipment slot for all of my fittings. Now I can easily switch due to muscle memory, and it usually only takes me about 1 second. I haven't used REs before but I do plan on trying them someday and I will probably use the same trick when I do. Well that's just it, I use REs a lot and have memorized the location but there seems to be a random lag in the wheel that will sometimes stop right on your sidearm instead of the RE slot, it would be cool if they could remap the buttons and have start or select be used to detonate the RE, it would be harder to accidentally detonate them then too and seems like it would feel more immersive.
Also, on a bit of a side note, has anything been mentioned about the ability to detonate individual RE? Maybe if they have a quick button to detonate (like start) it could blow then all up but of you do actually take the time to switch to RE you could have an option to select individual explosives to detonate |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3486
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Posted - 2013.09.02 21:20:00 -
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Needless Sacermendor wrote:Flux Raeder wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:We need options for quick-select to only cycle weapons, or to cycle through equipment as well. Exactly, or even an ability to detonate an RE without having to switch weapons since technically you are just pushing a button on your arm, though peoe already have enough complaints about the RE and they will probably just say its way too OP or something... Or just give us back the quick select we used to have that cycled weapons and equipment ... I still don't understand why they changed it ... other than assaults crying that they selected their equipment when they wanted their sidearm ... well they've only got 1 equipment now but even when they had more, just think about what you're doing a little bit, problem solved. Most Assaults and many Scout fittings benefit from NOT cycling through equipment. SOME of the more combat-focused Amarr Logi builds also benefit from this.
But for most Logis and some other suits, it would be good to be able to CHOOSE whether to cycle between weapons only or equipment and weapons.
I still think the best option would be a toggle in the controls menu that you can turn on or off. I thought that when they first made the change, and suggested it at the time. Every time I've seen this discussion come up, I've presented the same suggestion I had then. |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
400
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Posted - 2013.09.02 22:01:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Needless Sacermendor wrote:Flux Raeder wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:We need options for quick-select to only cycle weapons, or to cycle through equipment as well. Exactly, or even an ability to detonate an RE without having to switch weapons since technically you are just pushing a button on your arm, though peoe already have enough complaints about the RE and they will probably just say its way too OP or something... Or just give us back the quick select we used to have that cycled weapons and equipment ... I still don't understand why they changed it ... other than assaults crying that they selected their equipment when they wanted their sidearm ... well they've only got 1 equipment now but even when they had more, just think about what you're doing a little bit, problem solved. Most Assaults and many Scout fittings benefit from NOT cycling through equipment. SOME of the more combat-focused Amarr Logi builds also benefit from this. But for most Logis and some other suits, it would be good to be able to CHOOSE whether to cycle between weapons only or equipment and weapons. I still think the best option would be a toggle in the controls menu that you can turn on or off. I thought that when they first made the change, and suggested it at the time. Every time I've seen this discussion come up, I've presented the same suggestion I had then. Yeah I just outright opposed it at the time ... it was pandering to the assault users and forsaking any logistics or vehicle users ! It just got worse when the radial menu became unusable with KBM at the start of Uprising and it's still not much better.
I agree we should have the option, but I still stand by the fact it shouldn't have been changed in the first place ... it's no wonder people call this AR514 and things like that when stuff like quickselect is intentionally gimped for anyone but assault players !
Edit : How was it even a problem ... you pressed it once to switch to sidearm and then (OMG) twice !! to get back to your main weapon ... heaven forbid you'd have to go 3 times at proto assault (at that time) ... logis had to do it 4 times ALL the time anyway ! ... but at least I knew from main wepon 3 quick clicks and I'd have whatever was in my second equip slot out without taking concentration away from the battle, and 2 clicks I'd be back to my main. |
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