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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.08.31 19:54:00 -
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Currently weapons' kick is in no way related to your stamina. What I am proposing is that your stamina is linked to your weapons accuracy. The less stamina you have the more the barrel of your weapon climbs with each shot. This will help to reward tactical movement over rushing into combat.
Thoughts?
Suggestions? |
Arc-08
Horizons' Edge
Orion Empire
43
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Posted - 2013.08.31 19:56:00 -
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but then i can't go and leeroy jenkins/Han Solo style run in with a standard suit and kill lots of enemies.
what's the fun of running into the center of 6 people if you can't even kill at least 5 of them XD
why would i want less accuracy when i'm completely exausted out of stamina.
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
678
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Posted - 2013.08.31 20:12:00 -
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Yes, I'm suggesting that CCP make the gun game more challenging. Sacrilege, I know. But the result of this would be that players who move cautiously and think about their tactics will gain more of an advantage over the rushing swarms. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
5640
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Posted - 2013.08.31 20:29:00 -
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This actually makes sense. I like it.
Laser weapons should have no barrel climb increase with depletion of stamina though, since they're just shooting light. |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
681
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Posted - 2013.08.31 20:31:00 -
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I agree laser weapons should never have barrel climb. |
The-Errorist
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
134
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Posted - 2013.08.31 20:37:00 -
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This actually makes a lot of sense; the more someone is physically exhausted, the harder it is to control recoil. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
5682
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Posted - 2013.09.02 02:05:00 -
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Very cool idea deserves attention. |
CLONE117
Planetary Response Organization
Test Friends Please Ignore
262
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Posted - 2013.09.02 02:24:00 -
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there is no gungame....most ppl just strafe,,,and spray and pray,,,,with a proto weapon...
what would add a little more skill or balancing out the field would be a gear restriction.. |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
786
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Posted - 2013.09.02 02:34:00 -
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CLONE117 wrote:there is no gungame....most ppl just strafe,,,and spray and pray,,,,with a proto weapon...
what would add a little more skill or balancing out the field would be a gear restriction..
Maybe, but think of this:
The ones that already have Proto gear are more likely to have Biotics Lv5 and maybe even Cardiac regulators making the Gunfight gap EVEN BIGGER for new players or players under 5mil.
i mean i like the idea, but , just a thought.... |
Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
770
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Posted - 2013.09.02 03:27:00 -
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I think this is a sound idea.
Plas one. |
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Abe Foster
XCOM ENEMY UNKNOWN
4
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Posted - 2013.09.02 04:03:00 -
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This addition would make the game more realistic.
this idea should not die. |
Hunter Junko
Zanzibar Concept
146
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Posted - 2013.09.02 04:12:00 -
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i support this Idea, +1 |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
5690
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Posted - 2013.09.02 20:52:00 -
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Great idea is great, and logical |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4658
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Posted - 2013.09.02 20:58:00 -
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+1 |
The-Errorist
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
157
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Posted - 2013.09.03 02:53:00 -
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+1 |
XiBravo
TeamPlayers
EoN.
204
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Posted - 2013.09.03 06:48:00 -
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I like the idea, i just never like to reward a camper and penalize an objective player. Sorry -1 |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
5700
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Posted - 2013.09.03 16:48:00 -
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XiBravo wrote:I like the idea, i just never like to reward a camper and penalize an objective player. Sorry -1
Does Dust even have campers? |
Damien Mengsk
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2
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Posted - 2013.09.03 18:24:00 -
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Yes! Great idea. +1 |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
5786
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Posted - 2013.09.06 07:13:00 -
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Still a great idea |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
700
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Posted - 2013.09.07 02:44:00 -
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I'm thinking we need some numbers to give to ccp. Say a degree of barrel climb per second related to stamina remaining. Any ideas. |
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
541
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Posted - 2013.09.07 02:52:00 -
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This would just nerf light frames even more, unless we got a higher stamina than now. |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
701
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Posted - 2013.09.07 05:07:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:This would just nerf light frames even more, unless we got a higher stamina than now.
It would certainly kill the sprint in and shoot tactic. What it would encourage light frames to do is flank. Hide. Then kill from a concealed position and run away.
Playing this way would reward light frame users who favor hit and run tactics and penalize those who try to go toe to toe. This could be said of all suits though.
I think the ones it would most affect would be heavies since it make them less mobile and much more the point defense machines they are meant to be. |
Echoist
Fenrir's Wolves
DARKSTAR ARMY
75
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Posted - 2013.09.07 07:13:00 -
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I love the idea, +1 from me. Besides I'm all for anything that rewards tactical play rather than run and gun. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
5812
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Posted - 2013.09.07 19:55:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:This would just nerf light frames even more, unless we got a higher stamina than now. It would certainly kill the sprint in and shoot tactic. What it would encourage light frames to do is flank. Hide. Then kill from a concealed position and run away. Playing this way would reward light frame users who favor hit and run tactics and penalize those who try to go toe to toe. This could be said of all suits though. I think the ones it would most affect would be heavies since it make them less mobile and much more the point defense machines they are meant to be.
We could have light suits immune to this effect, and that would be a buff to lights (which they need) |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
704
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Posted - 2013.09.07 23:55:00 -
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I looked into this actually and light suits have much more stamina than other suits, 260 on my scout 160 on my assault. Having over 100 more stamina would mean that they would have a much easier time retaining ther accuract than an assault player would even with more frequent sprinting.
I don't even know if any changes are needed to accomodate scouts other than making the barrel climb penalty based upon having less than (and this is just for the purposes of discussion) say 100 stamina with a proportional increase in the climb based on how much less than 100 stamina you had.
This would make it so that you could use sprint for tactical movement in all suits but not just run about willy nilly. This would also give scouts far and away the best 'tactical sprint' distance since they have much more stamina than any other class. |
hgghyujh
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
87
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Posted - 2013.09.08 00:17:00 -
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Definitely worth looking into, It could be a nightmare to get right but it could be AWSOME. |
The-Errorist
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
180
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Posted - 2013.09.08 20:19:00 -
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hgghyujh wrote:Definitely worth looking into, It could be a nightmare to get right but it could be AWSOME.
Yeah, balancing the effect for heavy, light, and medium frames; plus heavy, light, and sidearm weapons, would be a pain. |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
715
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Posted - 2013.09.08 20:32:00 -
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It would definitly have to be done carefully. That is for sure.
CCP really should open a test server so we could help them figure out how changes to mechanics would affect the game. |
zibathy numbertwo
Nox Aeterna Security
145
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Posted - 2013.09.08 22:18:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:This would just nerf light frames even more, unless we got a higher stamina than now.
My CEO runs around with 1800 stamina on one of his fits. It would be glorious if it went off % of stamina left so then there would be an added incentive to use the modules that increase max stamina. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
5912
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Posted - 2013.09.12 21:16:00 -
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Still a great idea |
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
739
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Posted - 2013.09.13 06:52:00 -
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I agree and having some barrel climb on any weapon with a projectile that has mass would eliminate a lot of the QQ over assault rifles. It would also decrease the viability of the auto aim since people would have to use the right DS3 stick to keep the target on. Many new players who can manage shooting now thanks to auto aim would find it harder to stay on target if they had to work with two dimensions of movement to keep the auto aim active. |
fawkuima juggalo
Pawns and Kings
The Superpowers
30
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Posted - 2013.09.13 07:11:00 -
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as long as they didnt over do it which they have a tendency to do
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
739
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Posted - 2013.09.13 07:15:00 -
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fawkuima juggalo wrote:as long as they didnt over do it which they have a tendency to do
I think we can all agree on that. Making barrel climb too extreme or making it begin to take effect at too high of a stamina rate would make any semblance of gun game evaporate. |
General12912
Gallente Marine Corps
Dark Taboo
18
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Posted - 2013.09.13 10:03:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:Currently weapons' kick is in no way related to your stamina. What I am proposing is that your stamina is linked to your weapons accuracy. The less stamina you have the more the barrel of your weapon climbs with each shot. This will help to reward tactical movement over rushing into combat.
Thoughts?
Suggestions?
That sounds like a good idea. It would certainly make the game more challenging. CCP, look over here!
I was also thinking there should be a couple more actions added to use up stamina. Take a dodge roll aka a combat roll aka a barrel roll for instance. It could be used to perhaps break an auto aim lock for a few seconds after the roll. And it looks a lot better than jumping around like some kind of leprechaun. |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
742
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Posted - 2013.09.14 04:22:00 -
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CCP could we get some acknowledgement of this idea it is getting quite a considerable following. |
Thurak1
Psygod9
168
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Posted - 2013.09.14 04:24:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:I agree laser weapons should never have barrel climb.
I agree there should be no recoil on something thats shooting light beams. |
Thurak1
Psygod9
168
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Posted - 2013.09.14 04:26:00 -
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Best part about this idea is that it would help reduce the bunny hop garbage.
Only in a virtual world can anyone jump around like a fool and manage to put rounds on target. |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
742
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Posted - 2013.09.14 04:30:00 -
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Yes, it would encourage more realistic tactical movement.
I feel like weapon weight vs bullet weight should also play a part in the barrel climb but need to think more about how that would mesh with the stamina vs bullet climb mechanic. |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
752
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Posted - 2013.09.15 06:11:00 -
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The more I think about this idea the more I like it. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
5940
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Posted - 2013.09.16 14:05:00 -
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These beans are still cool |
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster
2099
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Posted - 2013.09.16 15:08:00 -
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No stamina would affect lasers too.
Picture yourself huffing and puffing, completely exhausted after a full out sprint.
Now try to line up a shot with you gun bouncing up and down with each gasp of breath. |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
783
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Posted - 2013.09.16 22:20:00 -
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Skihids wrote:No stamina would affect lasers too.
Picture yourself huffing and puffing, completely exhausted after a full out sprint.
Now try to line up a shot with you gun bouncing up and down with each gasp of breath.
If stamina is going to affect lasers it shouldn't be recoil it should produce barrel sway. This would make a ton more sense then adding barrel climb to a laser weapon. |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
807
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Posted - 2013.09.22 18:22:00 -
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This is still a great idea and really needs some serious consideration CCP. |
Iskandar Zul Karnain
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1745
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Posted - 2013.09.22 19:11:00 -
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This is an excellent idea.
Its going to be hard to implement well and certainly generate many tears but it t makes sense and it encourages the use of tactics.
Stamina should regulate barrel sway. Lasers need to be affected by this too. |
The-Errorist
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
220
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Posted - 2013.09.23 08:10:00 -
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Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote:This is an excellent idea.
Its going to be hard to implement well and certainly generate many tears but it t makes sense and it encourages the use of tactics.
Stamina should regulate barrel sway. Lasers need to be affected by this too.
Don't you mean just sway since barrels aren't the things that would be swaying? |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
824
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Posted - 2013.09.24 01:18:00 -
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I am pretty sure he is just referring to the weapon's aim swaying back and forth since this could reasonably be affected by heavy breathing or general tiredness. |
Thurak1
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
202
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Posted - 2013.09.24 07:05:00 -
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+1 |
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