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The DEFECANDO Dust2Dust. Top Men. 6	Posted - 2013.08.31 19:16:00 - [1] - Quote This may just be an issue for me and I could just be being paranoid and/or emo'd out. I have noticed (or atleast I think I have) that shotguns seem to completely miss when you are aiming at the upper torso/head. The guy can be standing still, you can be right in his face, and if you dont go center/lower torso, you just seem to shoot right through him/her. Has anyone else had this issue on occasion?
Knight Soiaire Better Hide R Die 2167	Posted - 2013.08.31 19:17:00 - [2] - Quote Its not just you. Shotgun hit detection is terrible.
Rynoceros Rise of Old Dudes 608	Posted - 2013.08.31 19:25:00 - [3] - Quote Welcome to the club. Some of us are still here. If my shotgun works >50% of the time, it's been a surprisingly good day. Rumor is that 1.4 should fix this.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 425	Posted - 2013.08.31 19:28:00 - [4] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Welcome to the club. Some of us are still here. If my shotgun works >50% of the time, it's been a surprisingly good day. Rumor is that 1.4 should fix this. Me too......
DeadlyAztec11 Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 2094	Posted - 2013.08.31 19:50:00 - [5] - Quote I have suffered this problem as well. This effects the Nova Knives too.
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 459	Posted - 2013.08.31 21:44:00 - [6] - Quote My new thing is the k 17 breach shotgun or w/e it's called, I run Minmatar scout ad K 17 breach Ishknocks Complex shield Enhanced light dam mod Flux Scanner CPU chip Basic kinetic / profile damp This for some reason has been one shotting dudes from range An once 1.4 come out I'm gonna level up the reload on my shotty all the way So I'm hoping for big things
Ansiiis The Trustworthy WE ARE LEGENDS 276	Posted - 2013.09.01 00:09:00 - [7] - Quote I want to shoot myself most of the time when using my shotty but it's such a change from my AR. I love to pop out, insta-kill some guy and run away. I've never tried breach though... Can I one shot a pro assault?
Vesperz D3M3NT3D M1NDZ 3	Posted - 2013.09.01 00:19:00 - [8] - Quote Yup, missed many an easy kill and then my paper suit gets punched through by AR/MD combos.
Thurak1 Psygod9 107	Posted - 2013.09.01 00:28:00 - [9] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: I want to shoot myself most of the time when using my shotty but it's such a change from my AR. I love to pop out, insta-kill some guy and run away. I've never tried breach though... Can I one shot a pro assault? For some reason shotguns can and have 1 shot killed me in a heavy suit. I am guessing that it was a head shot.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3413	Posted - 2013.09.01 00:28:00 - [10] - Quote Hit detectionin general has been problematic for the entire time DUST has existed. Weapons with lower fire rates (Shotgun, Sniper Rifle) are hit much harder, because a single missed shot will mean the difference between a kill and an almost-untouched enemy. Part of the problem is that players are used to client-side hit detection and that's handled server-side in DUST. You can compensate to an extent if you know how laggy you are. I still haven't got around to testing it properly in Uprising (I disappeared for a while), but I know in Chromosome you could work this out. There was always a delay between firing your weapon and seeing the ammo count drop - that delay is a good measure on which you could estimate your latency, and work out how far to lead your targets. Like I said, I'm not certain if this still works, but it's worth trying.

Rynoceros Rise of Old Dudes 615	Posted - 2013.09.01 00:31:00 - [11] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: I want to shoot myself most of the time when using my shotty but it's such a change from my AR. I love to pop out, insta-kill some guy and run away. I've never tried breach though... Can I one shot a pro assault? Yup. Even more so. But, that 2 shot clip is a MF if you find yourself in a red campground. I prefer something with an 8 shot clip and maybe a damage mod, for good measure. Militia Shotties OHK 80% of the field if you're doing it right - and the weapon is working as intended. I have a [STARTER FIT] with the AR swapped for a Militia Shotgun just for a low-cost hit detection tester. When the mechanics are working, it kills. A bit slow for a shotgun build, so I'll swap into something speedier if all's well.
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 53	Posted - 2013.09.01 00:34:00 - [12] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Hit detectionin general has been problematic for the entire time DUST has existed. Weapons with lower fire rates (Shotgun, Sniper Rifle) are hit much harder, because a single missed shot will mean the difference between a kill and an almost-untouched enemy. Part of the problem is that players are used to client-side hit detection and that's handled server-side in DUST. You can compensate to an extent if you know how laggy you are. I still haven't got around to testing it properly in Uprising (I disappeared for a while), but I know in Chromosome you could work this out. There was always a delay between firing your weapon and seeing the ammo count drop - that delay is a good measure on which you could estimate your latency, and work out how far to lead your targets. Like I said, I'm not certain if this still works, but it's worth trying. This does indeed ring true, however things you can do to improve involve improving the jitter on your line, get on your isp about it, I have 2ms jitter and my shotty works about 80% of the time!!
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1470	Posted - 2013.09.01 00:35:00 - [13] - Quote The DEFECANDO wrote: This may just be an issue for me and I could just be being paranoid and/or emo'd out. I have noticed (or atleast I think I have) that shotguns seem to completely miss when you are aiming at the upper torso/head. The guy can be standing still, you can be right in his face, and if you dont go center/lower torso, you just seem to shoot right through him/her. Has anyone else had this issue on occasion? Had a game yesterday when two shot gunners should have ended my life, hits entirely missed and I turned and killed them. Something was really off and it wasn't latency.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1308	Posted - 2013.09.01 01:06:00 - [14] - Quote The DEFECANDO wrote: This may just be an issue for me and I could just be being paranoid and/or emo'd out. I have noticed (or atleast I think I have) that shotguns seem to completely miss when you are aiming at the upper torso/head. The guy can be standing still, you can be right in his face, and if you dont go center/lower torso, you just seem to shoot right through him/her. Has anyone else had this issue on occasion? Normally when I say "Welcome to New Eden" it's a proxy for "HTFU". In this case it's just an acknowledgement of your plight.
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 461	Posted - 2013.09.01 02:44:00 - [15] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: I want to shoot myself most of the time when using my shotty but it's such a change from my AR. I love to pop out, insta-kill some guy and run away. I've never tried breach though... Can I one shot a pro assault? Not sure as of yet but I can kill a heavy with 2 in the back with a enhanced dam mod but unless ur reload is up an u have a good side arm I would be careful since proto assaults seem to wiggle a lot , ur first shot has to hit, then if the second don't hit , don't reload switch to ur smg an polish em off, I'm a scout so standing face to face is risky with a 2 shot clip, but advanced fits dissapar in one shot
Darth-Carbonite GIO Dust2Dust. Top Men. 98	Posted - 2013.09.01 04:12:00 - [16] - Quote I know how you feel DEF. Maybe the aiming tweaks in 1.4 will help? I dunno
pseudosnipre DUST University Ivy League 148	Posted - 2013.09.03 18:42:00 - [17] - Quote Comment here, please: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=106679&find=unread
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1964	Posted - 2013.09.03 18:48:00 - [18] - Quote For the record... 1.4 had fixes to aiming, and said nothing about fixes to hit detection. For some reason people think aiming = hit detection, when in reality the systems are completely different

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 1281	Posted - 2013.09.03 18:49:00 - [19] - Quote We're aware of issues, and we're looking into them. More info on circumstances and frequency will help us nail this bug to the wall faster. If you have video, please send in a link via support ticket. Also moved to Technical Support/Bugs CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics @CCP_Logibro

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3535	Posted - 2013.09.03 20:28:00 - [20] - Quote I'm going to be doing some more testing, but I suspect that a non-Shotgunner has found the answer by getting murdered at extreme ranges and surviving consistently in CQC. Pretty sure the Shotgun hit area has been flipped. I'll be testing this theory soon, and will return with results when I can. Also, for the record, depending how close I am to peak times, my jitter is typically <1, but sometimes gets as high as 3 on a bad night.



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