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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 5636	Posted - 2013.08.31 18:02:00 - [1] - Quote If a losing team manages to do a great offensive and manage to capture all null cannons and hold it, they can still lose because of damage from the other MCC's missiles. This creates a sense of hopelessness when a battle is almost over, because it makes it impossible for a losing team to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 2601	Posted - 2013.09.01 15:30:00 - [2] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: If a losing team manages to do a great offensive and manage to capture all null cannons and hold it, they can still lose because of damage from the other MCC's missiles. This creates a sense of hopelessness when a battle is almost over, because it makes it impossible for a losing team to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. Advocated for this a while back and the general response was that if your team was doing that badly you were going to lose anyway; but honestly I don't think that's the case. I think the MCC to MCC damage is putting a major hamper on PC Battles as it's almost guaranteed that whoever has the most clones wins unless you do awesome from the start. There's been a few occasions where my corporation is winning a battle and once it gets to a certain point (about half armor) and save clones because there's simply no-way that they can turn it around. Another thing I don't like about it is the fact that close games are somewhat skewed. A team with just a hair more MCC armor but less objectives can still win - an team who's losing on objectives but winning on clones goes down far too quickly. Then you take into account the fact that there's a timer after the objective gets hacked at which the cannon is still firing for the opposing team, instead of neutralizing the objective - so for that brief window you're trying to turn things around (and could do a fairly decent job) your MCC is still taking damage along with the fact that the enemy MCC is dishing it out. Of course, some will say that changing that will invariably make it so that the matches are ridiculously long but who are we honestly kidding here? A lot of players binge play this game and others just get on to do one or so matches - it's not this big necessity that the match has to revolve around the 30 minute mark.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 5911	Posted - 2013.09.12 20:48:00 - [3] - Quote Worst thing about Skirmish.
low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 622	Posted - 2013.10.04 15:13:00 - [4] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: If a losing team manages to do a great offensive and manage to capture all null cannons and hold it, they can still lose because of damage from the other MCC's missiles. This creates a sense of hopelessness when a battle is almost over, because it makes it impossible for a losing team to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. agreed. if you've got a team redlined it should be a fast match. if you can redline them at the end, you should be able to come back and win.
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 2121	Posted - 2013.10.05 02:49:00 - [5] - Quote I would say in combination remove Objective Spawning. The MCC is going to be an object in the sky we might as well find a use for it, especially if MCC to MCC Fire is removed. Right now MCC is more of a novelty/AFK Spawn point. In Maps like Manus peak, the Caldari MCC offers a valid and different spawn location, it is very separate from the Ground Base allowing different Objectives to be approached from different start spawns.

CCP LogicLoop C C P C C P Alliance 1099	Posted - 2013.10.09 01:53:00 - [6] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: If a losing team manages to do a great offensive and manage to capture all null cannons and hold it, they can still lose because of damage from the other MCC's missiles. This creates a sense of hopelessness when a battle is almost over, because it makes it impossible for a losing team to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. This should go into the main Feedback Requests forums. It is a Game Design decision.

Garth Mandra The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 148	Posted - 2013.10.09 02:00:00 - [7] - Quote Isn't the main point of MCC/MCC damage to prevent 23.5 hour long skirmishes? This seems especially important for PC matches since it is not that difficult to set up a match and organise to AFK until just before DT.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 3305	Posted - 2013.10.09 02:04:00 - [8] - Quote Garth Mandra wrote: Isn't the main point of MCC/MCC damage to prevent 23.5 hour long skirmishes? This seems especially important for PC matches since it is not that difficult to set up a match and organise to AFK until just before DT. Alternatively we could just revert back to Skirmish 1.0 I personally like long matches, since most players binge play (consecutive matches over and over again) it's not unreasonable to have a game mode that has these really long matches, obviously with a default win/loss if no objectives are taken to prevent AFK spam. Can't wait for Skirmish 3.0, honestly.
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 398	Posted - 2013.10.09 03:33:00 - [9] - Quote Maybe MCCs only shoot when zero points are controlled. If two points are controlled and two still neutral, they shoot at half speed. And once all points are controlled by someone, the MCCs stop shooting.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6493	Posted - 2013.10.09 03:35:00 - [10] - Quote SponkSponkSponk wrote: Maybe MCCs only shoot when zero points are controlled. If two points are controlled and two still neutral, they shoot at half speed. And once all points are controlled by someone, the MCCs stop shooting. Great idea, solves every problem

crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1808	Posted - 2013.10.09 06:08:00 - [11] - Quote Instead why not add in a new control point on every map. The defense relay. You guys allready mention this object and it has it's own map icon so why not use it? So in addition to the normal capture points you add in the defense relay. Which ever team holds control of the defence relays gets to take zero damage from the enemy MCC. Unlike a normal Capture point make this a point that you need to hack and then actually hold for w hole 90 seconds before the defense relay kicks into effect. This way matches don't last super long, but a team has a path towards victory no matter how far behind they are. Also I still believe in PC once the MCC vs.MCC match is done, if the attackers wins just start having the MCC start moving, and hae the second battle just happen. No loading screens. Right into the second match. Now it's MCC versus infrastructure.? The point of a mobile command center is to land outside of the targets planetary shields right, and attack the base from the ground? Like in the battle of hoth, the ATAT walkers don't just drop down on the base from space, they have to drop down far away and move inwards. The defending team sends out an MCC to intercept the incoming MCC before it even gets close. Once the attacing team wins they can now move forwards towards the objective. This is where skrmisk 1.0 comes back into play. The point is to blow up the shield generators surrounding the base in order to attack it. It's fun because the defending team can win by keeping the shield generators alive long enough to drive off the attacking teams MCC. Instead of having to focus on capturing points all over again after winning the 1st match, now you just get to win by blowing stuff up! Finally the attacking team wins and the MCC moves forward to hack and capture the enemy infrastructure. This part of the match would be where you fight in the building that matches what was built there. So if you were assaulting a Factory you would now finally be fighting in the factory. It's like a reward to win the 1st 2 phases, and get far enough to see the objective. Also it's a bit fresh since it's not MCC vs. MCC. But the game mode is still capture the 4 points. But now the attacking team wants to capture the points to turn OFF the Anti-MCC turrets. Plus then it would be 3 game modes in a row, how fun. It wouldn't get boring and dullllllllllllllll please people, remember I'VE ACTUALLY PLAYED THIS GAME MODE ON MY PS3 IN DUST I'm not just making it up ccp has already done all the groundwork This game could be something really great.
Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 596	Posted - 2013.10.09 11:23:00 - [12] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: SponkSponkSponk wrote: Maybe MCCs only shoot when zero points are controlled. If two points are controlled and two still neutral, they shoot at half speed. And once all points are controlled by someone, the MCCs stop shooting. Great idea, solves every problem Why not break MCC turrets (and turn them off or lower their DPS) when armor gets below certain level? I wonder if either MCC turrets will get limited ammo after the "vehicle pass of doom". On the side note, the same should be for our dropsuits, equipment and vehs. Overall system performance should drop in line with deteriorating armor. You can run out of ammo with 100%/100% HP. Why not make our weapons/equipment stop working (or overheat more quickly, lower DPS or drop in efficiency) when armor gets below, say 10%? (Ex. EVE ships loose teeth when damaged)
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6532	Posted - 2013.10.11 06:40:00 - [13] - Quote Needs to be fixed
DeadlyAztec11 Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 2195	Posted - 2013.10.11 13:13:00 - [14] - Quote I like it. Adds a new dynamic from game modes in other games. Plus, it's kind of fun to take all the points for 90% of the game and then let the other team think they got the game. They thought.
lithkul devant Legions of Infinite Dominion 104	Posted - 2013.10.11 17:04:00 - [15] - Quote This doesn't need to be fixed at all, it is a great tool at times, such as if you are winning in a skirmish and at the end suddenly half the other team leaves and in comes the proto stomp crew, who suddenly start kicking your teams teeth in, they should not be allowed to just come in and "win" the game unless they were around long enough. The damage on MCC's make the game more realistic, I wish their were ways to increase the damage, add resistance, heal the MCC and other options like that. What your basically asking for is another nerf to the game. Should I ask if Call of Duty wants you back? That you can't handle conditions more then just the immediate battle on the ground. Point being, this is an awesome thing to have MCC's actually hitting each other, do not take it away.
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 404	Posted - 2013.10.11 21:41:00 - [16] - Quote not sure i understand... but has any one here been in one of those battles where only a few players r on your team destroying the enemy team yet un able to hold a single objective? and so ends in a loss even though the enemy team has few to no clones left? im wondering how these types of battles/scenarios could be effected by this.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9357	Posted - 2013.10.12 02:56:00 - [17] - Quote When MCCs go player controlled they're going have to decide to shoot the other MCC or at ground troops.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6543	Posted - 2013.10.12 03:39:00 - [18] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: When MCCs go player controlled they're going have to decide to shoot the other MCC or at ground troops. That isn't the point of this thread, this thread is about the current non-player-controlled MCC's shooting each other, and the adverse effect it has on gameplay.
Zatara Rought TeamPlayers EoN. 1294	Posted - 2013.10.12 06:34:00 - [19] - Quote The reason I disagree comes from PC experience. We've had numerous battles where we launched with 120 clones. When you're facing the best competition in the game 120 clones isn't enough to fight a whole battle. You will end up being cloned about 5 ticks of armor if the points have been competitive. Point being that in order to win those matches our strategy to win depended on controlling points long enough to pull out and withdraw from battle after having controlled the majority of the points long enough that with 5 clones left (assuming extraction/retreat was executed correctly) they could cap all points and we'd win.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1654	Posted - 2013.10.12 07:28:00 - [20] - Quote Instead of removing content from the game, why not add some more? Each side could have an installation that intercepts a certain number of missiles, compensating for lone missiles coming from the MCC but having other null cannons being able to overcome it. This installation would be destroyable/hackable so any strategies involving MCC damage would still function as long as you manage to take out that installation first.

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7937	Posted - 2013.10.12 07:44:00 - [21] - Quote Talos Alomar wrote: Instead of removing content from the game, why not add some more? Each side could have an installation that intercepts a certain number of missiles, compensating for lone missiles coming from the MCC but having other null cannons being able to overcome it. This installation would be destroyable/hackable so any strategies involving MCC damage would still function as long as you manage to take out that installation first. I Wouldn't count MCC-to-MCC missiles "content", but I do like your idea a lot. Should be an awesome missile defense laser. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7937	Posted - 2014.01.09 22:17:00 - [22] - Quote I still hate it Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7963	Posted - 2014.01.10 06:40:00 - [23] - Quote Anyone else agree? Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 670	Posted - 2014.01.10 12:46:00 - [24] - Quote Even in pub matches I have seen some terrific counter offensives that should have turned the tide but sadly it was too late. LogiGod earns his pips
thomas mak STRONG-ARMED BANDITS Public Disorder. 10	Posted - 2014.01.10 14:44:00 - [25] - Quote An extrem way to win : use dropship to stop your MCC get distroy if the dropship take the missile MCC will no take it I know because those XXXX missile kills me all the day *Real tanker dies with their tanks!*
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7984	Posted - 2014.01.10 19:20:00 - [26] - Quote FIIIIIX it Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 221	Posted - 2014.01.11 00:38:00 - [27] - Quote SponkSponkSponk wrote: Maybe MCCs only shoot when zero points are controlled. If two points are controlled and two still neutral, they shoot at half speed. And once all points are controlled by someone, the MCCs stop shooting. Just an off the wall suggestion here but what about making the missile turret operational by a gunner Make it only available once all points are taken by an enemy As a matter of fact add a couple turrets to it this might solve being redlined all the effing time
Kharga Lum Xeno Labs Security 217	Posted - 2014.01.11 06:19:00 - [28] - Quote What if the only change was that a contested control point stopped shooting? At least make incremental adjustments instead of sweeping changes. Don't throw the system out to build a new one, tweek the one we have until it works properly.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8009	Posted - 2014.01.13 07:05:00 - [29] - Quote Change it Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9529	Posted - 2014.02.23 18:25:00 - [30] - Quote I HATE IT! Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10011	Posted - 2014.03.18 14:07:00 - [31] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I HATE IT! Still do Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Xaviah Reaper Nyain San Renegade Alliance 277	Posted - 2014.03.18 15:44:00 - [32] - Quote what i dont quite understand, is why EVE pilots have to fly across the numerous systems in order to support these battles, when there is clearly a massive EVE ship deploying units on the ground already in the battle... The MCC has massive missiles capable of killing dropships mid air, so why cant we use MCC missiles as a form of orbital strike? would be amazing to watch and would add the missile side to the orbital strikes opposed to just hybrid / laser weaponry. I mean sure, theres no harm in having eve pilots contribute with eve support, in fact its the closest thing to eve / dust unification in the battlefield. But if theres already a massive eve ship sitting there... why not let EVE pilots replace the MCC with their ship in order to risk it vs the enemy eve ship. the reward for winning would be decided among eve players on their forums, and the loss would obviously be the destruction of the ship (but the pod ejects safely). Dust has so many posibilities and potential, it would be insane not to venture into some of it. more on topic, i agree with MCCs damage being an issue in terms of morale for twisting battles, and it should certainly not effect PC so severely as it does. Maybe ship receiving the most damage returns more fire than the winning teams mcc to prolong the battle? Best game with a Python: 33kills 1 death (1.6) 24kills 1 death (1.7)


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