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Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar
Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
229
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Posted - 2013.08.31 11:39:00 -
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Needless Sacermendor wrote:Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote:ok so u would rather get a quick 50wp and have to run 400 meters to the next red thing to get ur next wp? thats dumb id rather herd the dumbies to slaughter than get instant gratification for hackin something that could possibly generate 2500 wp. I'd rather get zero wp and pop an uplink just to deny some stat whor a few extra points to his kdr or lifetime wp ... the gratification comes from your rage. Edit : Ambush is a different story mind you.
the op and i are not talking about uplinks we are specificly talking about CRU's and even more specificly CRU's that are the only red thing in a very wel controled blue area, like i said its not rocket science |
Lorhak Gannarsein
DUST University Ivy League
242
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:18:00 -
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Spawn camping is a little easier in a blaster tank. Especially if the red was facing the wall when he placed the uplink ;) CRUs, though? If my team is there, I'll try to destroy it, rather than camp it. |
Rynoceros
Rise of Old Dudes
606
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:41:00 -
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What about CRU camping when all of the objectives are held?
I don't want to run my Heavy *** all of the way to the redline (A.K.A. Sniperville).
50 WP per stupid red clone > 50 WP once |
Ansiiis The Trustworthy
WE ARE LEGENDS
274
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:47:00 -
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You probably didn't even tell em to stop. Or if you did you called them noobs and said how much better you are. I play games solo just for the challenge and can say that an average blueberry listens to team chat. Just remember to be polite and say thank you and they will help you. |
KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
120
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:05:00 -
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Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote:Needless Sacermendor wrote:Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote:ok so u would rather get a quick 50wp and have to run 400 meters to the next red thing to get ur next wp? thats dumb id rather herd the dumbies to slaughter than get instant gratification for hackin something that could possibly generate 2500 wp. I'd rather get zero wp and pop an uplink just to deny some stat whor a few extra points to his kdr or lifetime wp ... the gratification comes from your rage. Edit : Ambush is a different story mind you. the op and i are not talking about uplinks we are specificly talking about CRU's and even more specificly CRU's that are the only red thing in a very wel controled blue area, like i said its not rocket science
It doesn't matter.
You know that every time someone rushes to hack an objective CRU / whatever that they are trying to help their team. I'm not going to run by a CRU because there's a heavy there with an HMG. For all I know he's waiting for help.
Talk to your team and its ok, but understand ppl don't listen to the game. They listen to music and stuff that isn't some try hard nerd barking orders. Don't come to the forums and rage about it either. You're going to get ppl second guessing about taking objectives.
You have probably ruined all of the Canadian players now. They are too polite to take objectives you are farming without permission.
Shame on you.
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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
596
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:33:00 -
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Sid Taris wrote:I know im not the only one that absolutely HATES this, but when in a match, and you see you have the enemy team on the ropes and they have ONE spawn point left, or someone is standing next to an enemy uplink....DO DONT HACK OR DESTROY THE FREAKING SPAWN POINT!!! The enemy team does have a clone count, so this is a perfect chance to cut into their clones so that if they do mount a offensive and try to make a come back, their clones are in trouble too. I cant stand it when my sqd is holding an enemy spawn point and some dumb blueberry comes and hacks the point. I swear i will let the enemy person come in a kill you and watch it with delight. Next time you will get the point.... Quite often the UMC- will leave a Null Cannon or CRU uncapped and fall back in order to give the other team a chance to mount an offensive.
Redline games are boring - for both sides. |
Spycrab Potato
Hold-Your-Fire
309
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:42:00 -
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Sid Taris wrote:I know im not the only one that absolutely HATES this, but when in a match, and you see you have the enemy team on the ropes and they have ONE spawn point left, or someone is standing next to an enemy uplink....DO DONT HACK OR DESTROY THE FREAKING SPAWN POINT!!! The enemy team does have a clone count, so this is a perfect chance to cut into their clones so that if they do mount a offensive and try to make a come back, their clones are in trouble too. I cant stand it when my sqd is holding an enemy spawn point and some dumb blueberry comes and hacks the point. I swear i will let the enemy person come in a kill you and watch it with delight. Next time you will get the point.... *Person Spawns at spawn point invisible* *Cooks Grenade* *Takes both of you with him* *Uplink is then used to lead the enemy into a wave that wins the game* All because you didn't destroy the uplink. |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
1493
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:42:00 -
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Hecarim Van Hohen wrote:When I see a blueberry camping a uplink I briskly haul my fat ass to him and destroy the said uplink for the sole purpose of getting that dumb **** to be of some assistance to the rest of the team.
Seconded. |
Ryme Intrinseca
Seraphim Auxiliaries
1
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:56:00 -
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Hecarim Van Hohen wrote:Camping CRU's is a valid tactic while watching a uplink flash is not. I disagree, it's riskier to camp CRUs for several reasons:
1. CRUs have unlimited spawn capacity, so campers are more likely to get swamped. 2. CRUs enable enemies to see what's around it on the map, so smart enemies will only spawn at a camped CRU if they fancy their chances (e.g. because half their squad is coming with them). 3. Enemies spawn all around a CRU, so campers can get shot in the back, which they won't at an uplink.
These are actually nice mechanics as they mean that there's a much higher strategic value to a CRU than to an uplink, as there should be. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
403
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Posted - 2013.08.31 14:15:00 -
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Sid Taris wrote:I know im not the only one that absolutely HATES this, but when in a match, and you see you have the enemy team on the ropes and they have ONE spawn point left, or someone is standing next to an enemy uplink....DO DONT HACK OR DESTROY THE FREAKING SPAWN POINT!!! The enemy team does have a clone count, so this is a perfect chance to cut into their clones so that if they do mount a offensive and try to make a come back, their clones are in trouble too. I cant stand it when my sqd is holding an enemy spawn point and some dumb blueberry comes and hacks the point. I swear i will let the enemy person come in a kill you and watch it with delight. Next time you will get the point.... Stop taking this game so seriously and you wont have that problem. People are going to do this get over it. Or are you going to cry about nerfing teammates? |
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Hecarim Van Hohen
Bullet Cluster
135
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Posted - 2013.08.31 14:22:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Hecarim Van Hohen wrote:Camping CRU's is a valid tactic while watching a uplink flash is not. I disagree, it's riskier to camp CRUs for several reasons: 1. CRUs have unlimited spawn capacity, so campers are more likely to get swamped. 2. CRUs enable enemies to see what's around it on the map, so smart enemies will only spawn at a camped CRU if they fancy their chances (e.g. because half their squad is coming with them). 3. Enemies spawn all around a CRU, so campers can get shot in the back, which they won't at an uplink. These are actually nice mechanics as they mean that there's a much higher strategic value to a CRU than to an uplink, as there should be.
1. This might happen but a full squad camping a CRU this is somewhat unlikely but nevertheless true, they might get swamped. 2. I forgot all about this but when I camp a CRU I have plenty of friends to support/watch my back, as above your statement is true. 3. Keeping your distance from the CRU and having it surrounded cancels this out, but accidents happen which makes you last point also true.
Increased scan for the CRU is nice but one should not count out a finely placed uplink as these enable a more tactical insertion of troops. |
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar
Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
235
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Posted - 2013.08.31 14:48:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:What about CRU camping when all of the objectives are held?
I don't want to run my Heavy *** all of the way to the redline (A.K.A. Sniperville).
50 WP per stupid red clone > 50 WP once
this isexactly what the op is talking about |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
406
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Posted - 2013.08.31 14:54:00 -
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2100 Angels wrote:Sid Taris wrote:I know im not the only one that absolutely HATES this, but when in a match, and you see you have the enemy team on the ropes and they have ONE spawn point left, or someone is standing next to an enemy uplink....DO DONT HACK OR DESTROY THE FREAKING SPAWN POINT!!! The enemy team does have a clone count, so this is a perfect chance to cut into their clones so that if they do mount a offensive and try to make a come back, their clones are in trouble too. I cant stand it when my sqd is holding an enemy spawn point and some dumb blueberry comes and hacks the point. I swear i will let the enemy person come in a kill you and watch it with delight. Next time you will get the point.... I'll hack whatever the **** i like! I'd rather lose the game than win by camping a spawn point. to quote bff "theres no honor in using a broken mechanic to win a game". YEAH. E-HONOR. E-honor= grown men trying to feel special because they do nothing else in life. There is no honor in war. Video game form or not. |
Sid Taris
XCUTI0N
4
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Posted - 2013.08.31 18:37:00 -
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LOL...oh how i love that most people in here are calling ME a noob for sitting on a spawn point!!!! Look if you are dumb enough to continue to spawn in on it, then yes, im going to sit there and destroy you everytime you come in. i makes no sense to just rehack it or kill the link. Honor in war?? WHERE TO F@$K does that exist in war? Do you think i give a crap and honor? there is WINNING and the is LOSING and i plan to be on the winning side. BTW....if EVERYONE is thinks IM a noob, you write down my name and when you see me in game, come try me. Ill show you a noob. Please send me a message after my proto heavy thanking me for my noobish ways. I love hate mail |
Thumb Green
Novashift
363
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Posted - 2013.08.31 18:57:00 -
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Dude you're a fcking pansy. I play to have fun and people getting spawn camp ruins the fun so I'll destroy every enemy uplink I see and if FF is ever enabled in pubs I'll kill every spawn camper I see. |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
734
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Posted - 2013.08.31 19:34:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:Apparently this thread is full of scrubs that rapidly mash the X button and get raped alot on uplinks surrounded by reds. Alls fair in war, I've been watching maps and radar for years now in games, and if reds are stupid enough to spawn @ a CRU or uplink that has no blue around it because they don't have the common sense to look where they spawn then damn right I'm gonna take advantage of it. And an organised squad will get 25points? Pfft if theyre getting spawn camped then they have a team with no chance of winning anyways not to mention, ya the losing red squad gets 25points, but organised squad campers get defend order+assists off each kill. Oh but you need to be somewhere else doing something! So wait, slaughtering reds before theyre able to do something isnt helping your team? Heres the fact, real players camp uplinks, but if they stop spawning on it we destroy them and move on.
God i love how bad the players on the forums are haha, see ya later victims.
Yes it is fair in love and war. Yet the honorable way demands a different approach. Unless that isn't your thing either |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5992
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Posted - 2013.08.31 19:35:00 -
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I try to redline every game so that way I can be free to drive my LAV back and forth in their redzone for free kills.
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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
200
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Posted - 2013.08.31 20:21:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:Apparently this thread is full of scrubs that rapidly mash the X button and get raped alot on uplinks surrounded by reds. Alls fair in war, I've been watching maps and radar for years now in games, and if reds are stupid enough to spawn @ a CRU or uplink that has no blue around it because they don't have the common sense to look where they spawn then damn right I'm gonna take advantage of it. And an organised squad will get 25points? Pfft if theyre getting spawn camped then they have a team with no chance of winning anyways not to mention, ya the losing red squad gets 25points, but organised squad campers get defend order+assists off each kill. Oh but you need to be somewhere else doing something! So wait, slaughtering reds before theyre able to do something isnt helping your team? Heres the fact, real players camp uplinks, but if they stop spawning on it we destroy them and move on.
God i love how bad the players on the forums are haha, see ya later victims. Does K/D ratio matters so much to you ? ... You will camp a CRU for the easy kills, when the rest of you team is defending cannon positions ?..Perhaps i shouldn't be surprise.... considering that you are from EoN. Stats Whoring is considered a NooB thing to do.
I'm glad I'm a real combatant rather than a good player. Cheap backstabbing pussies. Dirty pool ol' boy. |
J4yne C0bb
DUST University Ivy League
73
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Posted - 2013.08.31 20:37:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:1. CRUs have unlimited spawn capacity, so campers are more likely to get swamped. 2. CRUs enable enemies to see what's around it on the map, so smart enemies will only spawn at a camped CRU if they fancy their chances (e.g. because half their squad is coming with them). 3. Enemies spawn all around a CRU, so campers can get shot in the back, which they won't at an uplink.
These are actually nice mechanics as they mean that there's a much higher strategic value to a CRU than to an uplink, as there should be.
These are all good, valid reasons to be wary of CRU camping; however, so long as you're supported by a full squad or more, CRU camping is a valid tactic, not poor sportsmanship. It's a tactical decision whether you should do it or not.
To me, camping a spawn point is only poor sportsmanship if the enemy has no other choice but to spawn there. That's why previous iterations of Ambush sucked a$$ (and I refused to play them, mostly), because the winning team would often get to a place where they could run around the map unimpeded and begin camping whatever point the stupid game began spawning reds at. You could only come in where the game said you could, and too bad, so sad if you got killed immediately.
However, in Dom and Skirmish matches, this is not a valid argument. You have a choice where to spawn on the field, and if any of those options are too risky, you always have the option of coming in at the MCC or groundspawn. Therefore, if you choose to spawn on the field, it should be with full knowledge that there is a chance that Red is waiting for you. Every spawn on the field comes with some degree of risk, and most importantly, you have a choice whether to take it or not.
The choice is what makes all the difference, and it is what making CRU/Uplink camping a valid tactic in those game modes, since you can win by clone count. If Red is dumb enough to keep coming in on a CRU, then that's their problem, and they need to rethink their strategy. If I'm on the losing team, and I see a CRU foothold in a city somewhere surrounded by red, I don't get pissed if it's camped and I get killed -- me and my squad quickly evaluated the situation, and took the risk that we could survive the spawn. If you lose, oh well, but if you survive, you come out feeling like Rambo, and it's an awesome opportunity to rally your side. |
Billi Gene
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
372
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Posted - 2013.09.01 04:57:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:Apparently this thread is full of scrubs that rapidly mash the X button and get raped alot on uplinks surrounded by reds. Alls fair in war, I've been watching maps and radar for years now in games, and if reds are stupid enough to spawn @ a CRU or uplink that has no blue around it because they don't have the common sense to look where they spawn then damn right I'm gonna take advantage of it. And an organised squad will get 25points? Pfft if theyre getting spawn camped then they have a team with no chance of winning anyways not to mention, ya the losing red squad gets 25points, but organised squad campers get defend order+assists off each kill. Oh but you need to be somewhere else doing something! So wait, slaughtering reds before theyre able to do something isnt helping your team? Heres the fact, real players camp uplinks, but if they stop spawning on it we destroy them and move on.
God i love how bad the players on the forums are haha, see ya later victims.
1. real players do what needs doing.
yes all is fair in war, goodo for you using your eyes.. have a cookie... yes refer to first point ... 25pts +what's in the bank, orders and assists yaay, OB still needs WP banked ....I'm not psychic nor am i Rainman i can't keep a running tally or every squads WP based on killfeed..can you? yes doing things is good, refer again to point 1 refer to your own thoughts on stupid people mashing X to spawn... refer to point 1 again
nice to see you here as well :)
hope that made as much sense as your own post :) |
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
429
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Posted - 2013.09.01 05:22:00 -
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Sid Taris wrote:I know im not the only one that absolutely HATES this, but when in a match, and you see you have the enemy team on the ropes and they have ONE spawn point left, or someone is standing next to an enemy uplink....DO DONT HACK OR DESTROY THE FREAKING SPAWN POINT!!! The enemy team does have a clone count, so this is a perfect chance to cut into their clones so that if they do mount a offensive and try to make a come back, their clones are in trouble too. I cant stand it when my sqd is holding an enemy spawn point and some dumb blueberry comes and hacks the point. I swear i will let the enemy person come in a kill you and watch it with delight. Next time you will get the point....
Wow... Crutch much? I bet you have a turbo KDR bro. Shooting fish in a barrel is so pro of u. |
Yokal Bob
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
180
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Posted - 2013.09.01 06:36:00 -
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Speaking of capturing points, if im sat in a tank next to an objective and your in or around it, guess what it means? HACK THE ******* THING. dont just sit there waiting for christmas.
Its just so stupid, even if there is no-one there idiots just want to farm points while we do all the work (which is why we want an ejection seat) |
Thurak1
Psygod9
117
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Posted - 2013.09.01 07:09:00 -
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Sid Taris wrote:LOL...oh how i love that most people in here are calling ME a noob for sitting on a spawn point!!!! Look if you are dumb enough to continue to spawn in on it, then yes, im going to sit there and destroy you everytime you come in. i makes no sense to just rehack it or kill the link. Honor in war?? WHERE TO F@$K does that exist in war? Do you think i give a crap and honor? there is WINNING and the is LOSING and i plan to be on the winning side. BTW....if EVERYONE is thinks IM a noob, you write down my name and when you see me in game, come try me. Ill show you a noob. Please send me a message after my proto heavy thanking me for my noobish ways. I love hate mail Well there are certain accords even to warfare such as the Geneva convention and such which most "Allies" have signed off on and believe in. The good old fashioned knights even in the dark ages had a code of conduct. The Samuri believed in honor in combat. And even in these modern games when people spawn you are invisible for a few seconds to give people a fighting chance when they spawn. I would think that alone shows the mindset of giving people a fighting chance when they spawn rather than feeding them to the wolves.
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Ryme Intrinseca
Seraphim Auxiliaries
6
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Posted - 2013.09.01 08:24:00 -
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Thurak1 wrote:Sid Taris wrote:LOL...oh how i love that most people in here are calling ME a noob for sitting on a spawn point!!!! Look if you are dumb enough to continue to spawn in on it, then yes, im going to sit there and destroy you everytime you come in. i makes no sense to just rehack it or kill the link. Honor in war?? WHERE TO F@$K does that exist in war? Do you think i give a crap and honor? there is WINNING and the is LOSING and i plan to be on the winning side. BTW....if EVERYONE is thinks IM a noob, you write down my name and when you see me in game, come try me. Ill show you a noob. Please send me a message after my proto heavy thanking me for my noobish ways. I love hate mail Well there are certain accords even to warfare such as the Geneva convention and such which most "Allies" have signed off on and believe in. The good old fashioned knights even in the dark ages had a code of conduct. The Samuri believed in honor in combat. And even in these modern games when people spawn you are invisible for a few seconds to give people a fighting chance when they spawn. I would think that alone shows the mindset of giving people a fighting chance when they spawn rather than feeding them to the wolves. As J4yne mentioned upthread, the difference in Dust compared to other games is that there is never only one spawn point. If you spawn at a camped CRU, you are choosing to spawn in the midst of the enemy - you can even see them on the map! Presumably, the reason for spawning there rather than behind the redline is to try and get a tactical advantage, so it's only fair that the camping team tries to get an advantage themselves. That said, there are many situations in which it is unwise to camp, e.g. because you have limited support or because it will leave a nearby objective undefended in a close game. |
CommanderBolt
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
224
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Posted - 2013.09.01 08:54:00 -
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Really though if it has got to the point where a team is spawn camping, even an objective, the only alternative would be redlining them.
I don't know but I think spawn camping is the better option. At least they have their redline to use. |
crychon
xCosmic Voidx The Superpowers
30
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Posted - 2013.09.01 20:10:00 -
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SILVERBACK 02 wrote:gbh08 wrote:Calls everyone noobs, yet likes to spawn camp, GG i noticed tht know how he gets his ratio,,,,can tell i don't do it my ratio sucks,,,,,lol
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3419
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Posted - 2013.09.01 20:55:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Hecarim Van Hohen wrote:Camping CRU's is a valid tactic while watching a uplink flash is not. I disagree, it's riskier to camp CRUs for several reasons: 1. CRUs have unlimited spawn capacity, so campers are more likely to get swamped. 2. CRUs enable enemies to see what's around it on the map, so smart enemies will only spawn at a camped CRU if they fancy their chances (e.g. because half their squad is coming with them). 3. Enemies spawn all around a CRU, so campers can get shot in the back, which they won't at an uplink. These are actually nice mechanics as they mean that there's a much higher strategic value to a CRU than to an uplink, as there should be.
1. That's balanced by the fact that players get to deploy Uplinks anywhere on the field, and can hide them in hard-to-reach places, or on rooftops/in tunnels where enemies are less likely to find them even when they're marked on the map. The CRU is easier to swarm out of, but the Uplink is harder to camp in the first place.
2. Uplinks also have sensors, though slightly shorter range because they're a single point instead of a structure with spawn locations surrounding it.
3. No, but if the "victim" knows you're there (which they should if they were paying attention), they'll be able to anticipate the campers by moving in an unexpected direction. Also, until you've seen a player spawn, you don't know which direction they'll be facing when they appear.
The fact that CRUs provide options to counter a camp makes it valid to camp them. The fact that Uplinks have less-effective counters when camped is balanced by their ease of redeployment. |
Storm Shelton
XCUTI0N
2
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Posted - 2013.09.02 11:17:00 -
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Sid can be quite aggressive, But he only initiates CRU camping when its strategically applicable. I am witness to this. To be honest, Personally, If you are stupid enough to spawn in on CRU that is obviously surrounded by 10 of the enemies, Then you deserve to get whats coming to you. Higher survivability chances depend on smart decisions. And for the record, Sid is not a noob. He has been playing since the beta. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
58
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Posted - 2013.09.02 11:53:00 -
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Sid Taris wrote:I know im not the only one that absolutely HATES this, but when in a match, and you see you have the enemy team on the ropes and they have ONE spawn point left, or someone is standing next to an enemy uplink....DO DONT HACK OR DESTROY THE FREAKING SPAWN POINT!!! The enemy team does have a clone count, so this is a perfect chance to cut into their clones so that if they do mount a offensive and try to make a come back, their clones are in trouble too. I cant stand it when my sqd is holding an enemy spawn point and some dumb blueberry comes and hacks the point. I swear i will let the enemy person come in a kill you and watch it with delight. Next time you will get the point....
How about not spawn camping like a real noob, and give your an enemy a chance!! Hes doing them a favour and you should be ashamed of your behaviour, you are the true noob here!! |
KingBabar
Ancient Exiles
1103
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Posted - 2013.09.02 12:31:00 -
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gbh08 wrote:Calls everyone noobs, yet likes to spawn camp, GG
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