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Zekain K
Expert Intervention Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.29 14:38:00 -
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They're the type of weapon that are supposed to have an extremely fast rate of fire at the cost of damage. Which I'm fine with. But one thing that erks me is the mag size is too small, and the fact that a standard assault rifles damage is nearly equal to a proto burst rifles damage.
Not only that, but I honestly think that the burst rifle SHOULD have the same range as a TAC sense it has a scope. Or at-least an effective range that's greater then the automatic rifles.
My ideas to make it an actual viable weapon would be list of two minor buffs.
1: increase the range to challenge the Tac's range. 3: increase the damage from 34.5 to 36. Or to make it nearly equal to the gek. make the AVD bursts damage equal to the standard assault rifles damage. it's still weaker then every other rifle in its class range.
It's a med, to long range rifle. But it lacks the range, and the power to actually fulfill it's roll.
It is a great weapon right now if you're willing to get around the learning curv. But it is still at a massive disadvantage to every other rifle. which makes me extremely sad face. :(
I personally love this weapon because it's the closest thing I have that resembles the BR from Halo. I just want to see it actually be useful. It seems like that I am the only one in the game that actually uses it, which is depressing. |
Beren Hurin
The Vanguardians
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Posted - 2013.08.29 14:42:00 -
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Hell.....
NO...
Wait for the racial variants if you want a good one. |
Smooth Assassin
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.29 14:42:00 -
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Yep. |
DeadlyAztec11
Red Star Jr. EoN.
2071
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Posted - 2013.08.29 14:42:00 -
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Actually, it appears that CCP took a page from Black Ops 2 and decided to make an effective CQC weapon.
I actually really like it for this reason. It's not a mid to long range weapon, it's a CQC power house, hear shot machine.
You also forget that the Breach AR is nearly useless if you use it in full auto. |
Zekain K
Expert Intervention Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.29 14:51:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Actually, it appears that CCP took a page from Black Ops 2 and decided to make an effective CQC weapon.
I actually really like it for this reason. It's not a mid to long range weapon, it's a CQC power house, hear shot machine.
You also forget that the Breach AR is nearly useless if you use it in full auto. I haven't forgotten about the breach. It just simple isn't the main topic in this post.
There really isn't a reason why the br cant be jack of all trades gun as long at it has other dam output then the other rifles. You're never guaranteed it hit all the shots, which makes it a high skill intensive weapon. |
Beren Hurin
The Vanguardians
1292
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Posted - 2013.08.29 14:54:00 -
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Its because the gallente SHOULD suck at making medium to long range weapons. The TAC-AR should be ONLY a place holder for now, and should eventually be the crappiest medium-long range rifle that comes out.
Gallente weapons are traditionally short range weapons. |
Pandora Mars
Afterlife Overseers
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Posted - 2013.08.29 14:54:00 -
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It needs more damage than that, for the simple reason that a delayed, burst weapon, needs a higher hit damage (single hit) than a fully automatic one.
The GK-13 needs the same range of the TAR, which is not that incredible, since a normal AR has WAY TOO MUCH range, compared to a TAR, and 40-42 damage.
The current Burst rifle is probably the least used weapon in this game, along the Plasma cannon. Personally, I've never died to a burst rifle and it's absolute garbage because of the laughable DPS. The standard AR is just better at anything.
With 40 damage at ADV and better range, MAYBE someone will start using it.
Waiting for new racial variants is just ignoring the huge problem with this weapon.
The breach also needs a RoF increase to 500 at least. |
Zekain K
Expert Intervention Caldari State
301
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Posted - 2013.08.29 14:56:00 -
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[quote=Beren Hurin]Its because the gallente SHOULD suck at making medium to long range weapons. The TAC-AR should be ONLY a place holder for now, and should eventually be the crappiest medium-long range rifle that comes out.
Gallente weapons are traditionally short range weapons.[/qufamilyhis has nothing to do with lore. I know the weapon is a place holder . But that shouldn't make it the worst weapon in the rifle family. |
Keri Starlight
Psygod9
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Posted - 2013.08.29 14:59:00 -
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Pandora Mars wrote:It needs more damage than that, for the simple reason that a delayed, burst weapon, needs a higher hit damage (single hit) than a fully automatic one.
The GK-13 needs the same range of the TAR, which is not that incredible, since a normal AR has WAY TOO MUCH range, compared to a TAR, and 40-42 damage.
The current Burst rifle is probably the least used weapon in this game, along the Plasma cannon. Personally, I've never died to a burst rifle and it's absolute garbage because of the laughable DPS. The standard AR is just better at anything.
With 40 damage at ADV and better range, MAYBE someone will start using it.
Waiting for new racial variants is just ignoring the huge problem with this weapon.
The breach also needs a RoF increase to 500 at least.
EDIT: Stop with this "placeholder" thing, please. The breach is Gallente and it sucks also, CQC or not. Also, the burst rifle is a weapon and it deserves respect and usage on the battlefield. A WEAPON, not a placeholder.
This. Is. True. |
DeadlyAztec11
Red Star Jr. EoN.
2071
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Posted - 2013.08.29 15:03:00 -
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Zekain K wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Actually, it appears that CCP took a page from Black Ops 2 and decided to make an effective CQC weapon.
I actually really like it for this reason. It's not a mid to long range weapon, it's a CQC power house, hear shot machine.
You also forget that the Breach AR is nearly useless if you use it in full auto. I haven't forgotten about the breach. It just simple isn't the main topic in this post. There really isn't a reason why the br cant be jack of all trades gun as long at it has other dam output then the other rifles. You're never guaranteed it hit all the shots, which makes it a high skill intensive weapon. The Breach IS the worst AR variant. It's time to kill is very long and it's range is even worse than the full auto version. It's RPM is the same as the TAC's, but it's damage is way off.
The Breach is useless unless you use it like a semi auto. |
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Fargen Icehole
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
121
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Posted - 2013.08.29 15:09:00 -
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CCP's problem is that they have the guns backwards. Weapons with a higher DPS/faster TTK, are better short range weapons, because you can just hipfire/spray opponents. Weapons with slower ROF/higher dmg per round/lower ammo per mag are better for longrange fights, where it pays to be more selective. Breach should have range of regular AR and regular AR should have range that breach variants have.
Also, agreed. The burst does need a SLIGHT buff. Either buff the dmg by 1pt or make the FIRST burst super accurate and have all 3 rounds hit target. (similar to how it works in BF3 with their Burst weapons) |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1367
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Posted - 2013.08.29 15:21:00 -
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Peanut-butter Jelly time |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1055
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Posted - 2013.08.29 15:34:00 -
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I've been running the GK-13 on most of my suits for the last week since it is supposed to be the model for the Minmatar Combat Rifle. It's OK but not great. I get a decent number of kills but it sure feels like more work. Its like the weird bastard child of a normal and tactical AR. I want to like and will run it for a while longer. Hopefully, the Minmatar know how to make a better version. |
Aria Gomes
DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY
26
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Posted - 2013.08.29 16:03:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:I've been running the GK-13 on most of my suits for the last week since it is supposed to be the model for the Minmatar Combat Rifle. It's OK but not great. I get a decent number of kills but it sure feels like more work. Its like the weird bastard child of a normal and tactical AR. I want to like and will run it for a while longer. Hopefully, the Minmatar know how to make a better version.
I use it too. Mostly in Domination and Skirmish. Ambush is good for regular AR. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2190
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Posted - 2013.08.29 16:16:00 -
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Pandora Mars wrote: The GK-13 needs the same range of the TAR, which is not that incredible, since a normal AR has WAY TOO MUCH range, compared to a TAR, and 40-42 damage.
No, the TAR blaster still outranges the Scrambler laser, which is bullshit. Fix that range discrepancy before you start passing it around to even more blasters. |
Kiiran-B
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
120
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Posted - 2013.08.29 16:21:00 -
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Zekain K wrote:They're the type of weapon that are supposed to have an extremely fast rate of fire at the cost of damage. Which I'm fine with. But one thing that erks me is the mag size is too small, and the fact that a standard assault rifles damage is nearly equal to a proto burst rifles damage.
Not only that, but I honestly think that the burst rifle SHOULD have the same range as a TAC sense it has a scope. Or at-least an effective range that's greater then the automatic rifles.
My ideas to make it an actual viable weapon would be list of two minor buffs.
1: increase the range to challenge the Tac's range. 3: increase the damage from 34.5 to 36. Or to make it nearly equal to the gek. make the AVD bursts damage equal to the standard assault rifles damage. it's still weaker then every other rifle in its class range.
It's a med, to long range rifle. But it lacks the range, and the power to actually fulfill it's roll.
It is a great weapon right now if you're willing to get around the learning curv. But it is still at a massive disadvantage to every other rifle. which makes me extremely sad face. :(
I personally love this weapon because it's the closest thing I have that resembles the BR from Halo. I just want to see it actually be useful. It seems like that I am the only one in the game that actually uses it, which is depressing.
It was fine the way it was before. They should have kept it with the low damage-seven shot burst. It had a recoil that demanded some work and it was a fun weapon to use. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1921
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Posted - 2013.08.29 16:30:00 -
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They need to get rid of the camera zoom on it, cause thats what is so confusing. You think its long range like the tac but its not, and its got this dumb camera zoom for no real reason. |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1059
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Posted - 2013.08.29 19:00:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:They need to get rid of the camera zoom on it, cause thats what is so confusing. You think its long range like the tac but its not, and its got this dumb camera zoom for no real reason.
I like the camera zoom. That's how I get my headshots with it. |
Charlotte O'Dell
0uter.Heaven
1240
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Posted - 2013.08.29 20:28:00 -
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Get a SR, scrubs. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1923
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Posted - 2013.08.29 21:34:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:They need to get rid of the camera zoom on it, cause thats what is so confusing. You think its long range like the tac but its not, and its got this dumb camera zoom for no real reason. I like the camera zoom. That's how I get my headshots with it.
Camera zoom has a place, and that place is on other, longer range, racial variants.
Hopefully they change it once the combat rifle is released. |
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Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514
741
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Posted - 2013.08.29 21:49:00 -
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Zekain K wrote:They're the type of weapon that are supposed to have an extremely fast rate of fire at the cost of damage.
HAHAHA, WRONG from the getgo. THAT is the Assault variant. BURST sacrifices ROF for a bit of accuracy and a bit of damage. It MAY need a smidgeon of a buff, but its MEANT TO BE WEAK, as Assault is the Gallente specialty, not Burst. It is the COMBAT RIFLE that you want, which isn't out yet. |
Zekain K
Expert Intervention Caldari State
303
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Posted - 2013.08.30 01:55:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:Zekain K wrote:They're the type of weapon that are supposed to have an extremely fast rate of fire at the cost of damage. HAHAHA, WRONG from the getgo. THAT is the Assault variant. BURST sacrifices ROF for a bit of accuracy and a bit of damage. It MAY need a smidgeon of a buff, but its MEANT TO BE WEAK, as Assault is the Gallente specialty, not Burst. It is the COMBAT RIFLE that you want, which isn't out yet. You're a ******* idiot. |
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