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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2013.08.29 12:24:00 -
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Article here.
Caldari Constructions, after four years of minor losses under the leadership of Tibus Heth, announced that they have broken even on operations. While they still have yet to hit positive, it is a good sign that CC is starting to recover from Tibus Heth's reign. I hope that they'll continue to be successful in the future and that it'll recover back to its old state, along with the Kaalakiotta megacorporation too. |
steadyhand amarr
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2013.08.29 12:36:00 -
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Good news for the state they have had to endure a lot over the years |
Harkon Vysarii
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
456
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Posted - 2013.08.29 12:42:00 -
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Admittedly things have not been easy recently. |
Galm Fae
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.08.29 17:17:00 -
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I hate to be the one to point this out, but as horrible as Heth was he was the one that got our economy back on track. Yes, there were some financial loses, but that was the cost of military expansion. |
XANDER KAG
Red Star. EoN.
234
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Posted - 2013.08.29 17:51:00 -
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And the millions to billions dead on both sides was worth it? Yes, the Caldari needed an excuse to get the efficiency of a wartime economy , but at what cost? |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.08.29 18:21:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote:And the millions to billions dead on both sides was worth it? Yes, the Caldari needed an excuse to get the efficiency of a wartime economy , but at what cost? Soldier, the current limited conflict with the Federation is messy, and violent, but it's neither very large nor very intense. It's more like a continuous, ongoing series of skirmishes that mostly involve capsuleer militias.
In other words, it's not demanding replacement of ships, weapons, and personnel at the sort of rate that fuels the standard-model "wartime economy."
Please don't assume that the capitalistic structure of the State means that everything it does is for profit, soldier. It's a society, rather inwardly-concerned, but a complete, functioning society, not just a wealth-generating mechanism. |
XANDER KAG
Red Star. EoN.
235
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Posted - 2013.08.29 18:45:00 -
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And what about the crews of those capsuleer vessels? Yes, your government doesn't lose much, but millions die none the less.
I wasn't doubting your society's motives. My concern is the cost in lives that it took to bring your economy back to its current strength. Besides can you really deny that this war has helped bring your economy somewhat back to health? Even if it was just a new sense of purpose for your people that lead to it?
I don't assume that any more than you must think us nothing, but tribal savages. Don't force yourself to see racism where it doesn't exist. |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.08.29 23:07:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote:And what about the crews of those capsuleer vessels? Yes, your government doesn't lose much, but millions die none the less.
I wasn't doubting your society's motives. My concern is the cost in lives that it took to bring your economy back to its current strength. Besides can you really deny that this war has helped bring your economy somewhat back to health? Even if it was just a new sense of purpose for your people that lead to it?
I don't assume that any more than you must think us nothing, but tribal savages. Don't force yourself to see racism where it doesn't exist. Respectfully, soldier, it's not really about racism; it takes a fairly foolish person to think the Caldari are somehow genetically wedded to profit. It's more a matter of cultural stereotyping: many outsiders think the Caldari are all about profit, and, from an outsider's perspective, this may often appear to actually be the case.
As far as the war's effect on the Caldari economy goes: it may have helped in certain areas, but the most visible single result has been a major institution (Kaalakiota) looted to pay for the war. Kaalakiota is a major arms manufacturer, but rather than profiting from expanded sales, it has seen its coffers drained to finance the Provists and the war effort in Black Rise. A consequence of entangling one's financial and governmental institutions, I suppose.
I may be naiive in this, but it seems to me that the largest single factor in the revitalization of the State economy is the restoration of the meritocracy. Before the Brothers of Freedom incident that swept Tibus Heth into the interstellar spotlight, the Caldari corporations had broadly fallen into a pattern where a stagnant Executive plutocracy, secure in its privilege, took shameless and exploitative advantage of the lower castes.
This may have helped profits, but it did little for the continued buying power of the work force. If you pay your workers wages they can barely survive on, you have little cause to complain that they don't spend more of it on gambling or sporting events you put on.
Nowadays, the meritocracy is an actual meritocracy again rather than a thin veneer over a plutocracy well on its way to becoming an aristocracy, and the Laborer and Technician castes are a bit more reliably given their due. It's a necessary correction for the State's health, and one that can hardly help but aid the economy. That's something we can actually thank Tibus Heth for. Otherwise, the former Executor's reign was a mixed blessing at best.
Of course, these reforms occurred at much the same time as the "war" got going, so it's difficult to say which had the larger effect. My sense of it is that the restoration of the State's traditional order did it all manner of good, but I can't say I think the fighting has done any damage to the arms trade-- well, unless your letterhead reads, "Kaalakiota," anyway. |
Galm Fae
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.08.29 23:27:00 -
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If anything, the Caldari more a symbol of patriotism than greed. What Tibus did was revitalize the moral of the entire State by (momentarily) giving every man, woman, and child in the State a goal to rally behind. Individual workers were no longer slaving before machinery for the gains of corporation overlords, they were working side by side and hand in hand for the good of the State. Retaking Caldari Prime gave us hope.
I'm sure a Matari can appreciate what that means.
Now, in time the Provists proved to be a blight on our nation. Even then however, this mistake has given birth to endless opportunity to those who know where to turn. I dare say the State is on the cusp of a Raata Renaissance |
Harkon Vysarii
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
456
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Posted - 2013.08.29 23:41:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote:And the millions to billions dead on both sides was worth it? Yes, the Caldari needed an excuse to get the efficiency of a wartime economy , but at what cost?
We didn't jump the Shigeru, nor did we sink it, nor did our captain detonate the ship in orbit killing billions more.
The Gallente did that. |
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Jedah McClintock
McClintock's Mercs
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Posted - 2013.08.30 01:30:00 -
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I'm just wondering how I can get in on some of that action. Never know how long it'll be before some new thing comes up and the financial situation of Caldari Constructions goes sideways again. |
Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:21:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:XANDER KAG wrote:And what about the crews of those capsuleer vessels? Yes, your government doesn't lose much, but millions die none the less.
I wasn't doubting your society's motives. My concern is the cost in lives that it took to bring your economy back to its current strength. Besides can you really deny that this war has helped bring your economy somewhat back to health? Even if it was just a new sense of purpose for your people that lead to it?
I don't assume that any more than you must think us nothing, but tribal savages. Don't force yourself to see racism where it doesn't exist. Respectfully, soldier, it's not really about racism; it takes a fairly foolish person to think the Caldari are somehow genetically wedded to profit. It's more a matter of cultural stereotyping: many outsiders think the Caldari are all about profit, and, from an outsider's perspective, this may often appear to actually be the case. As far as the war's effect on the Caldari economy goes: it may have helped in certain areas, but the most visible single result has been a major institution (Kaalakiota) looted to pay for the war. Kaalakiota is a major arms manufacturer, but rather than profiting from expanded sales, it has seen its coffers drained to finance the Provists and the war effort in Black Rise. A consequence of entangling one's financial and governmental institutions, I suppose. I may be naiive in this, but it seems to me that the largest single factor in the revitalization of the State economy is the restoration of the meritocracy. Before the Brothers of Freedom incident that swept Tibus Heth into the interstellar spotlight, the Caldari corporations had broadly fallen into a pattern where a stagnant Executive plutocracy, secure in its privilege, took shameless and exploitative advantage of the lower castes. This may have helped profits, but it did little for the continued buying power of the work force. If you pay your workers wages they can barely survive on, you have little cause to complain that they don't spend more of it on gambling or sporting events you put on. Nowadays, the meritocracy is an actual meritocracy again rather than a thin veneer over a plutocracy well on its way to becoming an aristocracy, and the Laborer and Technician castes are a bit more reliably given their due. It's a necessary correction for the State's health, and one that can hardly help but aid the economy. That's something we can actually thank Tibus Heth for. Otherwise, the former Executor's reign was a mixed blessing at best. Of course, these reforms occurred at much the same time as the "war" got going, so it's difficult to say which had the larger effect. My sense of it is that the restoration of the State's traditional order did it all manner of good, but I can't say I think the fighting has done any damage to the arms trade-- well, unless your letterhead reads, "Kaalakiota," anyway.
That's why I don't underhand the hold up to publicly release its railrifle platform, It's snipers are among the best in existence, and the Navy has had the rifles for decades now. The need for a medium-long range automatic combat weapon is huge, and KK stand to profit greatly from the sales, does the Navy still have all tied up in red tape? Because I thought the Tribunal was supposed to alleviate some of that after the ousting of Heth. |
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