DUST Search - Vehicle Weaponry (Removing Advanced and Prototype Turrets)

Aizen Intiki wrote:

Jason Pearson wrote:

Aizen Intiki wrote:

Those new turret types seems pretty useless, like the shotty Blaster. Also, the adjustments you made to the existing ones are not needed, other than the Scattered, which sounds nice (Actually, scratch that; I do like the missile ones, but make the accelerated missiles shoot 3 instead of 2, and make them do the same damage, and splash radius as now, and they move faster). However, I do like the tiercide aspect of all of this.

Funnily enough, Lillica said the same thing about the shotty blaster (I really want one), but I do feel it's a worthwhile weapon, it would wreak other HAVs in close range, imagine getting in close with it on a speed fit Minmatar Tank, chasing down that Caldari AI Tank and it's pathetic Scattered Blaster.. :D

Compressed is a useless blaster, only idiots ever use it, it needs a damage buff and I feel the adjustments made to it balance it out quite nicely.

About the three missiles, I wanted to do it, but the missile launcher has two sides, it'd bug me if it fired an uneven amount of missiles.. :D

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It still bothers me that a blaster would be inaccurate. As for the Accelerated missile launcher, it might be too late for it now, but if that would end up happening, how a redesigned turret. Actually, how about all the turrets gets redesigned according to what they do (like, a stabilized blaster would have a longer barrel, etc.). It would be easier to guess what your enemy is using, but it would look cooler.


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Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2810	Posted - 2013.08.28 01:05:00 - [1] - Quote First, GM/CCP tagged dudes, this is a discussion thread, not feedback as I am not prepared to say to you guys this is definitely what needs to be done, I'd like it to stay in GD so that it can be seen and discussed. Face it, when it comes to Vehicles vs Anti Vehicle, we're always going to run into the problem of tiers, Standard Tank v Proto AV, Standard Tank v Proto Tank, Standard AV vs Proto Tank, we're always going to run into this problem, and because the majority of Vehicle and AV balance discussion is focused on Tanks, the other vehicles get instagibbed by insanely powerful AV (Two forge shots to kill a 1,000,000 ISK Dropship, because that's totally reasonable.) Rather than keep following this idea of having tiers for Vehicles, why not just remove tiers for AV? Not only this, but remove Turret tiers too. Instead of tiers, offer various specializations that become even more specialized as you advance up the skilltree, this along with bonuses for specific types perhaps could become even more of a SP sink than it currently is. This thread is going to be discussing Turrets, below I've offered some suggestions on changes as well as new turrets. When I get around to writing about the AV weapons (I need to make sure they are fair for everyone as well as usable) then I will post a link in this thread. First, we need our Categories, that's Hybrid, Projectile, Laser and Missiles, these (My lovely EVE friends inform me) are the turrets available in EVE, and we should probably try to mirror it to some degree. Now I'm looking at Large Turrets, but we should keep it across all levels of turrets, High Damage turrets are good agaisnt Vehicles, but will suffer low RoF and Tracking speed, whereas Low Damage turrets are able to turn faster and shoot faster. You'll notice the names are the same as some of the ones we have now but I'm looking at them being rebalanced, and playing a different role. Hybrid: (Blasters and Railguns) - Blasters, close range weapons. Destabilized Blaster GÇô This Blaster mirrors a shotgun, firing a round of destabilized plasma dealing a large amount of damage but has high spread, making it very difficult to hit Infantry. - Range: Low - Rate of Fire: Low - Damage: Very High - Splash Radius: Low - Tracking Speed: Low - Ammo Count: Low - Heat Buildup: Very High Stabilized Blaster GÇô This blaster loses damage in exchange for an increased amount of range, it also suffers with tracking speed - Range: High - Rate of Fire: Medium - Damage: Medium - Splash Radius: Low - Tracking Speed: Low - Ammo Count: Medium - Heat Buildup: Medium Scattered Blaster GÇô This Blaster is a weak, high rate of fire blaster that is good at hitting Infantry but weak against vehicles. - Range: Low - Rate of Fire: High - Damage: Low - Splash Radius: Low - Tracking Speed: High - Ammo Count: High - Heat Buildup: Low Compressed Blaster GÇô This Blaster is strong but suffers from a low range and rate of fire. - Range: Low - Rate of Fire: Low - Damage: High - Splash Radius: Low - Tracking Speed: Medium - Ammo Count: Medium - Heat Buildup: High - Railguns, long range weapons. Accelerated Railgun GÇô The Accelerated Railgun is a low damage railgun, with high rate of fire and an average tracking speed, it also has a fair amount of ammo. - Range: High - Rate of Fire: High - Damage: Low - Splash Radius: Low - Tracking Speed: Medium - Ammo Count: Medium - Heat Buildup: Low Regulated Railgun GÇô The Regulated Railgun is an across the board average railgun, it suffers with its range because of this. - Range: Medium - Rate of Fire: Medium - Damage: Medium - Splash Radius: Low - Tracking Speed: Medium - Ammo Count: Medium - Heat Buildup: Medium Compressed Railgun GÇô The Compressed Railgun is a hard hitting railgun, it is great for HAV engagements - Range: High - Rate of Fire: Low - Damage: High - Splash Radius: Low - Tracking Speed: Low - Ammo Count: Low - Heat Buildup: High King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote: CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2810	Posted - 2013.08.28 01:06:00 - [2] - Quote Missiles: (Missiles) - Missiles, versatile explosive weapons. Rocket Launcher GÇô The Rocket Launcher fires short range rockets that inflict great direct damage, they travel fast but are slow between volleys. - Range: Low - Rate of Fire: Low - Damage: High - Splash Radius: Low - Tracking Speed: Low - Ammo Count: Low - Volley Amount: Four - Missile Speed: Fast Guided Missile Launcher GÇô The Guided Missile Launcher are Anti Vehicle Launchers, capable of locking onto the target and firing high speed, low damage missiles, it has a decent amount of range. - Range: Medium - Rate of Fire: Low - Damage: Low - Splash Radius: Low - Tracking Speed: Low - Ammo Count: Medium - Volley Amount: Four - Missile Speed: Fast Assault Missile Launcher GÇô The Assault Missile Launcher is a versatile Missile Launcher that fires Missiles one by one as long as the Trigger is held down, it has a High RoF, Medium Damage and decent missile travel speed. - Range: Medium - Rate of Fire: High - Damage: Medium - Splash Radius: Low - Tracking Speed: Medium - Ammo Count: Medium - Volley Amount: One (Hold R1 till it needs to reload for continous firing) - Missile Speed: Medium Fragmented Missile Launcher GÇô The Fragmented Missile Launcher is an Anti Infantry Missile, the Missiles do low direct damage but offer a large splash radius, the weapon is better at close range but can be fired from a Medium Distance. - Range: Medium - Rate of Fire: Medium - Damage: Low - Splash Radius: High - Tracking Speed: Medium - Ammo Count: Medium - Volley Amount: Six - Missile Speed: Medium Cycled Missile Launcher GÇô The Cycled Missile is able to fire a large amount of Missiles at once inflicting severe damage to the target, but it suffers tracking speed penalties and also has been found to use a large amount of ammo quickly. - Range: High - Rate of Fire: Low - Damage: Medium - Splash Radius: Low - Tracking Speed: Low - Ammo Count: Medium - Volley Amount: Eight Accelerated Missile Launcher GÇô The Accelerated Missile is a Long Range Missile Launcher, it comes equipped with High Powered Missiles but can only fire two at a time, it also has a low ammo capacity. - Range: High - Rate of Fire: High - Damage: Low - Splash Radius: Low - Tracking Speed: Medium - Ammo Count: Low - Volley Amount: Two - Missile Speed: Fast King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote: CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2810	Posted - 2013.08.28 01:07:00 - [3] - Quote Reserved for Projectiles King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote: CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2810	Posted - 2013.08.28 01:07:00 - [4] - Quote Reserved for Lasers King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote: CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2816	Posted - 2013.08.28 01:23:00 - [5] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: Those new turret types seems pretty useless, like the shotty Blaster. Also, the adjustments you made to the existing ones are not needed, other than the Scattered, which sounds nice (Actually, scratch that; I do like the missile ones, but make the accelerated missiles shoot 3 instead of 2, and make them do the same damage, and splash radius as now, and they move faster). However, I do like the tiercide aspect of all of this. Funnily enough, Lillica said the same thing about the shotty blaster (I really want one), but I do feel it's a worthwhile weapon, it would wreak other HAVs in close range, imagine getting in close with it on a speed fit Minmatar Tank, chasing down that Caldari AI Tank and it's pathetic Scattered Blaster.. :D Compressed is a useless blaster, only idiots ever use it, it needs a damage buff and I feel the adjustments made to it balance it out quite nicely. About the three missiles, I wanted to do it, but the missile launcher has two sides, it'd bug me if it fired an uneven amount of missiles.. :D King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote: CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2825	Posted - 2013.08.28 01:52:00 - [6] - Quote This is not going to page 2, I spent too much damn time thinking about what adjustments could be made -¼ _ -¼ King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote: CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2825	Posted - 2013.08.28 01:57:00 - [7] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: Those new turret types seems pretty useless, like the shotty Blaster. Also, the adjustments you made to the existing ones are not needed, other than the Scattered, which sounds nice (Actually, scratch that; I do like the missile ones, but make the accelerated missiles shoot 3 instead of 2, and make them do the same damage, and splash radius as now, and they move faster). However, I do like the tiercide aspect of all of this. Funnily enough, Lillica said the same thing about the shotty blaster (I really want one), but I do feel it's a worthwhile weapon, it would wreak other HAVs in close range, imagine getting in close with it on a speed fit Minmatar Tank, chasing down that Caldari AI Tank and it's pathetic Scattered Blaster.. :D Compressed is a useless blaster, only idiots ever use it, it needs a damage buff and I feel the adjustments made to it balance it out quite nicely. About the three missiles, I wanted to do it, but the missile launcher has two sides, it'd bug me if it fired an uneven amount of missiles.. :D King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote: CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step. It still bothers me that a blaster would be inaccurate. As for the Accelerated missile launcher, it might be too late for it now, but if that would end up happening, how a redesigned turret. Actually, how about all the turrets gets redesigned according to what they do (like, a stabilized blaster would have a longer barrel, etc.). It would be easier to guess what your enemy is using, but it would look cooler. It'd be inaccurate against Infantry (You could still kill them though), it might even work well against groups of Infantry but a Fragmented Missile Launcher would be better.. It's real power would be as AT, like I said, speed fit tank with this baby on it getting round the back of railgun tanks and ripping through them.. mwahaha glorious. Oh and definitely would be great, if we had it so you could see the visual differences between the weaponry (Destabilized more box looking, stabilized with a long barrels) then it'd be an even greater thing for vehicle players, the ones that put the time in to learn about different weapons would be more successful. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote: CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2825	Posted - 2013.08.28 01:58:00 - [8] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: This is not going to page 2, I spent too much damn time thinking about what adjustments could be made -¼ _ -¼ King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote: CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step. wtf are you on about? Thread was just about to go to Page 2 of General Discussion :( King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote: CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2849	Posted - 2013.08.28 04:57:00 - [9] - Quote After talking with Lurch, even with tiers I think these variants are needed :P That's what bores me about this game, "Oh it's so complex" No, if you've not only played ** games all your life then its not complex, it's a bit to take in at first but once you understand what goes where, you're sorted. These turret variants would help keep vehicles fresh, it would also mean paying attention to what everyone else is using and plan accordingly, your buddy using an Anti Infantry turret? Perhaps you should look at fitting a Anti Tank blaster and sticking close by the Infantry stomper. You want dual capabilities?! Try giving a small turret position to a friend. @Lillica Shotty Blaster is amazing, get out. I think by keeping it as a low damage high speed weapon, it means it won't be used against Tanks to just pop your turret out and lock on :/ King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote:** CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2864	Posted - 2013.08.28 13:05:00 - [10] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: I like this idea as a whole but I also have to disagree about the shotgun blaster.. :P Well now I just don't want any part of this idea at all. :/ King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote: CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.

Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2867	Posted - 2013.08.28 15:16:00 - [11] - Quote Lillica Deathdealer wrote: The thing is any tank that decided to rush the locking variant would probably pop it easily. They can use cover to reach the locking-type tank, fire on it whenever they want to while the locking-type tank has to reaquire the target each time before firing, and if they do feel its troublesome the tanks can easily pop active modules and rush without care because of the locking-types poor fire rate due to having to lock-on first. That would be exactly the point, the guide missiles would work well against fast ground and aerial vehicles but suffer against heavy vehicles. The guided missiles would need to have the ability to look higher than other turrets, creating an AA turret (rather than an AA Tank hull). So in short; HAV with Guided Missiles > Aerial Vehicles (Probably light variants, along with light ground vehicles) > Heavy Vehicles with no AA capabiltiy > HAV with Guided Missiles. Ta-da. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote: CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.