DUST Search - The upcoming vehicle av war

demonkiller 12 wrote:

calisk galern wrote:

Mortedeamor wrote:

calisk galern wrote:

so by your definition proto tanks are balanced when they can troll roll pubs.

noted.

my definition of balance is when it takes more than one of me to shutdown an entire field. vehicles are pathetic in dust they need to be buffed and if you get rampaged by vehicles it is either because you have no good av, or because you suck in dust. regardless a tank should be able to tank serious av fora period of time atm it cant they are being buffed ds and lav all the vehicles are being reworked and balanced vs proto av. if the matchmaking system were fixed then proto skilled tanks wouldnt be put in with scrubs.

requiring 2 people to destroy a tank is fine for pc, but if you apply those tanks to a pub match you will walk through that match without a single threat.

you're lucky to find a single dedicated AV person in most pub matches, let alone 2 that will work as a team.

after that is said what reason exactly do tanks get this advantage? you spec into your skills, I spec into mine. why should you be worth 2 players on the board?

because your vehicle is more expensive? for that advantage you are simply immune to 85% of the weapons in the game, your weapons fire farther then most you deal more damage, your guns have no ammo, and have high resistance mods we don't have access to.

end of the day I want to see vehicles stronger then they are, but honestly the games systems are not in place for them to fulfill that role, the devs do not accommodate organized teams in casual play and thus vehicles cannot be more then they are now without turning pubs into tank514.

thats complete and utter bullshit, most people have proto AV of some sort, proto forge, proto swarms, or laidais because everyone seems to ******* use core nades that means they can ALL use lai dais, why should a tank be able to dominate? BECAUSE ITS A ******* TANK - why? YES BECAUSE IT COSTS A RIDICULOUS AMOUNT OF ISK- why? because money makes this game work and at any time in any match if theres someone i dont want to win i could pay every single one of his 15 team mates 100mil isk to afk

There is no AR514, Tanks514, AFK514, MD514, LLAV514
there is only ISK514 - with money i can do anything and everything
and theres no way you can ******* stop me

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Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 167	Posted - 2013.08.27 12:25:00 - [1] - Quote so vehicles and av are being balanced 1.5 i like what i am hearing from wolfman and i am 100% confident in his abilities to bring us the vehicles we have dreamed of for dust for over a year (unlike ccp blam) tanks will be brought back and this time with limited ammo oo yummy it will be valid proto v proto fighting tanks fully specced will be able to stand proto av teams. finally taking down a tank will require teamwork and coordination maybe even skills. soon tankers will have their revenge my gunlogi will be let out of its garage. get ready scrubs the time of easy peasy vehicle kills is soon to be gone. step up your av game touch up your vehicle skills soon the war expands to = fair vehicle av battle. i cant wait. stock up your tanks and av
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F 791	Posted - 2013.08.27 12:27:00 - [2] - Quote so by your definition proto tanks are balanced when they can troll roll pubs. noted.
Big Popa Smurff Seraphim Initiative.. 667	Posted - 2013.08.27 12:32:00 - [3] - Quote im a dedicated forge gunner and personally cant wait! its been no fun blowing up vehicles lately, no adrenaline rush, no skill, no challenge.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2781	Posted - 2013.08.27 12:32:00 - [4] - Quote calisk galern wrote: so by your definition proto tanks are balanced when they can troll roll pubs. noted. Bad. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote: CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 398	Posted - 2013.08.27 12:34:00 - [5] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: tanks fully specced will be able to stand proto av teams not going to happen, simply because CCP is not ******** and does not want to make the game into tanks514. a single guy will still be able to make you run in your tank and kill you if you are going to stay. it is not rocket science, if it required to have more than one person to have tank under control the team with more tanks win tilll both teams have equal amount of tanks because it gives the team with more tanks artificial numbers advantage when the other team has to bring more people with dedicated AV weaponry (which automatically reduces their firepower against other targets).
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 361	Posted - 2013.08.27 12:36:00 - [6] - Quote Where's this new information come from, please link, I'm on my phone n it's a pain to browse forums :-(
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 168	Posted - 2013.08.27 12:40:00 - [7] - Quote calisk galern wrote: so by your definition proto tanks are balanced when they can troll roll pubs. noted. my definition of balance is when it takes more than one of me to shutdown an entire field. vehicles are pathetic in dust they need to be buffed and if you get rampaged by vehicles it is either because you have no good av, or because you suck in dust. regardless a tank should be able to tank serious av fora period of time atm it cant they are being buffed ds and lav all the vehicles are being reworked and balanced vs proto av. if the matchmaking system were fixed then proto skilled tanks wouldnt be put in with scrubs.
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 168	Posted - 2013.08.27 12:43:00 - [8] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=104985&find=unread Needless Sacermendor wrote: Where's this new information come from, please link, I'm on my phone n it's a pain to browse forums :-(
Big Popa Smurff Seraphim Initiative.. 669	Posted - 2013.08.27 12:52:00 - [9] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=104985&find=unread Needless Sacermendor wrote: Where's this new information come from, please link, I'm on my phone n it's a pain to browse forums :-( Sounds awesome
Billi Gene Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 349	Posted - 2013.08.27 12:53:00 - [10] - Quote roadmap looks solid for vehicles for a change! certainly if they get it right, tanking should be fun, engaging and require more than blind luck

Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 169	Posted - 2013.08.27 12:58:00 - [11] - Quote Billi Gene wrote: roadmap looks solid for vehicles for a change! certainly if they get it right, tanking should be fun, engaging and require more than blind luck and wolfman is definitely better than blam and it looks like community input will be major..so i am hoping to see positive constructive feedback on vehicles over the next month or 2 the map is laid it looks nice. maybe dust will be saved
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F 792	Posted - 2013.08.27 13:00:00 - [12] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: calisk galern wrote: so by your definition proto tanks are balanced when they can troll roll pubs. noted. my definition of balance is when it takes more than one of me to shutdown an entire field. vehicles are pathetic in dust they need to be buffed and if you get rampaged by vehicles it is either because you have no good av, or because you suck in dust. regardless a tank should be able to tank serious av fora period of time atm it cant they are being buffed ds and lav all the vehicles are being reworked and balanced vs proto av. if the matchmaking system were fixed then proto skilled tanks wouldnt be put in with scrubs. requiring 2 people to destroy a tank is fine for pc, but if you apply those tanks to a pub match you will walk through that match without a single threat. you're lucky to find a single dedicated AV person in most pub matches, let alone 2 that will work as a team. after that is said what reason exactly do tanks get this advantage? you spec into your skills, I spec into mine. why should you be worth 2 players on the board? because your vehicle is more expensive? for that advantage you are simply immune to 85% of the weapons in the game, your weapons fire farther then most you deal more damage, your guns have no ammo, and have high resistance mods we don't have access to. end of the day I want to see vehicles stronger then they are, but honestly the games systems are not in place for them to fulfill that role, the devs do not accommodate organized teams in casual play and thus vehicles cannot be more then they are now without turning pubs into tank514.
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 882	Posted - 2013.08.27 13:04:00 - [13] - Quote Hope HAV require "team work" as in 3 proto guys to take out. That way it will speed up another Nerf. and the cycle will continue. Only game that WILL NEED A 10 year plan just to balance not only av vs hav but weapons as well.
MarasdF Loron Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 85	Posted - 2013.08.27 13:05:00 - [14] - Quote Big Popa Smurff wrote: im a dedicated forge gunner and personally cant wait! its been no fun blowing up vehicles lately, no adrenaline rush, no skill, no challenge. Yeah I think I've lost some tanks to your Forge a couple of times in a matter of seconds, lol. Not sure though.
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 171	Posted - 2013.08.27 13:19:00 - [15] - Quote yeah papa smurf u know me i dual wield both proto av oo and i has my forge to prof V now as well as my swarm tanks yawns boring give them some more power wolfman
Billi Gene Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 349	Posted - 2013.08.27 13:22:00 - [16] - Quote by the looks of it, it is going to be alot freer with tank fittings. No small turrets required for fittings. Modules that are tightly focused on what they are meant to do. Active tank mods that greatly increase survival but at increased cooldown times and cpu/pg cost. although i'd hazard that we won't be seeing proto tanks till at least 1.7, so survival will still be iffy-and really Advanced should be the metric imho >.<, but we should now be able to fit out HAV like a drop suit, standard fittings and niche fittings. i wonder if ammo mods come built in?
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1097	Posted - 2013.08.27 13:23:00 - [17] - Quote You expect proto in 1.5? I dont, they are removing more than adding it reads
demonkiller 12 Seraphim Auxiliaries 130	Posted - 2013.08.27 13:25:00 - [18] - Quote calisk galern wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: calisk galern wrote: so by your definition proto tanks are balanced when they can troll roll pubs. noted. my definition of balance is when it takes more than one of me to shutdown an entire field. vehicles are pathetic in dust they need to be buffed and if you get rampaged by vehicles it is either because you have no good av, or because you suck in dust. regardless a tank should be able to tank serious av fora period of time atm it cant they are being buffed ds and lav all the vehicles are being reworked and balanced vs proto av. if the matchmaking system were fixed then proto skilled tanks wouldnt be put in with scrubs. requiring 2 people to destroy a tank is fine for pc, but if you apply those tanks to a pub match you will walk through that match without a single threat. you're lucky to find a single dedicated AV person in most pub matches, let alone 2 that will work as a team. after that is said what reason exactly do tanks get this advantage? you spec into your skills, I spec into mine. why should you be worth 2 players on the board? because your vehicle is more expensive? for that advantage you are simply immune to 85% of the weapons in the game, your weapons fire farther then most you deal more damage, your guns have no ammo, and have high resistance mods we don't have access to. end of the day I want to see vehicles stronger then they are, but honestly the games systems are not in place for them to fulfill that role, the devs do not accommodate organized teams in casual play and thus vehicles cannot be more then they are now without turning pubs into tank514. thats complete and utter bullshit, most people have proto AV of some sort, proto forge, proto swarms, or laidais because everyone seems to ***** use core nades that means they can ALL use lai dais, why should a tank be able to dominate? BECAUSE ITS A *** TANK - why? YES BECAUSE IT COSTS A RIDICULOUS AMOUNT OF ISK- why? because money makes this game work and at any time in any match if theres someone i dont want to win i could pay every single one of his 15 team mates 100mil isk to afk There is no AR514, Tanks514, AFK514, MD514, LLAV514 there is only ISK514 - with money i can do anything and everything and theres no way you can ***** stop me
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F 794	Posted - 2013.08.27 13:34:00 - [19] - Quote demonkiller 12 wrote: calisk galern wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: calisk galern wrote: so by your definition proto tanks are balanced when they can troll roll pubs. noted. my definition of balance is when it takes more than one of me to shutdown an entire field. vehicles are pathetic in dust they need to be buffed and if you get rampaged by vehicles it is either because you have no good av, or because you suck in dust. regardless a tank should be able to tank serious av fora period of time atm it cant they are being buffed ds and lav all the vehicles are being reworked and balanced vs proto av. if the matchmaking system were fixed then proto skilled tanks wouldnt be put in with scrubs. requiring 2 people to destroy a tank is fine for pc, but if you apply those tanks to a pub match you will walk through that match without a single threat. you're lucky to find a single dedicated AV person in most pub matches, let alone 2 that will work as a team. after that is said what reason exactly do tanks get this advantage? you spec into your skills, I spec into mine. why should you be worth 2 players on the board? because your vehicle is more expensive? for that advantage you are simply immune to 85% of the weapons in the game, your weapons fire farther then most you deal more damage, your guns have no ammo, and have high resistance mods we don't have access to. end of the day I want to see vehicles stronger then they are, but honestly the games systems are not in place for them to fulfill that role, the devs do not accommodate organized teams in casual play and thus vehicles cannot be more then they are now without turning pubs into tank514. thats complete and utter bullshit, most people have proto AV of some sort, proto forge, proto swarms, or laidais because everyone seems to ***** use core nades that means they can ALL use lai dais, why should a tank be able to dominate? BECAUSE ITS A *** TANK - why? YES BECAUSE IT COSTS A RIDICULOUS AMOUNT OF ISK- why? because money makes this game work and at any time in any match if theres someone i dont want to win i could pay every single one of his 15 team mates 100mil isk to afk There is no AR514, Tanks514, AFK514, MD514, LLAV514 there is only ISK514 - with money i can do anything and everything and theres no way you can ***** stop me sorry couldn't read that at all, to much astericks and ranting....I think their might of been a point in their.
Racro 01 Arifistan The Surrogates Of War 28	Posted - 2013.08.27 13:40:00 - [20] - Quote when the enemy squad begins to proto stomp your team in 1.5........................... RIP OUT THE SURYA WITH SCATTERED IONCANNON AND ALL MY BEST EQUIPMENT CAUSE IAM GANNA MAKE ME SOME PROTO GEAR DINNER!

Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 400	Posted - 2013.08.27 13:44:00 - [21] - Quote obviously another thread made and liked by those guys that cannot drive and fit their tanks properly, then go rambo with them into a full proto squad and wonder why their tank explodes after getting nailed by 15 proto AV grenades. Cant wait for 1.4, my buffed swarms will extract alot of tears
Serimos Haeraven Deep Space Republic Top Men. 446	Posted - 2013.08.27 13:47:00 - [22] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: so vehicles and av are being balanced 1.5 i like what i am hearing from wolfman and i am 100% confident in his abilities to bring us the vehicles we have dreamed of for dust for over a year (unlike ccp blam) tanks will be brought back and this time with limited ammo oo yummy it will be valid proto v proto fighting tanks fully specced will be able to stand proto av teams. finally taking down a tank will require teamwork and coordination maybe even skills. soon tankers will have their revenge my gunlogi will be let out of its garage. get ready scrubs the time of easy peasy vehicle kills is soon to be gone. step up your av game touch up your vehicle skills soon the war expands to = fair vehicle av battle. i cant wait. stock up your tanks and av And what about those proto dropships that in reality behave like standard/advanced dropships? I sure hope they fix that in 1.5... If not... bye bye Dust
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 171	Posted - 2013.08.27 14:25:00 - [23] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: obviously another thread made and liked by those guys that cannot drive and fit their tanks properly, then go rambo with them into a full proto squad and wonder why their tank explodes after getting nailed by 15 proto AV grenades. Cant wait for 1.4, my buffed swarms will extract alot of tears lol nope i am a dual proto prof V av spec and i am sick of insta popping you scruberries
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 400	Posted - 2013.08.27 14:41:00 - [24] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Jack McReady wrote: obviously another thread made and liked by those guys that cannot drive and fit their tanks properly, then go rambo with them into a full proto squad and wonder why their tank explodes after getting nailed by 15 proto AV grenades. Cant wait for 1.4, my buffed swarms will extract alot of tears lol nope i am a dual proto prof V av spec and i am sick of insta popping you scruberries i would like to see any weapon "insta popping" a well fitted tank with 6k hp and resists mods, this is never going to happen...
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 171	Posted - 2013.08.27 14:53:00 - [25] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: Jack McReady wrote: obviously another thread made and liked by those guys that cannot drive and fit their tanks properly, then go rambo with them into a full proto squad and wonder why their tank explodes after getting nailed by 15 proto AV grenades. Cant wait for 1.4, my buffed swarms will extract alot of tears lol nope i am a dual proto prof V av spec and i am sick of insta popping you scruberries i would like to see any weapon "insta popping" a well fitted tank with 6k hp and resists mods, this is never going to happen... well sadly i can never seem to bump into a tanker by myself there is always some blue bie with some av hitting said tank with everything on which is not likely to happen till after the first hit my swarms kill all madrugars in 2 shots ...assuming they dont see the first shot and they are not hybrid tanked thy will lose all shields and weel over half armor ...now considering my swarms engage a tank at 400m-300m i gen fire five vollies before the first one hits. so the tank get hit with the first one freaks out hit all hardeners and reppers 2-5 follow in 1.2 sec intervals killing said tank ...from first impact on gen it takes 2.4-4.8 seconds to kill any madrugar depending on its condition even less never more unless he is full hp with modules fresh...then the only way he will survive is if between vollies 2-3 he manages to block swarm 4-5 then he may survive on fire to have a lav pull up on him and toss a lai dai out..my point is real av v tank engagements last a boring 1-6 seconds. very instantaneous and unfulfilling way to lose so much isk. wolfman intends to fix this and as vehicles are one of the WORST aspects of dust this is a good thing for this game.
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 171	Posted - 2013.08.27 14:54:00 - [26] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: Jack McReady wrote: obviously another thread made and liked by those guys that cannot drive and fit their tanks properly, then go rambo with them into a full proto squad and wonder why their tank explodes after getting nailed by 15 proto AV grenades. Cant wait for 1.4, my buffed swarms will extract alot of tears lol nope i am a dual proto prof V av spec and i am sick of insta popping you scruberries i would like to see any weapon "insta popping" a well fitted tank with 6k hp and resists mods, this is never going to happen... quesync with me ill show you how a tank is insta popped
Sgt Buttscratch G I A N T EoN. 685	Posted - 2013.08.27 16:02:00 - [27] - Quote As part of this "balance", which wont be a balance, I think vehicles should not be able to recall within 30 seconds of last damage dealt. Few times today, got a great vantage on a tank, unleashed the fury, meanwhile he just gets out his tank and starts recalling. It should give the user a message about current danger levels and deny him/her.
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 882	Posted - 2013.08.27 16:26:00 - [28] - Quote demonkiller 12 wrote: calisk galern wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: calisk galern wrote: so by your definition proto tanks are balanced when they can troll roll pubs. noted. my definition of balance is when it takes more than one of me to shutdown an entire field. vehicles are pathetic in dust they need to be buffed and if you get rampaged by vehicles it is either because you have no good av, or because you suck in dust. regardless a tank should be able to tank serious av fora period of time atm it cant they are being buffed ds and lav all the vehicles are being reworked and balanced vs proto av. if the matchmaking system were fixed then proto skilled tanks wouldnt be put in with scrubs. requiring 2 people to destroy a tank is fine for pc, but if you apply those tanks to a pub match you will walk through that match without a single threat. you're lucky to find a single dedicated AV person in most pub matches, let alone 2 that will work as a team. after that is said what reason exactly do tanks get this advantage? you spec into your skills, I spec into mine. why should you be worth 2 players on the board? because your vehicle is more expensive? for that advantage you are simply immune to 85% of the weapons in the game, your weapons fire farther then most you deal more damage, your guns have no ammo, and have high resistance mods we don't have access to. end of the day I want to see vehicles stronger then they are, but honestly the games systems are not in place for them to fulfill that role, the devs do not accommodate organized teams in casual play and thus vehicles cannot be more then they are now without turning pubs into tank514. thats complete and utter bullshit, most people have proto AV of some sort, proto forge, proto swarms, or laidais because everyone seems to ***** use core nades that means they can ALL use lai dais, why should a tank be able to dominate? BECAUSE ITS A *** TANK - why? YES BECAUSE IT COSTS A RIDICULOUS AMOUNT OF ISK- why? because money makes this game work and at any time in any match if theres someone i dont want to win i could pay every single one of his 15 team mates 100mil isk to afk There is no AR514, Tanks514, AFK514, MD514, LLAV514 there is only ISK514 - with money i can do anything and everything and theres no way you can ***** stop me you pay people, so you don't have to fight? even noobs that never played a fps so they jump in a tank are not as pathetic as that. That's just sad dude.


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