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DeadlyAztec11
Red Star Jr. EoN.
2008
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Posted - 2013.08.25 14:39:00 -
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I feel it is fun to use, but not really competitive. I don't have the proto version but the advanced version is worse than the MAR(Militia AR). I think it might be awesome if you stacked a lot of Complex damage mods.
What do you guy's think? |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1810
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Posted - 2013.08.25 14:43:00 -
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Junk, suffers poor hit detection. |
Knight Soiaire
Better Hide R Die
2006
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Posted - 2013.08.25 14:46:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Junk, suffers poor hit detection.
^
Main problem with every Breach weapon is that half your shots dont register.
And you need to be able to hit every shot for it to be effective. |
Yuna Mayn
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:01:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Junk, suffers poor hit detection. i couldn't agree more! AR sucks! These is another weapon which is more powerful LONG SHOOTING RANGE,HIGH DPS HIGH DPH,AND WHAT'S MORE?! AOE DAMAGE! WTF!THIS IS DUST514 NOT WOW514 You know what am I talking! AR sucks!It really needs buff! |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
697
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:29:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I feel it is fun to use, but not really competitive. I don't have the proto version but the advanced version is worse than the MAR(Militia AR). I think it might be awesome if you stacked a lot of Complex damage mods.
What do you guy's think?
The RoF is just too slow..... either that or the clip size is too small. Its difficult to use effectively but im only at the early stages of experimenting with it right now. |
Skyhound Solbrave
Rough Riders..
200
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:33:00 -
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Fix hit detection, fix the Breach AR.
Tbh, I think it's fine where it is sans poor hit detection. It just requires practice. |
DeadlyAztec11
Red Star Jr. EoN.
2008
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:37:00 -
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We'll it shares the same rate of fire as the TAR but does not have the damage. It also has less ammo than the TAR. I am not sure why you wouldn't just use the TAR instead. |
Aleksander Black
Immortal Retribution
33
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:42:00 -
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With a couple damage modifiers it is good enough at what it's supposed to do: be used in long range combat - long range compared to other assault rifles at least. At longer ranges it is easier to hit all the shots and the dps is pretty brutal, considering that your opponent wont be putting anything like the damage you are dealing with a regular assault rifle. Unless they have some insane sharpshooting V or something, I'm not really sure, but that's the overall impression I got from the Breach AR. Let the Rail Rifle come!
But it sucks beyond any reasonable limit at close quarters, its pretty frustrating having to use it like that. |
Dale Templar
Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack
358
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:54:00 -
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Aleksander Black wrote:With a couple damage modifiers it is good enough at what it's supposed to do: be used in long range combat - long range compared to other assault rifles at least. At longer ranges it is easier to hit all the shots and the dps is pretty brutal, considering that your opponent wont be putting anything like the damage you are dealing with a regular assault rifle. Unless they have some insane sharpshooting V or something, I'm not really sure, but that's the overall impression I got from the Breach AR. Let the Rail Rifle come!
But it sucks beyond any reasonable limit at close quarters, its pretty frustrating having to use it like that.
Have you used a Breach AR before? |
Makuta Miserix
Better Hide R Die
164
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:54:00 -
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The Breach AR is better suited for long ranged combat due to the damage fall off not eating as much damage when compared to the AR. Which is the exact opposite of it's intended use. But, I have noticed that when in CQB with heavies (Pre-1.2) it ate away at there HP. While the AR would slowly strip it down.
I have a cheap fitting with a STD Breach AR that I use if I feel like I'm losing ISK, in CQB's the AR kills me much faster, compared to the Breach. So, to be honest, I feel like it would be fairly hard to balance it without making it too effective, or not effective enough.
Perhaps the answer lies elsewhere.
Just my 0.02 ISK. |
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1057
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:57:00 -
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Need a buff |
DeadlyAztec11
Red Star Jr. EoN.
2009
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Posted - 2013.08.25 16:02:00 -
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Makuta Miserix wrote:The Breach AR is better suited for long ranged combat due to the damage fall off not eating as much damage when compared to the AR. Which is the exact opposite of it's intended use. But, I have noticed that when in CQB with heavies (Pre-1.2) it ate away at there HP. While the AR would slowly strip it down. I have a cheap fitting with a STD Breach AR that I use if I feel like I'm losing ISK, in CQB's the AR kills me much faster, compared to the Breach. So, to be honest, I feel like it would be fairly hard to balance it without making it too effective, or not effective enough. Perhaps the answer lies elsewhere. Just my 0.02 ISK. I would think, make the damage fall off extreme but keep the damage high in close range. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1811
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Posted - 2013.08.25 16:03:00 -
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In CQC you always go for the weapon with the highest RoF, cause even with good RoF you'll still miss a lot. Breach AR, like the rail rifle will soon be, is better for long range engagements where you can land a higher percentage of shots.
This is why I've swapped to the SMG for PC, more bullets, more chances to hit.
Breach is just poor design. You don't want low RoF for CQC.
This is why assault smg is the best by far, longer range and more bullets. Clear winner, its better in both cqc and long range. |
Racro 01 Arifistan
The Surrogates Of War
27
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Posted - 2013.08.25 16:04:00 -
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i use the credron breach ar it is really fun to use and IS more powerful than the duvolle. the set back to breach ar's is that your effective range is much less than other assult rifles. its most effective within 5 -20m of your target. best way to get the most damge is 2 complex mods and constanlty pressuring your target. i've seen pro caladri assults with 450 sheild. expect this to drop withn 3-4 shots from your clip. you'll probly be shooting more than that but overall its is quite fun to use adn could do with an extra 5-10m more effective range and 2.4 extra base damage. or either a slighlty faster RoF so it can compete against HMG's (recommended not to fight these as yoru ranges are practically the same.) |
Aleksander Black
Immortal Retribution
34
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Posted - 2013.08.25 16:16:00 -
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Dale Templar wrote:Aleksander Black wrote:With a couple damage modifiers it is good enough at what it's supposed to do: be used in long range combat - long range compared to other assault rifles at least. At longer ranges it is easier to hit all the shots and the dps is pretty brutal, considering that your opponent wont be putting anything like the damage you are dealing with a regular assault rifle. Unless they have some insane sharpshooting V or something, I'm not really sure, but that's the overall impression I got from the Breach AR. Let the Rail Rifle come!
But it sucks beyond any reasonable limit at close quarters, its pretty frustrating having to use it like that. Have you used a Breach AR before?
Yes, I have used it. Not much, but enough to figure that I'd rather have a regular AR in CQC and that it works better with some range between you and your target. And two damage mods, while you are at it, which is pretty much what everyone else also said. |
Doc Noah
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
477
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Posted - 2013.08.25 17:11:00 -
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I have used the breach at range and it feels like it does less damage than an assault. RoF aside, it feels like they share the same damage dropoff when outside effective range.
Shooting breach AR at range is like tickling them, shooting the assault at range is like a rapid fire tickle.
In CQC, assault wins hands down, even on targets unaware and eat bullets from the back. Breach gives them a chance to react but assault will destroy whats left of them. |
HYENAKILLER X
TEAM SHINOBI
221
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Posted - 2013.08.25 17:17:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I feel it is fun to use, but not really competitive. I don't have the proto version but the advanced version is worse than the MAR(Militia AR). I think it might be awesome if you stacked a lot of Complex damage mods.
What do you guy's think? Its not. If you are on a roof or high pipes you are good. In the open you are dead. |
Aria Gomes
DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY
26
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Posted - 2013.08.25 17:23:00 -
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I use it from time to time. I love the way it sounds and I do get some kills with it. I use 3 different ARs not including the Militia. You have to get use to each gun. Burst you can't just hold down R1 you gotta tap it or feather it. GEK ; hold R1 and aim as good as possible and Breach; you can go eother way it. It's an inbetween gun. |
Cobra CLUTCH79
OVERLORDS OF THE ONI SERPENT
31
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Posted - 2013.08.25 17:36:00 -
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its crap. |
Smooth Assassin
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2013.08.25 17:46:00 -
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Yuna Mayn wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Junk, suffers poor hit detection. i couldn't agree more! AR sucks! These is another weapon which is more powerful LONG SHOOTING RANGE,HIGH DPS HIGH DPH,AND WHAT'S MORE?! AOE DAMAGE! WTF!THIS IS DUST514 NOT WOW514 You know what am I talking! AR sucks!It really needs buff! You have 1 likes your opinion does not compute |
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lbc213 dubcrip
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.08.25 17:50:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I feel it is fun to use, but not really competitive. I don't have the proto version but the advanced version is worse than the MAR(Militia AR). I think it might be awesome if you stacked a lot of Complex damage mods.
What do you guy's think? They nerf rate of fire this built it be 700 rate.of fire now its 400 cause of crybabies... |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
753
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Posted - 2013.08.25 18:41:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Junk, suffers poor hit detection. ^ Main problem with every Breach weapon is that half your shots dont register. And you need to be able to hit every shot for it to be effective. I agree on the hit detection. Like many here i started out using the breach way back when.
I just picked it up again thinking it might be good practice for the combat rifle. It really makes me focus on landing my shots.
And if hit detection/lag gets fixed it will be beast. =) |
HYENAKILLER X
TEAM SHINOBI
221
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Posted - 2013.08.25 19:37:00 -
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lbc213 dubcrip wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I feel it is fun to use, but not really competitive. I don't have the proto version but the advanced version is worse than the MAR(Militia AR). I think it might be awesome if you stacked a lot of Complex damage mods.
What do you guy's think? They nerf rate of fire this built it be 700 rate.of fire now its 400 cause of crybabies... Lol for a very very good reason. 700 rate of fire at 56 damage per bullet. Add 42% and you are hitting close to 80. Thats insane. Lol at the guys getting smoked like that though hehe. |
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