DUST Search - Should the Grenadier skill allow you access to all grenades?

Rei Shepard wrote:

Shattered Mirage wrote:

Rei Shepard wrote:

Rossiya diya Trolley wrote:

Yes to the standard versions of each yes. but for proto and advanced no, should be a seperate skill tree. Hell AV grenades shouldn't even exist, god knows we don't need everyone running with proto versions of those.

Because puling the pin on a standard grenade is so much more difficult on an advanced or prototype version, right ?

And what is the basis for AV grenades not to excist ? because they don't excist in RL ? OW WAIT THEY DO.......

I rather think they should add a damage model on vehicles, so when your track is hit from the first detonation, your tank is stuck unable to move, hows that for a realism change ?

Oh wait.... this isn't real life now is it? Shocked

Because it makes sense that stuff we can make today as a weaponsystem, somehow 4000 years in the future where wars are waged on a daily basis with clones that revive after being killed, they forgot to make AV nades.

Makes perfect sense if you put it like that /slowclap...

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Hmm.... I'm thinking they should leave it as it is but, reduce damage across the board with grenades (By half maybe?) and then add a proficiency skill for each separate type of grenade (Which would at level 5 do slightly more damage then they do now... such as ~5-10% more?)

If you guys feel like it, go into more details yourself. Add what you think it should be.

This would actually make sense in the progression type of thing this game has going for it.

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Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1301	Posted - 2013.08.25 07:00:00 - [1] - Quote I'm torn between conclusions here.
Rossiya diya Trolley Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 24	Posted - 2013.08.25 07:01:00 - [2] - Quote Yes to the standard versions of each yes. but for proto and advanced no, should be a seperate skill tree. Hell AV grenades shouldn't even exist, god knows we don't need everyone running with proto versions of those.
JETSTORM1090 Against All Oddz 155	Posted - 2013.08.25 07:05:00 - [3] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: I'm torn between conclusions here. No it should not...at all
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 27	Posted - 2013.08.25 07:35:00 - [4] - Quote yes because its just a grenade nothing else u probably think its OP ur OP , try surviving a grenade in real life u cant so all grenades are cool :D
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1301	Posted - 2013.08.25 07:50:00 - [5] - Quote GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote: yes because its just a grenade nothing else u probably think its OP ur OP , try surviving a grenade in real life u cant so all grenades are cool :D English Please
DildoMcnutz the Tickle Monsters 163	Posted - 2013.08.25 08:11:00 - [6] - Quote I can see reasoning for the AV nades requiring their own skill, flux grenades I don't really think so. Given that the heavy has a large capacity grenade slot and there are none of those currently maybe the grenade skill will end up changing.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 458	Posted - 2013.08.25 08:23:00 - [7] - Quote Rossiya diya Trolley wrote: Yes to the standard versions of each yes. but for proto and advanced no, should be a seperate skill tree. Hell AV grenades shouldn't even exist, god knows we don't need everyone running with proto versions of those. Because puling the pin on a standard grenade is so much more difficult on an advanced or prototype version, right ? And what is the basis for AV grenades not to excist ? because they don't excist in RL ? OW WAIT THEY DO....... I rather think they should add a damage model on vehicles, so when your track is hit from the first detonation, your tank is stuck unable to move, hows that for a realism change ?
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 145	Posted - 2013.08.25 08:47:00 - [8] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Rossiya diya Trolley wrote: Yes to the standard versions of each yes. but for proto and advanced no, should be a seperate skill tree. Hell AV grenades shouldn't even exist, god knows we don't need everyone running with proto versions of those. Because puling the pin on a standard grenade is so much more difficult on an advanced or prototype version, right ? And what is the basis for AV grenades not to excist ? because they don't excist in RL ? OW WAIT THEY DO....... I rather think they should add a damage model on vehicles, so when your track is hit from the first detonation, your tank is stuck unable to move, hows that for a realism change ? Oh wait.... this isn't real life now is it?
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 145	Posted - 2013.08.25 08:53:00 - [9] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: I'm torn between conclusions here. Hmm.... I'm thinking they should leave it as it is but, reduce damage across the board with grenades (By half maybe?) and then add a proficiency skill for each separate type of grenade (Which would at level 5 do slightly more damage then they do now... such as ~5-10% more?) If you guys feel like it, go into more details yourself. Add what you think it should be.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 458	Posted - 2013.08.25 09:14:00 - [10] - Quote Shattered Mirage wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Rossiya diya Trolley wrote: Yes to the standard versions of each yes. but for proto and advanced no, should be a seperate skill tree. Hell AV grenades shouldn't even exist, god knows we don't need everyone running with proto versions of those. Because puling the pin on a standard grenade is so much more difficult on an advanced or prototype version, right ? And what is the basis for AV grenades not to excist ? because they don't excist in RL ? OW WAIT THEY DO....... I rather think they should add a damage model on vehicles, so when your track is hit from the first detonation, your tank is stuck unable to move, hows that for a realism change ? Oh wait.... this isn't real life now is it? Because it makes sense that stuff we can make today as a weaponsystem, somehow 4000 years in the future where wars are waged on a daily basis with clones that revive after being killed, they forgot to make AV nades. Makes perfect sense if you put it like that /slowclap...

Lorhak Gannarsein DUST University Ivy League 214	Posted - 2013.08.25 09:19:00 - [11] - Quote Because pulling the trigger on a PRO AR is so much harder than pulling the trigger on an STD AR. See? We can make irrelevant observations based on current game mechanics too!
Marc Rime Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 157	Posted - 2013.08.25 09:22:00 - [12] - Quote Requesting more SP sinks? Now why would anyone want to do that?
Lorhak Gannarsein DUST University Ivy League 214	Posted - 2013.08.25 09:35:00 - [13] - Quote Marc Rime wrote: Requesting more SP sinks? Now why would anyone want to do that? Because of the habit people have of using AV grenades as a primary AV weapon. I believe there was a video about it recently.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 458	Posted - 2013.08.25 09:36:00 - [14] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Because pulling the trigger on a PRO AR is so much harder than pulling the trigger on an STD AR. See? We can make irrelevant observations based on current game mechanics too! Yeah except yours doesnt make sense at all. A grenade, doesnt have a rate of fire, Recoil, grip, barrelweight effective short, medium, long ranges, diffrent kinds of ammunition etc ..where each gun behaves diffrently. whereas a grenade is as simple as possible, throw it away after pulling the pin kind of thing, for use on a real battlefield they aint going to have slideble screens where you push a 6 number digit code thats diffrent on each nade you carry, theres not going to be any recoil compensators or silencers on it that alter its effective damage capabilities. But yeah you were right at one thing, yours was totally irrelevant.
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 146	Posted - 2013.08.25 09:37:00 - [15] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Shattered Mirage wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Rossiya diya Trolley wrote: Yes to the standard versions of each yes. but for proto and advanced no, should be a seperate skill tree. Hell AV grenades shouldn't even exist, god knows we don't need everyone running with proto versions of those. Because puling the pin on a standard grenade is so much more difficult on an advanced or prototype version, right ? And what is the basis for AV grenades not to excist ? because they don't excist in RL ? OW WAIT THEY DO....... I rather think they should add a damage model on vehicles, so when your track is hit from the first detonation, your tank is stuck unable to move, hows that for a realism change ? Oh wait.... this isn't real life now is it? Because it makes sense that stuff we can make today as a weaponsystem, somehow 4000 years in the future where wars are waged on a daily basis with clones that revive after being killed, they forgot to make AV nades. Makes perfect sense if you put it like that /slowclap... Quote: Hmm.... I'm thinking they should leave it as it is but, reduce damage across the board with grenades (By half maybe?) and then add a proficiency skill for each separate type of grenade (Which would at level 5 do slightly more damage then they do now... such as ~5-10% more?) If you guys feel like it, go into more details yourself. Add what you think it should be. This would actually make sense in the progression type of thing this game has going for it. It also makes sense that a small hand-held weapon is more destructive than a larger, mounted weapon, no? It makes sense that a smaller, weaker transport vehicle is more resistant than a heavily armored vehicle right?
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1303	Posted - 2013.08.25 09:38:00 - [16] - Quote It also makes sense that I'm still playing this game right?....right?
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 147	Posted - 2013.08.25 09:44:00 - [17] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: It also makes sense that I'm still playing this game right?....right? No... no it does not.
Another Heavy SOB Pure Innocence. EoN. 561	Posted - 2013.08.25 09:59:00 - [18] - Quote Shattered Mirage wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: It also makes sense that I'm still playing this game right?....right? No... no it does not. Unfortunately I think it means we're all masochists.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 459	Posted - 2013.08.25 10:01:00 - [19] - Quote Quote: It also makes sense that a small hand-held weapon is more destructive than a larger, mounted weapon, no? It makes sense that a smaller, weaker transport vehicle is more resistant than a heavily armored vehicle right?[ It does, because damage caused it not because of how big it is, it is casued by how efficient it can transfer its energy to the target object. If you had 3 types of nades, one a simple powder type, a Anti-Matter or a Thermal Fusion grenade, they would all be roughly the same size but the powder one would cause no damage vs our advanced suits, the Anti-Matter one would anilihate matter on a sub-atomic level, witch means theres no defence againt it and would kill a tank in one throw and the thermal one would melt trough your armor then explode all the amunition inside your vehicle. Same sizes, diffrent bang for the buck. You can have 20 trucks full of tnt explosives detonate and cause some major damage, or you could detonate a nuclair bomb the size of a footbal and wipe a town of the map, size doesnt not equate damage. But right now you are grasping at straws, and the stuff you talk about is really more about balance and not about how energy is transfered or how real weapons work and has no relation anymore as to why AV gerenades should not excist.


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