DUST Search - new matchmaking

hooc order wrote:

Lillica Deathdealer wrote:

hooc order wrote:

Lillica Deathdealer wrote:

No, this is a serious comment. I would like to know where vehicles of certain types are placed as a threat level in the new system.

Has the description of the new system been changed again? (this would be the fourth or fifth time)

It is based on threat level now?

Last i checked it is based on player "skill" ie how well you did in previous battles. So in the above scenario if you are a kick ass tank driver you will go against kick ass players. If you are crap tank driver you will go against crap players....proto/SP/level will only effect the system indirectly....ie players in proto tend to do better then players not in proto so they would tend to be graded in the system as higher skill.

Of course there are players who play in proto who suck ass and die anyway....they would be put in lower skill matches.

Thanks for the info, this is what I was trying to confirm after looking through the forums.

Don't take my word for it. I have not been up to date on this stuff with matchmaking.

About a month and a half ago was when they finally got around to tell us the proposed system had changed from being based on "gear" into being based on "skill"....it could have changed again since then.

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Lillica Deathdealer Mango and Friends 193	Posted - 2013.08.23 21:55:00 - [1] - Quote Given the state of vehicles, I cant help but wonder if CCP took that into consideration? Will people with enforcer tanks be listed as a super threat and thrown into games against full proto infantry that almost certainly have hardcore AV? If so, thats jacked up. If not, will they adjust the values again after the vehicle buff (we hope -.-) coming in 1.5?
Orion Vahid DUST University Ivy League 108	Posted - 2013.08.23 21:56:00 - [2] - Quote 1.4 isn't even out yet. I know people love to complain, but at least let the content be released first
Lillica Deathdealer Mango and Friends 193	Posted - 2013.08.23 21:57:00 - [3] - Quote No, this is a serious comment. I would like to know where vehicles of certain types are placed as a threat level in the new system.
Bravo614 Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 2	Posted - 2013.08.23 21:59:00 - [4] - Quote The tank have no reason to be buff .....ur tanking skill is the one that need to be buff .....
Lillica Deathdealer Mango and Friends 194	Posted - 2013.08.23 22:02:00 - [5] - Quote Says the man blindly judging me without ever playing in a match with me. Well done. In fact, maybe I'll try this too. You are awful at whatever role you play in this game. I am basing this off of your avatar that I see here on the forums, which is Gallente, and your name, which is Bravo. From this information I can easily draw the conclusion that you seriously lack skill in every aspect of Dust 514, and all video games you play ever, plus high school gym class.
Lillica Deathdealer Mango and Friends 194	Posted - 2013.08.23 22:04:00 - [6] - Quote Bravo614 wrote: The tank have no reason to be buff .....ur tanking skill is the one that need to be buff ..... oh, I forgot one more thing. Where did I say vehicles need a buff right now? I think they do, but this post is about the matchmaking and trying to get solid information. Please try reading... And then rereading.
hooc order Deep Space Republic Top Men. 876	Posted - 2013.08.23 22:04:00 - [7] - Quote Lillica Deathdealer wrote: No, this is a serious comment. I would like to know where vehicles of certain types are placed as a threat level in the new system. Has the description of the new system been changed again? (this would be the fourth or fifth time) It is based on threat level now? Last i checked it is based on player "skill" ie how well you did in previous battles. So in the above scenario if you are a kick ass tank driver you will go against kick ass players. If you are crap tank driver you will go against crap players....proto/SP/level will only effect the system indirectly....ie players in proto tend to do better then players not in proto so they would tend to be graded in the system as higher skill. Of course there are players who play in proto who suck ass and die anyway....they would be put in lower skill matches.
Lillica Deathdealer Mango and Friends 194	Posted - 2013.08.23 22:06:00 - [8] - Quote hooc order wrote: Lillica Deathdealer wrote: No, this is a serious comment. I would like to know where vehicles of certain types are placed as a threat level in the new system. Has the description of the new system been changed again? (this would be the fourth or fifth time) It is based on threat level now? Last i checked it is based on player "skill" ie how well you did in previous battles. So in the above scenario if you are a kick ass tank driver you will go against kick ass players. If you are crap tank driver you will go against crap players....proto/SP/level will only effect the system indirectly....ie players in proto tend to do better then players not in proto so they would tend to be graded in the system as higher skill. Of course there are players who play in proto who suck ass and die anyway....they would be put in lower skill matches. Thanks for the info, this is what I was trying to confirm after looking through the forums. And I reckon the way I described things is wrong, so dont worry.
hooc order Deep Space Republic Top Men. 876	Posted - 2013.08.23 22:09:00 - [9] - Quote Lillica Deathdealer wrote: hooc order wrote: Lillica Deathdealer wrote: No, this is a serious comment. I would like to know where vehicles of certain types are placed as a threat level in the new system. Has the description of the new system been changed again? (this would be the fourth or fifth time) It is based on threat level now? Last i checked it is based on player "skill" ie how well you did in previous battles. So in the above scenario if you are a kick ass tank driver you will go against kick ass players. If you are crap tank driver you will go against crap players....proto/SP/level will only effect the system indirectly....ie players in proto tend to do better then players not in proto so they would tend to be graded in the system as higher skill. Of course there are players who play in proto who suck ass and die anyway....they would be put in lower skill matches. Thanks for the info, this is what I was trying to confirm after looking through the forums. Don't take my word for it. I have not been up to date on this stuff with matchmaking. About a month and a half ago was when they finally got around to tell us the proposed system had changed from being based on "gear" into being based on "skill"....it could have changed again since then.
Lillica Deathdealer Mango and Friends 196	Posted - 2013.08.23 22:11:00 - [10] - Quote hooc order wrote: Lillica Deathdealer wrote: hooc order wrote: Lillica Deathdealer wrote: No, this is a serious comment. I would like to know where vehicles of certain types are placed as a threat level in the new system. Has the description of the new system been changed again? (this would be the fourth or fifth time) It is based on threat level now? Last i checked it is based on player "skill" ie how well you did in previous battles. So in the above scenario if you are a kick ass tank driver you will go against kick ass players. If you are crap tank driver you will go against crap players....proto/SP/level will only effect the system indirectly....ie players in proto tend to do better then players not in proto so they would tend to be graded in the system as higher skill. Of course there are players who play in proto who suck ass and die anyway....they would be put in lower skill matches. Thanks for the info, this is what I was trying to confirm after looking through the forums. Don't take my word for it. I have not been up to date on this stuff with matchmaking. About a month and a half ago was when they finally got around to tell us the proposed system had changed from being based on "gear" into being based on "skill"....it could have changed again since then. hmmm... Well, for the time being I'll just take it as an extreme compliment if my tank enters a game full of proto AV guys dropping bodies left and right.

DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1058	Posted - 2013.08.23 22:29:00 - [11] - Quote Or on the flipside, tankers using the std variant (which is most tankers) will be placed in matches with std players, thus will be able to dominate beyond belief. Although we have no idea how Null adjusted matchmaking to balance out players. Would be nice if they elaborated on that a bit.
Taeryn Frost Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 73	Posted - 2013.08.23 22:29:00 - [12] - Quote I'm a proto scrub. I can't be put into matches with people my equal or better. They'll eat me alive!
BARDAS DUST University Ivy League 356	Posted - 2013.08.23 22:34:00 - [13] - Quote Matchmaking is one of the things that cannot be guessed from the patch notes. Not without the formula used in the matchmaking. Best to just wait until its here. Calling it though: Threads whining about the extra time it takes to get into matches. Sounds like it will take a few extra minutes for the system to fairly match people. Which is totally worth it, if it actually works, in my opinion.
hooc order Deep Space Republic Top Men. 876	Posted - 2013.08.23 22:40:00 - [14] - Quote BARDAS wrote: Matchmaking is one of the things that cannot be guessed from the patch notes. Not without the formula used in the matchmaking. Best to just wait until its here. Calling it though: Threads whining about the extra time it takes to get into matches. Sounds like it will take a few extra minutes for the system to fairly match people. Which is totally worth it, if it actually works, in my opinion. Wait.... You seem to be saying that there are patch notes and that they mention matchmaking. Is this true? Do you have a link?
calvin b Molon Labe. League of Infamy 351	Posted - 2013.08.23 22:43:00 - [15] - Quote OK stupid question. Does the matchmaking go off your current SP total or does it go off your suit you are currently wearing? I have not seen a post to explain how they determine were you are placed. If they have please tell me.
hooc order Deep Space Republic Top Men. 876	Posted - 2013.08.23 22:54:00 - [16] - Quote calvin b wrote: OK stupid question. Does the matchmaking go off your current SP total or does it go off your suit you are currently wearing? I have not seen a post to explain how they determine were you are placed. If they have please tell me. the Dev said "skill". I specifically asked him does he mean "skill points" as in level or does he mean actual player skill. he said skill as in actual player skill. he did not go into what metric he would use to measure player skill....presumably it will be based on how well you do in matches...like kills and assists and heals and objectives ect....basically stuff that gives you war points. Again he did not go into specific metrics or how those metrics are added up to determine your "skill"....only that it is not SP and that it is not gear like they claimed it would be in the E3 video.
Severance Pay Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 889	Posted - 2013.08.23 23:30:00 - [17] - Quote Having accessible proto weapons and gear is what makes matchmaking broken. Suppose you have it but you don't use it, or you only use it for PC battles. Then matchmaking cannot possibly work unless you selected the fitting you plan to use prior to entering combat. I have always suggested letting people make their own games with their own rules, I.e. no vehicles or no mass drivers, pistols only, or snipers only. These are classic game rules that are traditional to most shooters.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7709	Posted - 2013.08.23 23:32:00 - [18] - Quote Lol Enforcers. It should be grouping you into similarly skilled players. This will take a bit longer than instant.
BARDAS DUST University Ivy League 356	Posted - 2013.08.23 23:49:00 - [19] - Quote hooc order wrote: BARDAS wrote: Matchmaking is one of the things that cannot be guessed from the patch notes. Not without the formula used in the matchmaking. Best to just wait until its here. Calling it though: Threads whining about the extra time it takes to get into matches. Sounds like it will take a few extra minutes for the system to fairly match people. Which is totally worth it, if it actually works, in my opinion. Wait.... You seem to be saying that there are patch notes and that they mention matchmaking. Is this true? Do you have a link? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=104023&find=unread Quote: Matchmaking * Matchmaking has been rebuilt from the ground up to offer more balanced matches, more flexibility, and future proofing * Matchmaking will now vary wait times in order to try and build better teams * In conjunction with the new matchmaking system, the Battle Finder has been rebuilt to take advantage of the new matchmaking features * Instant Battles are now all combined into Public Contracts; players can now select which game modes they wish to queue for allowing them to now queue for multiple game modes * Factional Warfare battles are now available as a queue known as Faction Contracts; players can choose which faction(s) they wish to queue for * Corporation Battles are now found under Corporation Contracts * Implemented idle timer to prevent AFK farming in battle ground or MCC. Players not performing any PVP action in a certain period of time will be kicked out of the game
Vrain Matari ZionTCD 739	Posted - 2013.08.24 04:45:00 - [20] - Quote BARDAS wrote: Matchmaking is one of the things that cannot be guessed from the patch notes. Not without the formula used in the matchmaking. Best to just wait until its here. Calling it though: Threads whining about the extra time it takes to get into matches. Sounds like it will take a few extra minutes for the system to fairly match people. Which is totally worth it, if it actually works, in my opinion. If aiming feels good for kb/m and DS3, and the AFK mechanic works, and the murdertaxis are neutered, and voice isn't messing with the game and the new map isn't maddeningly sticky and graphics improve and the game runs a little faster......we should start picking up new players at a steady pace. Which will improve the quality of the matchmaking and drop the wait time.



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