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Loki Patera
xCosmic Voidx
The Superpowers
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Posted - 2013.08.23 14:14:00 -
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Great patch by the looks of it, new maps are awesome - but surprsied they couldn't add one new gun or suit.
The monthly updates are working - but maybe they should add a nw rule:
Add at least one new item to play with each update.
I don't think that's asking much. I'm waiting for a Gal Heavy.
I'm getting so used to my current loadout that I'm going to go into Plama Cannon for the hell of it. |
Iskandar Zul Karnain
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1569
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Posted - 2013.08.23 14:19:00 -
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Would you rather play a game with all sorts of wonky and broken mechanics and lots of stuff in it, or play a game with less stuff in it but solid mechanics?
Are those extra weapons going to make you feel better about the fact aiming is atrocious?
All that stuff is coming, but its all ultimately less important than these essential features. CCP is on the right track here. Give them time. :) |
Ryder Azorria
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
511
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Posted - 2013.08.23 14:21:00 -
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I'm pretty sure they're 'saving up' the new shinies to release them in batches / all at once, easier to balance stuff that way. |
7 Djin
D.A.R.K Academy
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
3
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Posted - 2013.08.23 14:28:00 -
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Loki Patera wrote:Great patch by the looks of it, new maps are awesome - but surprsied they couldn't add one new gun or suit.
The monthly updates are working - but maybe they should add a new rule:
Add at least one new item to play with each update.
I don't think that's asking much. I'm waiting for a Gal Heavy.
I'm getting so used to my current loadout that I'm going to go into Plama Cannon for the hell of it.
You are pressuring them to put out new content when they haven't even balanced the core guns. No sense in putting out more stuff when it's liable to just imbalance things further. If you really cared about this game you wouldn't be so short sited. Until then, lay back and cap some blueberries.
Peace |
Mamertine Son
R.E.B.E.L.S
226
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Posted - 2013.08.23 14:34:00 -
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If I could I would make the new rule - 'add a dozen guns each patch'.
I want more guns!
Other shooters (You know the ones) have dozens of weapons (most of them ARs) that pretty much are the same but are advertised to be 'different' when really the only thing thats different is the skinGÇô and I'm ok with that.
Unfortunately for me the player base of DUST isn't that shallow when it comes to weapons...
This is what I have to say them: How do you think those shooter maintain 'balance'? bc all their guns are basically the same (and they totally make explosives useless but thats not the point). |
Loki Patera
xCosmic Voidx
The Superpowers
54
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Posted - 2013.08.23 14:35:00 -
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Yeah - I love this game so i'm happy to wait. Just can't wait to start a war with a Gal Heavy and some sort of obscene Gallente heavy weapon.
Anyway - stay out of the way of my PC in the meantime. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
3112
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:06:00 -
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Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote:Would you rather play a game with all sorts of wonky and broken mechanics and lots of stuff in it, or play a game with less stuff in it but solid mechanics?
Are those extra weapons going to make you feel better about the fact aiming is atrocious?
All that stuff is coming, but its all ultimately less important than these essential features. CCP is on the right track here. Give them time. :)
Wonky mechanics and lots of stuff. |
Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
3239
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:13:00 -
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I'm actually glad there aren't new assets in this patch. It sounds weird to hear myself say it, but I'm glad.
Imagine if they'd slipped in a few new guns and a suit or something, and they weren't balanced against the others.
It'd be right back into the old cycles. |
broonfondle majikthies
P.O.N.A.G.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
184
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:24:00 -
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You want more suits when we currently have only 4 maps to fight on? This update looks like it's exactly what we needed. The new interface looks like it will make us feel we're actually making a difference by highlighting the planetary clusters we are fighting for and rewarding us active players.
And I'm missing 2/3 characters desired suits and any competitive ranged weapon I want to spec into (plus my knives are the wrong ones  ) |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
311
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:25:00 -
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Is aiming that bad if you use a DS3? I suspect that is mostly kbm users that were screaming but maybe my poor skills find the DS3 ok to use. Have no real issues with aiming. The biggest issue I have are with traversing terrain and some balance issues between weapons and suits.
CCP also are already "balancing" weapons while they natural counterpoints arent in the game yet so why not put more in and then balance everything accordingly.
Also the OP is asking for 1-2 pieces - if you cant bring in that balanced to what is already in game then this game design thing is probably not your forte |
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Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
3241
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:35:00 -
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Daxxis KANNAH wrote:Is aiming that bad if you use a DS3? I suspect that is mostly kbm users that were screaming but maybe my poor skills find the DS3 ok to use. Have no real issues with aiming. The biggest issue I have are with traversing terrain and some balance issues between weapons and suits.
CCP also are already "balancing" weapons while they natural counterpoints arent in the game yet so why not put more in and then balance everything accordingly.
Also the OP is asking for 1-2 pieces - if you cant bring in that balanced to what is already in game then this game design thing is probably not your forte
See, that's kind of like that guy in IRC yesterday who was saying that he supports Tiericide (removal of suit meta levels to prevent power-creep), but only after CCP deploys ADV and PRO vehicles.
This would effectively give him vehicles that could easily resist even the AV we have right now, causing vehicles to appear grossly overpowered, and leading to even more problems.
It may be hard to balance things without everything being in, but it's better than dumping a whole stack of possibly broken assets onto this game and hoping it doesn't get wrecked TOO badly while they spend the next month trying to figure out how to make everything work again. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1319
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:36:00 -
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Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote:Would you rather play a game with all sorts of wonky and broken mechanics and lots of stuff in it, or play a game with less stuff in it but solid mechanics I believe Dust 514 in it's current state has solid mechanics. So I would rather play a game with more content (and a "soul") than a game that offers little variety but has slightly better mechanics.
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Mamertine Son
R.E.B.E.L.S
230
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:41:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote:Would you rather play a game with all sorts of wonky and broken mechanics and lots of stuff in it, or play a game with less stuff in it but solid mechanics I believe Dust 514 in it's current state has solid mechanics. So I would rather play a game with more content (and a "soul") than a game that offers little variety but has slightly better mechanics.
^ this
If they drop something new and then spend a year balancing it then drop in another thing and spend another year creating balancing we're going to have a very stale but very balanced game.
At some point they're going to have to rock the boat!
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Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
311
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:50:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:
See, that's kind of like that guy in IRC yesterday who was saying that he supports Tiericide (removal of suit meta levels to prevent power-creep), but only after CCP deploys ADV and PRO vehicles.
This would effectively give him vehicles that could easily resist even the AV we have right now, causing vehicles to appear grossly overpowered, and leading to even more problems.
It may be hard to balance things without everything being in, but it's better than dumping a whole stack of possibly broken assets onto this game and hoping it doesn't get wrecked TOO badly while they spend the next month trying to figure out how to make everything work again.
But your post is more scaremongering or should I say painting an extreme case than what the OP is asking for.
How can introducing the other racial rifles or bringing in another scout or two more heavies throw off the balance so much if by definition they have to be balanced to what already exist in game?
Now if we were dropping in super weapons with the counter weapons not available or jets with the missile turrets acting as pathetic as they are now you would have a point but nobody is asking for that.
On the AV vs Vehicle argument - that just shows CCP lack of oversight or proper planning. Why would they not scale the weapon damage (leaving the tiers intact) for the vehicles in game and then ramp them up once the higher level vehicles came in? |
Doyle Reese
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
404
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:51:00 -
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there's going to be "something new to shoot in 1.5", so ...yeah (I'm guessing Combat Rifle) |
I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
684
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:59:00 -
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Pretty sure the new item they want you to play with is the Active Scanner. |
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