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Text Grant
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Posted - 2013.08.17 07:23:00 -
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I've skilled into swarms to do AV when my team seems incapable and I cant find a use for these. If someone else sees a use for these please correct me but i believe a shorter lock on time would be more beneficial. Perhaps .8 seconds compared to the average 1.2? What are your ideas? |
Text Grant
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Posted - 2013.08.17 07:26:00 -
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A faster reload time may be less or more OP. I just was looking to make this more useful. |
pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
Eternal Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.08.17 08:37:00 -
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You can target 2 enimy vehicles or Instalatuons at one time . |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.08.17 08:50:00 -
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i support the removal of all swarm launcher for tweaks at the time period of soon TM |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
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Posted - 2013.08.17 10:58:00 -
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Wants a buff to lolswarms
Its easy to use them as it is
If your having swarm problems then i feel bad for you son, i got 99problems but a swarm launcher aint one |
Text Grant
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Posted - 2013.08.17 12:49:00 -
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Not having a problem with normal swarms. I just don't see the use of targeting 2 things at once. Thats why i never use the assault. Do you use the assault? Or are you just a sad tanker with rage quit issues? Im not asking for a buff. Just want a reason to use each variant. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
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Posted - 2013.08.17 12:58:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:Not having a problem with normal swarms. I just don't see the use of targeting 2 things at once. Thats why i never use the assault. Do you use the assault? Or are you just a sad tanker with rage quit issues? Im not asking for a buff. Just want a reason to use each variant.
Frankly the assault shouldnt exist |
Text Grant
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Posted - 2013.08.17 13:02:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Text Grant wrote:Not having a problem with normal swarms. I just don't see the use of targeting 2 things at once. Thats why i never use the assault. Do you use the assault? Or are you just a sad tanker with rage quit issues? Im not asking for a buff. Just want a reason to use each variant. Frankly the assault shouldnt exist
Alot of things have 3 variants with better qualities and different drawbacks. Im not asking for a buff. Just a reason to use the weapon. If you have helpful suggestions feel free to share them. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
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Posted - 2013.08.17 13:02:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
If your having swarm problems then i feel bad for you son, i got 99problems but a swarm launcher aint one
Swarm launchers aren't even on your list of problems as one of the whingiest tankers on the forums?
Bloody hell, those must be some insane problems. |
ADAM-OF-EVE
Svartur Bjorn
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Posted - 2013.08.17 13:07:00 -
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assaults swarms are pointless.they cost 3 times as much as normals, have heavier cpu/pg requirements but do half the damage to each target. considering it take 1 swarm with lots of damage mods to take out even the weakest lav makes these things pointless and should be buffed or removed. they serve no purpose |
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2013.08.17 13:17:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Text Grant wrote:Not having a problem with normal swarms. I just don't see the use of targeting 2 things at once. Thats why i never use the assault. Do you use the assault? Or are you just a sad tanker with rage quit issues? Im not asking for a buff. Just want a reason to use each variant. Frankly the assault shouldnt exist Alot of things have 3 variants with better qualities and different drawbacks. Im not asking for a buff. Just a reason to use the weapon. If you have helpful suggestions feel free to share them.
Standard is too good for what it does and the problems the normal swarm has anyways it needs fixing before anything else |
Text Grant
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Posted - 2013.08.17 13:21:00 -
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That has nothing to do with the assault which is what this topic is about. But since you want to bring up the normal, I have shot 46 missiles at an armor tank and he just kept rolling no problem. AV balance is fine and will turn in favor of vehicles when more advanced vehicles are released. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
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Posted - 2013.08.17 13:32:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:That has nothing to do with the assault which is what this topic is about. But since you want to bring up the normal, I have shot 46 missiles at an armor tank and he just kept rolling no problem. AV balance is fine and will turn in favor of vehicles when more advanced vehicles are released.
lol basic vehicle vs proto AV, fire 46missiles at a basic vehicle with proto and its dead
Assault has no use so no one uses it when standard is far better and OP at proto level |
broonfondle majikthies
P.O.N.A.G.S.
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Posted - 2013.08.17 13:37:00 -
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I believe it might be something to do with awkward targeting when an RDV is inbound. At least you'd hit the LAV (or whatever) with SOME of the missiles and not have to bother adjusting the target lock |
lithkul devant
Legions of Infinite Dominion
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Posted - 2013.08.17 13:41:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:That has nothing to do with the assault which is what this topic is about. But since you want to bring up the normal, I have shot 46 missiles at an armor tank and he just kept rolling no problem. AV balance is fine and will turn in favor of vehicles when more advanced vehicles are released.
You do realize that for vehicles most of them are just the Tier 1 version even for tanks. When we start getting the more advanced vehicles AV is screwed as it currently is. As it is I was using an advanced swarm launcher the other day, I fired off a whole clip worth into just 1 tank, I did not even get past its shields, all the missiles did in fact hit. Now I did do some minor to medium damage to the shields, but lets think for a moment, what would happen if say I was going up against a really advanced vehicle that might come in future patches, my swarm launcher might not even have the effect of taking off 10% of the shields, for future patches CCP is going to have to do some serious work on how Vehicles and Infintry fight against each other. AV balance is not fine as it currently is as we have the "murder taxis" who will literally keep going after people with impunity even while swarm missles, AV gernades, and forge guns are hitting them. This is the basic LLAV, imagine say an advanced or proto type LLAV, if one was released right now, I think it would go around T-bagging tanks. |
Text Grant
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Posted - 2013.08.17 13:48:00 -
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All of this is off subject from the OP. We need a reason to use the assault swarm launcher |
broonfondle majikthies
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Posted - 2013.08.17 13:52:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:All of this is off subject from the OP. We need a reason to use the assault swarm launcher
Mine doesn't count?? |
DeadlyAztec11
Max-Pain-inc
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Posted - 2013.08.17 14:32:00 -
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I would only use assault for shooting multiple installations at the same time. Anything else is wasted potential, and more importantly wasted CPU. |
Text Grant
Planetary Response Organization
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Posted - 2013.08.17 14:53:00 -
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broonfondle majikthies wrote:I believe it might be something to do with awkward targeting when an RDV is inbound. At least you'd hit the LAV (or whatever) with SOME of the missiles and not have to bother adjusting the target lock
I wont waste ammo to only barely hit what i want to hit. You actually do this? |
Text Grant
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Posted - 2013.08.17 14:55:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I would only use assault for shooting multiple installations at the same time. Anything else is wasted potential, and more importantly wasted CPU.
Installations would go down to 2 1/2 hits from an advanced swarm. Other than that it is only wasted potential |
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Text Grant
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Posted - 2013.08.17 18:37:00 -
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bump |
Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
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Posted - 2013.08.17 18:57:00 -
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Text,
I use swarms quite a bit and have also found the assault swarm to be minimal help compared to the standard version. I haven't found an issue where locking on two targets is critical and with the same lock on time as the standard it's not worth it.
I would recommend a shorter lock time and perhaps less missiles for the assault.
More usefull might be a lock speed decrease as part of the skill tree.
I got into AV set ups early (I've only got 3mil SP) to be more value added in squad fights. Would take long time to be a solid assaulter or logi so I put some early SP into swarms and AV grenades and its paying off. |
Text Grant
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Posted - 2013.08.18 06:18:00 -
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less lock on? yes. Less missiles? no. That would lower its dps too much. It would still be useless. You only get one extra missile for each 2 levels |
Text Grant
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Posted - 2013.08.18 09:09:00 -
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shameful self bump |
Text Grant
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Posted - 2013.08.20 11:41:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:shameful self bump
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Text Grant
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Posted - 2013.08.20 17:43:00 -
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post some comments |
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