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Yun Hee Ryeon
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Posted - 2013.08.17 02:37:00 -
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((Let's get back into character, folks.))
Mr. Kalamari, I do see, understand, and to a large degree agree with your concerns. I do suspect, however, that much of where all of this comes from is the backgrounds of the visitors here.
We are mostly soldiers. At most, we may have been officers; many were probably just talented rank and file.
Such people are typically subject to the sort of programming that makes a soldier eager to fire a weapon. It results in a certain amount of extremism and jingoism, but it also makes them more effective killers in service to their respective masters. As much as I consider it my responsibility to recognize the humanity of my enemy even as I kill him, I also recognize that this is not an easy thing for most to do.
They are soldiers, specialized in killing and conditioned to kill without hesitation. It may be too much to ask them to be diplomats, at least in the near term.
Of course, as they are now mercenaries with extraordinarily broad discretion in their doings, they can now broadly free themselves of that role and its mentality, if they wish to. Perhaps those of us with more ... unusual backgrounds may be able to help with that. |
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Posted - 2013.08.17 04:08:00 -
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Shattered Mirage wrote:Please elaborate on what you consider... unusual backgrounds, would you?
Soldier, a few of us may not have come to this career path out of a military background. These individuals were either influential enough, through wealth or political or personal connections, to find a way into the program around the margins or were selected for unusual reasons. You may have noticed that our nature makes it quite easy to alter or conceal a past.
For example: the Dead Six Initiative is named for a group of seven traitors to the State who were given an opportunity to redeem themselves. I forget the exact circumstances of the test, but six wound up dead; the seventh was inducted into the State's clone soldier program with no memory of her past and went on to found our corporation. Thus, a traitor and criminal was reborn as an intensely State-loyal clone mercenary.
Certain aspects of many of our colleagues (the frequency of amnesia, for one) hint at similar stories. Some of us may have been spies, gangsters, pirates, well-connected dissidents, or even graduate students writing New Eden's most painfully-researched doctoral thesis.
In this case, it mostly matters because those of us who fit into this category likely have not had the same sort of foundational training, hence indoctrination, or at least have not had it recently. |
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Posted - 2013.08.17 04:35:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:((I don't really have anything in character to say, but I really hope you don't think True Adamance and I are Amarr fanatics. That is not either of our characters. All we've done is state our beliefs and correct those who bear false claims against our Empire.)) ((I don't think you're fanatics, but my point still stands. If you have nothing worthy of adding, don't reply. If you want to talk with me, use PMs or the DUST OOC thread. I find it annoying when people just comment OOCly on my threads.)) I really wish they could fix these threads of all the static and other disturbances, it's starting to get annoying when it disrupts the discussion.
((OOC is a bad habit. Commenting on it, OOC or IC, is also a bad habit. <-- yes, ironic. We may need the moderators to actually start laying down the law; after all, comments like this one I'm writing are against the rules, folks.)) |
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Posted - 2013.08.17 15:16:00 -
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There is a further option as to what happened to Mr. Draco, but first:
Mr. Draco, this war only went hot a scant few years ago. The Amarr and Caldari ground troops, while allied, have had their own theaters of war, and therefore do not often fight side by side, possibly to the point of "never." Even if you had been as young as you seem to imply at the time the war broke out, it's still unlikely that those soldiers belonged to the Empire and State militaries.
Now, one thing that is possible is that your community got hit by illegal slavers. Amarrian criminals illegally collecting slaves have been known to employ Caldari mercenaries as muscle, to the shame of both empires. Considering that this sort of activity is organized crime by definition, it's not too difficult to imagine circumstances that might have led to a massacre. |
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Posted - 2013.08.18 15:03:00 -
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Sergamon Draco wrote:Mr adamance no im not ruled anger,im seeking justice for those 863 people who died in those days.And justice they and those who are responsible of those 863 deaths,those people who is quilty of those deaths,they will see that they cannot hide or escape from justice or punishment what they deserves.You say those caldari civilians had to help,but i did see how they enjoyed what they did,they enjoyed when they molested girls and womans,they enjoyed when caldari reqular killed baby with knive and they enjoy when.....But no more in that what they did.They were no slavers or blood raides, they was unit from Caldari Marine Expeditionary Forces with mission to kill and wipe out gallente and minmatar civilians,reason why i know is that insignia of Caldari Marine Expeditionary Forces has etch in my mind and i have crossed path with c.m.e.f with same emblems.
Soldier, short of a genocidal war (which could some day happen if a lot of very unpleasant people all simultaneously get their way), Caldari military is unlikely to have a mission to wipe out Gallentean and Matari civilians.
Quite simply, they're not that stupid.
You do understand that an insignia is just a symbol? That it can be copied? That it can be worn by anyone?
That said, your visions are unsettling enough that I can see why you would believe them. That, however, makes me question the accuracy of your recollection rather than whether there's something about Caldari civilians that makes them want to engage in barbaric acts against their neighbors.
It's possible, of course, that you (and they) encountered the Templis Dragonaurs, who have a long history as terrorists and who have a special dislike of seeing Caldari living among foreign elements. Under those circumstances, it's entirely possible that the Templis would have demanded that the locals participate or face death for both themselves and their families.
If that's true, then you have seen the Caldari faction that bombed the dome at Nouvelle Rouvenor and let in the sea, to the tune of half a million dead. This same face went to war against our allies from among the Intaki to keep them from living alongside the Caldari, and has made trouble for those of my people, the Achura, who have adopted Caldari ways. This same face backed the traitor Tibus Heth in his recent, desperate attempt to acquire war material to retake Caldari Prime.
For the Caldari, generally, Caldari identity is about culture. For the Templis, contemptible fools that they are, it is about blood. The kind of horrors you describe, if they occurred, would make an excellent false flag operation to stir tensions between the State and Federation.
They want you to demonize us, you see. It is in their interests to make you hate us, to want us all dead. The use of Amarrian gear would be consistent with this, as well: while the Dragonaurs are unlikely to work with the Amarr, they are quite likely to be able to get Amarrian gear.
So, speaking of extremists, we do have our own. They want you to be as extreme as they are, so that you will commit atrocities against the Caldari and inspire further hatred.
A war of blood against blood: that is their aim. It sounds as though they have done their work well, in your case, soldier.
Please remember, of course, that such forces are no stranger to the Gallentean experience, either. The Great War was not the doing of the Dragonaurs alone: they were not the ones who decided that orbital bombardment was a good medicine to prescribe for Caldari population centers. |
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Posted - 2013.08.19 02:42:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:I don't deny what Ryeon-haani informed us of, they have committed horrible acts. Still, most are only acting according to what they think is best for the State. They can also be valuable allies if you commit to the Caldari cause. The team I was in was only one link in a chain of intelligence sleepers they have across Pure Blind. There was a time when they worked directy with the Provosts in exchange for ensured amnesty if an agent was ever compramised. For us, it wasn't about the killing. It was about doing what was best for our State.
Of course.
But that is what a fanatic is, Fae-haan: someone who embraces a perceived truth fully, utterly, without question or space for doubt. It's not someone who loves to kill; it's someone who kills out of deep conviction that they are doing what is right, what needs to be done.
The Templis are not evil. They do not need to be. They need only be disastrously mistaken.
Like the Amarr, they do what they believe they must. Unlike the Amarr, their concern is narrowed to a relatively small group of people: the ethnic Caldari-- but also unlike the Amarr, they see the rest of us as a severe problem.
For the Caldari to be alone again, at home on their frozen world with the Winds to guide them: that is the Dragonaur prayer. To be left entirely alone. Even the Intaki and Achura are an affront to them.
They are fools longing for a lost past. That they are not necessarily evil does not make them any less fools, or any less brutal, ruthless, or deadly. |
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Posted - 2013.08.19 16:52:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:They also typically don't smile upon half-breeds, but for reasons that still puzzle me to this day an exception was made.
You have to remember, it was YC110. After the 5th took Caldari Prime, the dream of Caldari isolationism seemed within reach. For a teenager whose only other option in life would have been repairing dropships for an ever-increasing sea of mercenaries for the Legion, the Dragonaurs seemed like heroes. Even if some in our team were not entirely supportive of the Dragonaur's past, we all felt that they were a means to finally securing our homeworld. It was our duty as ethnic Caldari to help our race reclaim what we had lost. We were all just playing our part to help the greater good of the State.
I hope that might serve as insight into my reasons for defending individuality over collectivism today.
Well ... the Dragonaurs are surely focused on the common good of the Caldari, it is true. Broadly, however, much harm is done by true believers of all ideologies. It is difficult to say whether "collectivism" is really more troublesome in this way than individualism.
In the final accounting, the two are the sides of a single ancient coin. A society consists of individuals-- social individuals who more or less constantly interact. So it has been, perhaps, as long as there have been humans. The group and the individual are both critically important; to ennoble one at the expense of the other is to willfully close one's eyes to the other side of that truth. Both are important. Strong societies can be built emphasizing either one or the other (the State, the Federation)-- but probably not by excluding either (a state of anarchy, Sansha's Nation).
In the end, it does not seem to be so much a question of which is better as a question of what each approach is good for. I am pro-community, largely because that approach lends itself to relative peace and order, and allows the patterns the community enshrines to persist, relatively unchanged, for a long, long time.
I wish to see my faith and culture survive. Thus, favoring the community over the individual is a matter of utility for me, not of high ideal. |
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Posted - 2013.08.19 18:45:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote:I haven't heard of any mass movement of our people to Caldari territory so I don't know about conditions there.
There's a good reason for that, Mr. Kag. The Caldari State welcomes those who are willing to abandon their prior identities and become fully Caldari. Ethnicity is relatively unimportant, but culture is everything.
Having just had someone spend a thousand years trying to stamp out your culture, it is not surprising if your people are reluctant to abandon their own culture and adopt that of the Caldari.
Actually, the State doesn't see many immigrants of any sort. |
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