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jjoemike10 O'Conner
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Posted - 2013.08.13 04:00:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Villanor Aquarius wrote:Alliance members of a true alliance are not ringers. EON is more similar to a coalition than an alliance.
Alliances function in the CCP universe the way Clan's do in other games.
A corp is just your smaller circle of friends while your alliance is the level at which things get accomplished and direction is decided upon.
Groups being on good terms and helping each other out is not an alliance that is at best a coalition and more accurately is simply some friends communicating and lending a hand every now and then. If this was true I'd want to see all my alliance battles in an Alliance tab for PC. Overall, I disagree. Corps act mostly independently. Maybe if crops had a limit of 50-100 people then it would be relatively accurate to say "smaller circle of friends" but look at some corps out there with like 500+ members. When I think of ringers I think of a Team either not having enough players trying to get bodies, or I think of Nikia calling for aces because he didn't want to field his own players, he'd rather field the A-team players of his alliance in order to win his battles. Just my experience.
Then what's the point of an alliance?
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jjoemike10 O'Conner
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Posted - 2013.08.13 05:06:00 -
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How would you help other than playing in their PC matches? Fork out money? Why have an alliance if you're not allowed to use it forfor help? |
jjoemike10 O'Conner
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Posted - 2013.08.13 05:07:00 -
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For* |
jjoemike10 O'Conner
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Posted - 2013.08.13 05:58:00 -
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Skipper Jones wrote:jjoemike10 O'Conner wrote:How would you help other than playing in their PC matches? Fork out money? Why have an alliance if you're not allowed to use it forfor help? I'm assuming that was towards me so here's my response. I never said not allowed. I said that I personally think that any non-corporation member is a ringer. And that ringers aren't a bad thing so there really isn't a shame in having them...
Isn't a ringer generally a negative term? And wouldn't that making ringing negative? And if ringing for your alliance isn't negative then is it really ringing at all? I pretty much agree with what you're saying skipper, I just think it deserves a different term other than ringer.
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jjoemike10 O'Conner
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Posted - 2013.08.13 06:10:00 -
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2. Slang A contestant entered dishonestly into a competition.
Dictionary definition of a ringer. |
jjoemike10 O'Conner
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Posted - 2013.08.13 14:18:00 -
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I understand that people coming from FPS backgrounds would consider it ringing, but most fps games don't have the option of an alliance. traditionally ringing has always been bringing in heavy hitters to fight for your clan that you didn't have much affiliation with right? A lot of people don't consider it ringing because these alliance members they're bringing in are a tight-knit group of friends that they openly affiliate themselves with, not all star players brought in to gain an unfair advantage. |
jjoemike10 O'Conner
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Posted - 2013.08.13 14:41:00 -
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Shout out to the random joes! |
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Posted - 2013.08.13 16:16:00 -
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Deadly Mitauchi wrote:I think this debate just made me lose some IQ
And you don't have much to spare. Please don't troll on a topic that is trying to actually be productive. :) |
jjoemike10 O'Conner
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Posted - 2013.08.13 21:15:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
There is no disputing it.
Evidently there is disputing it. Ya know, since people are disputing it..
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jjoemike10 O'Conner
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Posted - 2013.08.13 21:42:00 -
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Yet last time I checked that's still dispute. And we obviously all have our opinions; however I think this is one argument that probably won't be agreed on no matter how much everyone debates it. |
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jjoemike10 O'Conner
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Posted - 2013.08.13 22:03:00 -
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It can't be denied that this game is different than other fps games, so many terms of traditional FPS games don't apply the same way and others don't apply at all. When something is so different you cannot always approach a term like a ringer with the same definition. |
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Posted - 2013.08.14 01:45:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Aren't there corps in Eve with more than 1200 members in it? Delta Force & PRO had larger numbers than that on Dust. If a corp promotes 60 directors, then it is on them. Noone said there is a rule to have 60 directors in a 1200 member corp. And look at how "successful" they are. We're not going to apologize for good management. What are you saying? You think Top Men would've fared better than Delta Force in PC?
Well we've won pretty much every time we've played them recently so.... |
jjoemike10 O'Conner
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Posted - 2013.08.14 01:47:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:says the person who uses more ringers in PC than i do. at least use all four of my people tht are on. you have like 2 members of ur corp and the rest are ringers.  We've used like one ringer max, in like the entirety of our time in PC, with the exception of the one match we hired NF. Skipper Jones wrote:Or some people that think they have all ultimate knowledge (such as yourself) and some people that have a different opinion. Not ultimate knowledge. Just more than you. ^_^ Top Men are the only ones that don't know what a ringer is. You guys are trying to recreate the definition given to a word by fps community long before dust was a thought.
Cubs seems to agree and im pretty sure he isn't in top men, pretty sure
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jjoemike10 O'Conner
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Posted - 2013.08.14 03:01:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:Really? A corp is suddenly just a bunch of randoms? They are suddenly not even tangentially related to you? Yet to you, an alliance is a clan. people who are harder to talk with, organize with, and work with by consequence.
A clan is a group of people under the same "end of name" tag, the "end of name" tags in dust are the corp names, so they are, in effect the clans of dust. and ringers are people from outside your clan, period.
Conceptually, the clan and corp are the same thing. Just because you don't like it does not mean it changes. Dust is trying to be other games currently, so it gets the same metrics and concepts applied. Until it truly becomes it's own game with it's own concepts(1-5 years from now I'm guessing, until then, it will just be a generic sci-fi shooter) it will be in the same cadre of games like CoD, Battlefield, and Planetside.
I won't agree or disagree, but who are you to decide? |
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Posted - 2013.08.14 03:16:00 -
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And The same goes for you, no room to decide that you're right as well. |
jjoemike10 O'Conner
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Posted - 2013.08.14 14:51:00 -
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BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:says the person who uses more ringers in PC than i do. at least use all four of my people tht are on. you have like 2 members of ur corp and the rest are ringers. We've used like one ringer max, in like the entirety of our time in PC, with the exception of the one match we hired NF. Skipper Jones wrote:Or some people that think they have all ultimate knowledge (such as yourself) and some people that have a different opinion. Not ultimate knowledge. Just more than you. ^_^ i know i have ringed for you guys so the only ringer u have ever used was me. but u forgot al the exemplar ringers and dois X ringers. and for some reason i doubt i have been ur only ringer i've seen u guys ask in public chats if u can get some ringers. i should know tht's how i ringed for top men. XD btw top men is the only people who agree with u. and some others here and there. just trying to defend your point. which is not right BTW.
I first off exemplars and dios ex are in top men. And secondly if you scroll through the Only people Really disagreeing are you, dubbs, that bastard guy, and skippy. |
jjoemike10 O'Conner
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Posted - 2013.08.14 14:53:00 -
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Woops and zatara, my bad |
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