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Billi Gene
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.08.10 23:51:00 -
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I played a PC match yesterday. And wow, I got destroyed the second match. I'm willing to be that the majority of you, who think the Assault Rifle is in a good place right now, probably play Instant battle 99% of the time, like me. The problem here is that the random players (and also thanks to 400wp debacle) are pretty terrible and the Assault Rifle is easy to ignore. I'm an Amarr Assault and specced into amarr ****, so to me, the Assauilt Rifle was no more different than the Laser rifle. Just like some people are terrible with Sniper Rifles, some people are terrible with Assault Rifles. Some people are really good with Sniper Rifles, some people are good with Assault Rifles.
That's what I USED to think. Until **** hit the fan.
I played my first couple of competitive matches yesterday. The first game, I hardly died to assault rifles, died a few times to them but I felt all my deaths during the first match was fair. I think I went 14 kills and 7 or 9 deaths or something against Teamplayers.
Then the second match started and WTF.... Nearly every person I personally ran into had Assault Rifles and I must have died 10 or 12 times to Assault rifles alone. This DEFINITELY put Assault Rifles on my radar. These things were inescapable. So I began thinking....
Casual vs Competitive (READ: kids who can't aim vs talented shooters)
The Assault Rifle cannot exist as it currently. No matter how you balance the weapon, it will either ruin competitive matches, or it will cease to become relevant at all even in casual matches. You see, when a competitive player uses an Area of effect weapons (MD, PLC, Grenades) against another, there are two competitions going on in the duel
1) Who can deal the most damage, the fastest 2) Who can avoid the most damage
When you give one of these very skilled players a Assault Rifle, guess what happens? He can't miss. His helpless opponent cannot dodge, strafe, run for cover at all. He has essentially denied the helpless man the "2) Who can avoid the most damage" rule of this game. ALSO, he has crippled the helpless man's ability to just "stand his ground" and out DPS the Assault Rifle because the Assault Rifle jerks his screen around and skew his aim. There is no reason to use any other weapon in a competitive match, (actually I take that back there needs to be a Forge gun sniping objectives). I try and go the High DPS route with my proficiency lvl 5, 2 cmplex dmg mods, charge shot imperial scrambler rifle, but all the DPS is meaningless in a duel with Assault Rifles. I could kill other suits/guns just fine if I got a bead on my opponent fast enough. But those ARs were impossible.
B-B-But Assault Rifle Takes Skill!
If you think the Assault Rifle takes a lot of skill to master, then you are probably really bad at aiming and shooting. Play instant battle and you will see how terrible Assault Rifle users are. Play PC and see how devastating Assault Rifles are.
The difference is that the ARs allow bad players (who would have terrible aiming) to, thanks to spray and pray damage, have "decent" aiming. These bad players can now complete with Lasers and other weapons in casual public matches.
on the other hand...
ARs allow skilled players (who can aim well consistently) to have flawless aiming. Because of the spray and pray, the damage per ssecond, the screen shake, and the aim displacement... the AR will out DPS anything mid/close-mid-mid/long (AKA Laser territory) range.
So you still think the AR takes skill? Because of the projectile and time of flight? That's okay. Not trying to offend you or anything, but if you think an "easy-mode-spray and pray-black hole-for-armor-instakiller" takes skill, if it took you weeks to master the ARs dispersion ....
Conclusion
...then you are a bad player. |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
454
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Posted - 2013.08.10 23:54:00 -
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/slow clap
Good troll lad, good troll. You could have at least quoted the original author of the MD Nerf thread at the end though. Really, even trolls refuse to plagiarize. |
Brolaire of Asstoria
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
123
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Posted - 2013.08.10 23:57:00 -
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Hang on didn't someone do this already?? |
Billi Gene
The Southern Legion
228
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Posted - 2013.08.10 23:59:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:/slow clap
Good troll lad, good troll. You could have at least quoted the original author of the MD Nerf thread at the end though. Really, even trolls refuse to plagiarize.
I have no idea what you are talking about, please stay OT if you are going to comment on this serious and game changing subject |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1125
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Posted - 2013.08.11 00:02:00 -
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I physically cannot use the Assault Rifle.....
I mean I get go with it every time I run through Academy and then for a week after that in pub and FW matches... but then it somehow slips away from me.... perhaps its that Im physically having to restrain myself from clawing my eyes out..... such a boring weapon. |
KING SALASI
MAJOR DISTRIBUTION
206
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Posted - 2013.08.11 00:02:00 -
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Good players kill with any weapon so this thread is a lol at best. |
Billi Gene
The Southern Legion
228
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Posted - 2013.08.11 00:04:00 -
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KING SALASI wrote:Good players kill with any weapon so this thread is a lol at best.
I'm not sure what you mean entirely but i think i can warp your statement around to work for me,
THANK YOU FOR THE SUPPORT WE NEED MORE PEOPLE LIKE THIS!!!!!!
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Billi Gene
The Southern Legion
228
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Posted - 2013.08.11 00:07:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:I physically cannot use the Assault Rifle.....
I mean I get go with it every time I run through Academy and then for a week after that in pub and FW matches... but then it somehow slips away from me.... perhaps its that Im physically having to restrain myself from clawing my eyes out..... such a boring weapon.
yes yes yes.. the AR makes me sick as well.. SICK OF ITS OP NATURE!!!!
I AM LITERALLY FURIOUS AS I AM TYPING>>> YOU CAN TELL BECAUSE IT AM TYPING IN ALL CAPS, NAD I MAEK THE OCACTIONAL SPELLIGN MISTAKEKEKEK.
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1125
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Posted - 2013.08.11 00:08:00 -
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Its not OP most AR users suck and even if they do get the jump on me die as soon as I train the ScR's little red dot over their smarmy shield tanked faces. |
WhiteMage7322
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
272
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Posted - 2013.08.11 00:09:00 -
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Get better? |
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Billi Gene
The Southern Legion
229
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Posted - 2013.08.11 00:16:00 -
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WhiteMage7322 wrote:Get better?
you don't understand me .. you're not my mother!!!!
therefore you must be speaking complete claptrap, I am offended by clap trap. ergo you must now hari kari and DIAF!!!
thank you for helping me to prove my point!
Quote:Its not OP most AR users suck and even if they do get the jump on me die as soon as I train the ScR's little red dot over their smarmy shield tanked faces.
yesss AR users so obviously suck because my ranting must prove it is so.... any utter lack of empirical data is noted as being necessary for me to maintain MY RAGE AT THE AR!!! AND ITS CAMPAIGN OF DOOM!!
also i see you sympathise with the plight of the cal logi slayers, so wrongfully tossed aside by CCP the WROUGHTERS OF THE INJUSTICE THAT IS THE ASSAULT RIFLE!!!!! DOOOOM DOOOM THE HELL FORGES OF MORDOR CRY FOR THE RETURN OF THEIR LOST SON... SEND THE AR BACK TO WHERE IT BELONGSSSSZZZZ
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Tek Hound
Death In Xcess Corporation
24
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Posted - 2013.08.11 00:50:00 -
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Op heres a +1 but your wasting your time. Easymode in this game is Ar and people know it but its the majorities crutch.People keep saying " Its not the ar it this".when this got nerfed people said again "Its not the ar its this" about four nerfs of this and the ar is still topGuess what its the Ar.Just a waste of time majorities rule and the Ar is going nowhere |
Xender17
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
430
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Posted - 2013.08.11 00:53:00 -
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Every freaken topic about a weapon. "I played match (pc, pub, fw) yesterday, and wow. I got destroyed." |
HARDFACTS DUSTTRUTH
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
96
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Posted - 2013.08.11 00:54:00 -
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Billi Gene wrote:I played a PC match yesterday. And wow, I got destroyed the second match. I'm willing to be that the majority of you, who think the Assault Rifle is in a good place right now, probably play Instant battle 99% of the time, like me. The problem here is that the random players (and also thanks to 400wp debacle) are pretty terrible and the Assault Rifle is easy to ignore. I'm an Amarr Assault and specced into amarr ****, so to me, the Assauilt Rifle was no more different than the Laser rifle. Just like some people are terrible with Sniper Rifles, some people are terrible with Assault Rifles. Some people are really good with Sniper Rifles, some people are good with Assault Rifles.
That's what I USED to think. Until **** hit the fan.
I played my first couple of competitive matches yesterday. The first game, I hardly died to assault rifles, died a few times to them but I felt all my deaths during the first match was fair. I think I went 14 kills and 7 or 9 deaths or something against Teamplayers.
Then the second match started and WTF.... Nearly every person I personally ran into had Assault Rifles and I must have died 10 or 12 times to Assault rifles alone. This DEFINITELY put Assault Rifles on my radar. These things were inescapable. So I began thinking....
Casual vs Competitive (READ: kids who can't aim vs talented shooters)
The Assault Rifle cannot exist as it currently. No matter how you balance the weapon, it will either ruin competitive matches, or it will cease to become relevant at all even in casual matches. You see, when a competitive player uses an Area of effect weapons (MD, PLC, Grenades) against another, there are two competitions going on in the duel
1) Who can deal the most damage, the fastest 2) Who can avoid the most damage
When you give one of these very skilled players a Assault Rifle, guess what happens? He can't miss. His helpless opponent cannot dodge, strafe, run for cover at all. He has essentially denied the helpless man the "2) Who can avoid the most damage" rule of this game. ALSO, he has crippled the helpless man's ability to just "stand his ground" and out DPS the Assault Rifle because the Assault Rifle jerks his screen around and skew his aim. There is no reason to use any other weapon in a competitive match, (actually I take that back there needs to be a Forge gun sniping objectives). I try and go the High DPS route with my proficiency lvl 5, 2 cmplex dmg mods, charge shot imperial scrambler rifle, but all the DPS is meaningless in a duel with Assault Rifles. I could kill other suits/guns just fine if I got a bead on my opponent fast enough. But those ARs were impossible.
B-B-But Assault Rifle Takes Skill!
If you think the Assault Rifle takes a lot of skill to master, then you are probably really bad at aiming and shooting. Play instant battle and you will see how terrible Assault Rifle users are. Play PC and see how devastating Assault Rifles are.
The difference is that the ARs allow bad players (who would have terrible aiming) to, thanks to spray and pray damage, have "decent" aiming. These bad players can now complete with Lasers and other weapons in casual public matches.
on the other hand...
ARs allow skilled players (who can aim well consistently) to have flawless aiming. Because of the spray and pray, the damage per ssecond, the screen shake, and the aim displacement... the AR will out DPS anything mid/close-mid-mid/long (AKA Laser territory) range.
So you still think the AR takes skill? Because of the projectile and time of flight? That's okay. Not trying to offend you or anything, but if you think an "easy-mode-spray and pray-black hole-for-armor-instakiller" takes skill, if it took you weeks to master the ARs dispersion ....
Conclusion
...then you are a bad player.
Get good noob, its the mass drivers and Forge guns that are the new FOTM duhhhhhhhh |
Billi Gene
The Southern Legion
231
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Posted - 2013.08.11 00:56:00 -
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HARDFACTS DUSTTRUTH wrote:Billi Gene wrote:I played a PC match yesterday. And wow, I got destroyed the second match. I'm willing to be that the majority of you, who think the Assault Rifle is in a good place right now, probably play Instant battle 99% of the time, like me. The problem here is that the random players (and also thanks to 400wp debacle) are pretty terrible and the Assault Rifle is easy to ignore. I'm an Amarr Assault and specced into amarr ****, so to me, the Assauilt Rifle was no more different than the Laser rifle. Just like some people are terrible with Sniper Rifles, some people are terrible with Assault Rifles. Some people are really good with Sniper Rifles, some people are good with Assault Rifles.
That's what I USED to think. Until **** hit the fan.
I played my first couple of competitive matches yesterday. The first game, I hardly died to assault rifles, died a few times to them but I felt all my deaths during the first match was fair. I think I went 14 kills and 7 or 9 deaths or something against Teamplayers.
Then the second match started and WTF.... Nearly every person I personally ran into had Assault Rifles and I must have died 10 or 12 times to Assault rifles alone. This DEFINITELY put Assault Rifles on my radar. These things were inescapable. So I began thinking....
Casual vs Competitive (READ: kids who can't aim vs talented shooters)
The Assault Rifle cannot exist as it currently. No matter how you balance the weapon, it will either ruin competitive matches, or it will cease to become relevant at all even in casual matches. You see, when a competitive player uses an Area of effect weapons (MD, PLC, Grenades) against another, there are two competitions going on in the duel
1) Who can deal the most damage, the fastest 2) Who can avoid the most damage
When you give one of these very skilled players a Assault Rifle, guess what happens? He can't miss. His helpless opponent cannot dodge, strafe, run for cover at all. He has essentially denied the helpless man the "2) Who can avoid the most damage" rule of this game. ALSO, he has crippled the helpless man's ability to just "stand his ground" and out DPS the Assault Rifle because the Assault Rifle jerks his screen around and skew his aim. There is no reason to use any other weapon in a competitive match, (actually I take that back there needs to be a Forge gun sniping objectives). I try and go the High DPS route with my proficiency lvl 5, 2 cmplex dmg mods, charge shot imperial scrambler rifle, but all the DPS is meaningless in a duel with Assault Rifles. I could kill other suits/guns just fine if I got a bead on my opponent fast enough. But those ARs were impossible.
B-B-But Assault Rifle Takes Skill!
If you think the Assault Rifle takes a lot of skill to master, then you are probably really bad at aiming and shooting. Play instant battle and you will see how terrible Assault Rifle users are. Play PC and see how devastating Assault Rifles are.
The difference is that the ARs allow bad players (who would have terrible aiming) to, thanks to spray and pray damage, have "decent" aiming. These bad players can now complete with Lasers and other weapons in casual public matches.
on the other hand...
ARs allow skilled players (who can aim well consistently) to have flawless aiming. Because of the spray and pray, the damage per ssecond, the screen shake, and the aim displacement... the AR will out DPS anything mid/close-mid-mid/long (AKA Laser territory) range.
So you still think the AR takes skill? Because of the projectile and time of flight? That's okay. Not trying to offend you or anything, but if you think an "easy-mode-spray and pray-black hole-for-armor-instakiller" takes skill, if it took you weeks to master the ARs dispersion ....
Conclusion
...then you are a bad player. Get good noob, its the mass drivers and Forge guns that are the new FOTM duhhhhhhhh
don't you have a main you can post from? :P
in any case thank you for agreeing, YES THE AR NEEDS NERFING!!! |
The legend345
TeamPlayers EoN.
851
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Posted - 2013.08.11 01:51:00 -
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didn't even read this sh!t yet but 1 plus for title. |
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