So there you have it.

Now STFU.

OK guys, Bitter said that it's not OP. I guess we can go home now.

Flux is fine.

Maps make LAV's and long range weapons seem OP.

Explosives are too powerful against armor.

1. The way explosives work.
This needs to be fixed there should be "damage falloff" at the edge of the explosion rather than doing full damage at the edges. This way a direct or at least a closer shot is encouraged.

2. Weapon kicked up and screen thrown upwards
I'm pretty sure everyone agrees this is too damn much. You can't hit the mass driver user back effectively if it takes you the same time to re-position your sight as it takes for him to fire another shot at you which will kick your sight up again.

3. Current maps
There's basically little way to get above your enemy with very buildings being few and far in between or inaccessible

4. Armour
It's already sh*tty. Mass drivers f*ck it up even more.

5.Flux grenades
They one shot shields.

1) Definately this is why the 8.2 radius on the proto MD is so OP, I hope this is fixed in 1.4.

4) Yes a thousand times yes.

5) Rushing a MD with a flux grenade in your hand will lead to the ultimate death of one of you.

So do you think fluxes need to be tweaked or do you think they're fine?

If CCP allows them to do armor damage then yes tweak them, or at least apply a debuff to shield repair and delay.

I think they need to make it so that the STD flux can't just instantly knock off all the shields of any suit no matter the amount of shields they have.
They should also have explosion like fall off too where less shields get taken out the farther from the flux you are.

I was a bout to suggest fall off also introducing an AV variant that doest 1200 dam with homing but only explode vs vehicles and making standard Fluxes do the damage of Locus nades.

Yeah I kinda love the idea of the Mass Driver...as a mid-range support weapon. But it never really functions like that when I come up against folks using them. Most use it as a CQB spam machine. Kinda foolish if you ask me. Especially when you factor all the smoke and distortion that the thing causes. How players don't blow the hell outta themselves is beyond me.

I think if you are going to "fix" the Mass Driver it need not have anything to do with damage...spash or direct. Instead incorporate two things:

1. Slower rate of fire and slower projectile speed. This will ensure the skill factor is present in the weapon handling. Careful shots should be key.

2. Incorporate a minimum number of "twists" or minimum distance the projectile has to travel before it is armed and will explode. This is a simple feature of most real world grenade launchers as a safety measure and will help ensure the weapon cannot be used as some kind of super-shotgun. It keeps the weapon locked into mid-range combat. You can still give the projectile some damage capability if you get a direct hit at close range...just not explosive damage.

Work in those physics and the Mass Driver makes a lot more sense IMO.

Yeah I kinda love the idea of the Mass Driver...as a mid-range support weapon. But it never really functions like that when I come up against folks using them. Most use it as a CQB spam machine. Kinda foolish if you ask me. Especially when you factor all the smoke and distortion that the thing causes. How players don't blow the hell outta themselves is beyond me.

I think if you are going to "fix" the Mass Driver it need not have anything to do with damage...spash or direct. Instead incorporate two things:

1. Slower rate of fire and slower projectile speed. This will ensure the skill factor is present in the weapon handling. Careful shots should be key.

2. Incorporate a minimum number of "twists" or minimum distance the projectile has to travel before it is armed and will explode. This is a simple feature of most real world grenade launchers as a safety measure and will help ensure the weapon cannot be used as some kind of super-shotgun. It keeps the weapon locked into mid-range combat. You can still give the projectile some damage capability if you get a direct hit at close range...just not explosive damage.

Work in those physics and the Mass Driver makes a lot more sense IMO.

All they really need to do is bring back the Chromosome physics- slightly slower velocity and a more drastic falloff. What people are doing is getting to level 3 and using the EXO-5 in CQC like a shotgun since the operation skill is connected to blast radius.

OK guys, Bitter said that it's not OP. I guess we can go home now.

Yeah, it isn't OP.

It's actually UP because to get any utility out of it you have to use fluxes and nanohives.

So when people qq about the MD, they're really qqing about the MD, fluxes and nanohives combined. Despite this, even combined like this, it still doesn't outperform the generalist weapon of the AR - and it should.

Flux doesn't seem fine to me. I know locus grenades hit armour hard but that's something that should be fixed too. Grenade sin general need to be tweaked.

Flux is fine. It keeps the Caldari suits from being OP.

Explosives are not. A militia Locus grenade will kill a proto Gallante Assault who is fully armor tanked. Explosive bonus damage to armor needs to be lowered.