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Severus Smith Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 270	Posted - 2013.08.08 21:34:00 - [1] - Quote Idea. Remove WP from FW and PC. They don't make sense, what military awards "points" to actions soldiers should be doing already. It should be about winning / losing those matches: strategy and teamwork. Not how many WP's you can get. Maybe still track them behind the scenes for SP accrual, but don't show them to us. Instant Battles, sure why not. They're pointless battles anyhow, go ahead and keep the pointless stat.
Tal-Rakken DUST University Ivy League 47	Posted - 2013.08.08 21:48:00 - [2] - Quote Wp is an integral portion of ones statistics and when combined with ones kdr it can show a lot about whether a merc with a low kdr is actually helping in battles(say a fully speced logi getting 2k+ wp per match but with 0 kills) this is a necessary mechanic and should not be removed. -1 from me
Severus Smith Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 270	Posted - 2013.08.08 22:23:00 - [3] - Quote Corps have been recruiting in EVE just fine without "War Points". They look at killboards, ask for referrals, do interviews, give tests. I don't hear any sob stories of Logistics pilots, or EWAR pilots, or Scouts, or Cyno pilots, or any other non "kill it with lazors" pilots not getting into Corps. Hell, it's actually the opposite - Corps want those people bad. So yah, don't agree. Corp HR departments wont breakdown without WP's to check. Logi's will still be fine. Not have a high KDR but have most SP invested in Logi skills? If a Corp recruiter can't put two and two together from that then you don't want to join anyhow.
Tal-Rakken DUST University Ivy League 48	Posted - 2013.08.09 00:04:00 - [4] - Quote Severus Smith wrote: Corps have been recruiting in EVE just fine without "War Points". They look at killboards, ask for referrals, do interviews, give tests. I don't hear any sob stories of Logistics pilots, or EWAR pilots, or Scouts, or Cyno pilots, or any other non "kill it with lazors" pilots not getting into Corps. Hell, it's actually the opposite - Corps want those people bad. So yah, don't agree. Corp HR departments wont breakdown without WP's to check. Logi's will still be fine. Not have a high KDR but have most SP invested in Logi skills? If a Corp recruiter can't put two and two together from that then you don't want to join anyhow. Dust has very little of what you just mentioned and now that you mention it I might put up a thread about "wp" for kills and logistics support and so forth for eve as that would be a wonderful new stat that might make it easier to find people willing to fly Logi ships in eve. Killboards while it would be nice to see this implemented in dust it would be rather annoying and probably cause a lot of server side lag due to the number of kills each match. As for the recruitment side stuff I've never been through the process dust side for a big name corp although I have been through a couple eveside(look up tal'rakken for eve history) Wp is a mechanic that's good for the game something to allow us to measure our e-peens if our kdr isn't all that great(my personal kdr is .78 as of this post and steadily increasing). Frankly rewarding those support roles in dust is a good thing why would you want to remove that?? Also how can you compare mercenaries to a military mercenaries kill for money militarists kill for a county/cause etc
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2821	Posted - 2013.08.09 00:17:00 - [5] - Quote Support. Won/lose is all that matters in those battles.
Justine Oma-Lyndel Raven Accord Black Core Alliance 14	Posted - 2013.08.09 01:23:00 - [6] - Quote -1 Disagree. Some players are motivated by WP, some are motivated by in-corp rewards for being the top or top 3 WP accruals. Why try to get the team to take out something that's so trivial? You remind me of a certain OP back a while ago that used CCP resources to change female walking animation because of sexism. -You don't have to look at your wp -If you truly don't care about it's existence then why fight to take it out? -It does matter for players that care about their wp progression
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 366	Posted - 2013.08.09 01:46:00 - [7] - Quote Plus, how to get OB's/future squad perks?
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1080	Posted - 2013.08.09 02:05:00 - [8] - Quote Severus Smith wrote: Idea. Remove WP from FW and PC. They don't make sense, what military awards "points" to actions soldiers should be doing already. It should be about winning / losing those matches: strategy and teamwork. Not how many WP's you can get. Maybe still track them behind the scenes for SP accrual, but don't show them to us. Instant Battles, sure why not. They're pointless battles anyhow, go ahead and keep the pointless stat. Um every military in new eden awards points to its loyalists.....
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 1426	Posted - 2013.08.09 02:21:00 - [9] - Quote Tal-Rakken wrote: Wp is an integral portion of ones statistics and when combined with ones kdr it can show a lot about whether a merc with a low kdr is actually helping in battles(say a fully speced logi getting 2k+ wp per match but with 0 kills) this is a necessary mechanic and should not be removed. -1 from me ^This Using CCP Development resources to reduce the amount of information shared with the players, be it on the forums or within the game client, is 180 degrees the wrong direction. If anything we would benefit from getting more information, both from the in game UI and from CCP (I'll give CCP some credit it takes a certain amount of time and internal vetting before they clear a Dev blog, but even with that said post match stats should come in greater detail such as how those WP were earned and what your ISK efficiency was/how many actual clones you lost as opposed to just the general 'kdr'). 0.02 ISK Cross
Severus Smith Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 273	Posted - 2013.08.09 12:31:00 - [10] - Quote Shrug Good points. Was just a random idea. I still don't like them; to me it should be about ISK efficiency, wins, and losses. But y'all seem too like the fluffy stat points so that's important. I just don't see how a persons total WP can help differentiate between if they're a terribad nolifer who plays 100 matches a day, an actually good player, or a tool who just farms kills but ignores objectives and teamplay.

Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 91	Posted - 2013.08.09 12:39:00 - [11] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Support. Win/lose is all that matters in those battles. Disagree in the current state winnin or loosing doesn't matter at all that's why no one really cares. Its sad but thats the state of the game right now. Also WP contribute directly to your SP gain and the ability to call orbitals. So in general WP is a central part of the current game mechanic...
Tal-Rakken DUST University Ivy League 51	Posted - 2013.08.09 15:19:00 - [12] - Quote Severus Smith wrote: Shrug Good points. Was just a random idea. I still don't like them; to me it should be about ISK efficiency, wins, and losses. But y'all seem too like the fluffy stat points so that's important. I just don't see how a persons total WP can help differentiate between if they're a terribad nolifer who plays 100 matches a day, an actually good player, or a tool who just farms kills but ignores objectives and teamplay. check out this site: http://dust514stats.com/ it takes your kdr, your wp, and your win/loss ratio and combines them to give you several meaningfull stats. while kdr is important for an assault its an entirely meaningless stat for most logis(although its always good to have positive kdr with logi) thx for reminding me to update my stats on there btw god can't wait till they give us a dust api will make all the 3rd party stuff so much easier when it automatically updates.
Skipper Jones Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 613	Posted - 2013.08.09 16:54:00 - [13] - Quote I personally don't care about KDRs and WP progression. The WP just dictate how many SPs you get in a game, and give you OBs.


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