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Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
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Posted - 2013.08.08 19:11:00 -
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Question: of the people calling for a nerf of the Mass Driver, how many of you have tried it? |
kiro of justice
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.08 19:13:00 -
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The nerf is coming.
I've seen threads like these before the nerf of EVERY other weapon in the game.
The nerf is coming.
And I will be there. |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
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Posted - 2013.08.08 19:15:00 -
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kiro of justice wrote:The nerf is coming.
I've seen threads like these before the nerf of EVERY other weapon in the game.
The nerf is coming.
And I will be there.
Off topic. I'm curious if the people who have experience with them are the ones calling for the nerf, or if the victims are. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.08.08 19:16:00 -
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At this point ppl just do it for sport. To see if they can get anough momentum on the forums and move CCP to do another LOL nerf. It has nothing to do anymore with how weak or strong a weapon is. |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
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Posted - 2013.08.08 19:24:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:At this point ppl just do it for sport. To see if they can get anough momentum on the forums and move CCP to do another LOL nerf. It has nothing to do anymore with how weak or strong a weapon is.
That is the impression I'm getting as well. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.08.08 19:26:00 -
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kiro of justice wrote:The nerf is coming.
I've seen threads like these before the nerf of EVERY other weapon in the game.
The nerf is coming.
And I will be there. If that were true, why wasn't the MD mentioned in the explosion dampening devblog? |
Ploo-Koon
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.08.08 19:31:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:kiro of justice wrote:The nerf is coming.
I've seen threads like these before the nerf of EVERY other weapon in the game.
The nerf is coming.
And I will be there. If that were true, why wasn't the MD mentioned in the explosion dampening devblog?
Everyone was too busy bitching about the flaylock. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.08.08 19:54:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:At this point ppl just do it for sport. To see if they can get anough momentum on the forums and move CCP to do another LOL nerf. It has nothing to do anymore with how weak or strong a weapon is. That is the impression I'm getting as well.
Agreed.
Lets spam MD , laser and plasma cannon buff threads. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.08.08 19:58:00 -
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Ploo-Koon wrote:Cosgar wrote:kiro of justice wrote:The nerf is coming.
I've seen threads like these before the nerf of EVERY other weapon in the game.
The nerf is coming.
And I will be there. If that were true, why wasn't the MD mentioned in the explosion dampening devblog? Everyone was too busy bitching about the flaylock. They were complaining about explosions in general, calling the game Explosions 514 and Dust 514: Directed by Michale Bay. |
GET ATMESON
Robbing The Hood
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Posted - 2013.08.08 20:02:00 -
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I want this MD to kill every AR user so they QQ about it so the nerf comes faster. Made an alt now making people mad. Earned some fan mail yeserday saying I was a MD pu**y. The joy of killing someone with something that isnt an AR. |
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XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.08 20:04:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Question: of the people calling for a nerf of the Mass Driver, how many of you have tried it?
I did was the easiest weapon I have ever used in any shooter I have ever played. |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
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Posted - 2013.08.08 20:08:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Question: of the people calling for a nerf of the Mass Driver, how many of you have tried it? I did was the easiest weapon I have ever used in any shooter I have ever played.
What was your KDR with it vs without it? |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.08.08 20:09:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Question: of the people calling for a nerf of the Mass Driver, how many of you have tried it? I did was the easiest weapon I have ever used in any shooter I have ever played.
lol. Suuure it was. Is it your main now?
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Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
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Posted - 2013.08.08 20:11:00 -
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Follow up question: if it were as OP as everyone says, why isn't it more prevealent than any other weapon, the way that Flaylocks were more prevalent than any other sidearms? |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.08.08 20:12:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:At this point ppl just do it for sport. To see if they can get anough momentum on the forums and move CCP to do another LOL nerf. It has nothing to do anymore with how weak or strong a weapon is. I would like to see a serious attempt at doing that for the plasma cannon. However, they would have to pretend it got a stealth buff or something. |
Paran Tadec
Ancient Exiles Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.08.08 20:13:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Follow up question: if it were as OP as everyone says, why isn't it more prevealent than any other weapon, the way that Flaylocks were more prevalent than any other sidearms?
because AR still beasts the MD |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1510
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Posted - 2013.08.08 20:14:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Follow up question: if it were as OP as everyone says, why isn't it more prevealent than any other weapon, the way that Flaylocks were more prevalent than any other sidearms?
For the record, you're right the MD isn't OP at all.
Also, the flaylock wasn't more prevalent than the SMG. It never was.
Third, the AR is the most prevalent weapon in the game, and is OP. Also, this is the key to understanding what I have written.
The reason the flaylock was nerfed, and not the SMG, despite the SMG being a better sidearm is because the SMG is wielded as a sidearm by the AR users, thus it get's a little of the nerf-proof halo that the AR has. Consequently, we are only allowed to have nerfs that aren't ARs (or protected by them) so this usually means that, even though the weapons aren't OP, they get nerfed.
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Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
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Posted - 2013.08.08 20:15:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Follow up question: if it were as OP as everyone says, why isn't it more prevealent than any other weapon, the way that Flaylocks were more prevalent than any other sidearms? because AR still beasts the MD
Based on this, then it's not OP. |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.08 20:16:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Follow up question: if it were as OP as everyone says, why isn't it more prevealent than any other weapon, the way that Flaylocks were more prevalent than any other sidearms?
Clearly, you have never played PC before |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.08.08 20:16:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Follow up question: if it were as OP as everyone says, why isn't it more prevealent than any other weapon, the way that Flaylocks were more prevalent than any other sidearms? because AR still beasts the MD Based on this, then it's not OP.
Of course it isn't, but it has a chance to actually compete, on occasion, with the AR. Thus we have all the cry baby posts about it. |
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Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
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Posted - 2013.08.08 20:17:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Follow up question: if it were as OP as everyone says, why isn't it more prevealent than any other weapon, the way that Flaylocks were more prevalent than any other sidearms? because AR still beasts the MD Based on this, then it's not OP. Of course it isn't, but it has a chance to actually compete, on occasion, with the AR. Thus we have all the cry baby posts about it.
To summarize: people are calling it OP, not because it is OP, but because they might be beat by it.
This is my conclusion, I just wanted there to be a thread that backed it up with logical thought. No one will pay attention, I know, but I thank you all for your participation. |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
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Posted - 2013.08.08 20:19:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Follow up question: if it were as OP as everyone says, why isn't it more prevealent than any other weapon, the way that Flaylocks were more prevalent than any other sidearms? Clearly, you have never played PC before
I have. This wasn't a debate where I don't know the answers - never was meant to be that at all. It is one where I wanted people to think and give the answers instead of "nerf this" mentality without thought. (i.e. devil's advocate) |
Stile451
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.09 19:54:00 -
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I have used the MD as my main(in fact only) weapon since it came out(minmatar logi).
It didn't need the stealth 1m radius buff that it got when hit detection was improved at the same time. |
I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
586
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Posted - 2013.08.09 19:59:00 -
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Shotguns are close quarters weapons that take about 3 shots to take someone down. You can even 1 shot a player if you get close enough.
Nerf Shotguns...oh wait, mass drives do the same thing?
I guess we should nerf mass drivers then.
-_- |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.09 20:01:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:At this point ppl just do it for sport. To see if they can get anough momentum on the forums and move CCP to do another LOL nerf. It has nothing to do anymore with how weak or strong a weapon is. I would like to see a serious attempt at doing that for the plasma cannon. However, they would have to pretend it got a stealth buff or something. Well, it IS a one shot kill weapon... |
Vicious Minotaur
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.08.09 20:06:00 -
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The Mass Driver is overpowered by proxy, and as such, a direct nerf to the MD would, for the most part, be unwarranted.
The MD's biggest problem is armour tanking. I'd also say that the way explosive damage is handled is also a problem. Fixing those would also, by extension, "fix" the MD in all likelihood. |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
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Posted - 2013.08.09 20:07:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:The Mass Driver is overpowered by proxy, and as such, a direct nerf to the MD would, for the most part, be unwarranted.
The MD's biggest problem is armour tanking. I'd also say that the way explosive damage is handled is also a problem. Fixing those would also, by extension, "fix" the MD in all likelihood.
Given that most people shield tank, I wouldn't call it OP by proxy. |
Bittersteel the Bastard
WarRavens League of Infamy
96
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Posted - 2013.08.09 20:14:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Vicious Minotaur wrote:The Mass Driver is overpowered by proxy, and as such, a direct nerf to the MD would, for the most part, be unwarranted.
The MD's biggest problem is armour tanking. I'd also say that the way explosive damage is handled is also a problem. Fixing those would also, by extension, "fix" the MD in all likelihood. Given that most people shield tank, I wouldn't call it OP by proxy.
It's the combo of Flux and the shittiness of armour.
Edit: Shameless plug because CCP LogiBro moved it to Feedback and Requests to be buried. :/
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=100755&find=unread |
Zero Notion
Red Star Jr. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.09 20:15:00 -
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The MD is 'fine'.
Explosions are 'fine'.
What's wrong with them is that the current environment, a non friendly-fire environment, allows for spamming which utilizes the weapons in a way that redefines their purpose in a balanced game.
I'd say in a PC match, they're balanced (although armor probably does need a slight resistance buff against explosive damage), as they cannot be spammed as heavily CQC without potentially wrecking your team/yourself. It happens regardless, I'm sure, but that's just poor planning and tactics. A smart counter would easily mop up the floor with whoever does this.
In pubs, its Explospam 514, unfortunately.
Regardless, I think most people are starting threads and noticing more kills due to a psychological mechanic that exists. It's like when you buy a car and suddenly you see that same car everywhere.
Or see the number 23 everywhere. |
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