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mollerz wrote:

Scheneighnay McBob wrote:

Lillica Deathdealer wrote:

McBob, what you just said is genius, and one of the most intelligent things I've heard on the forums in awhile. Spread this idea whenever you can. We need it.

The idea where we give LAVs customizable horns?

I want my LAV horn to be the INCEPTION HORN!

FYI- CQC with knives is hard, but it's more than viable. A couple of tips:

- Do not panic. You want to stay in control of your bearings (which is hard given the narrow FOV we have to contend with).

-You want to make your prey panic. You want to strafe and get them firing off target. You will take a few hits to be sure. But you want them to start spraying and wasting their ammo. know your enemies armaments. how much ammo they have. how many hits you can take from that weapon. etc.

- If you can make them deplete their stamina and ammo, even their sidearm ammo, before you really start going in at them. wqtch out for melee counter attacks.

- You can only slash 4 times and then you'll get a false swing. Make sure to pace yourself, and do no more than 3 slashes and then take a second. Go for 4 if it's close, but then realize you can't slash for a second. That sounds like something you wouldn't worry about, but once you are in a hard core fight, that last choke swing can get you killed.

- try to corral your prey into a corner or against a wall/object. They have no idea what is around them as they back pedal, and they will typically backpedal directly away from you. swing towards their flank to get them to backpedal into something solid. you can surprisingly begin to "steer" your prey like this. and once they are hung up on a wall.. well :D go to town

- leaping can be your friend. The trick is to leap at a severe angle at a sprint so you don't go high up, but far forward. While you are doing this, you can charge your knives. You can always charge your knives while in the air, FYI. If you time it right, you can land near them with a charged hit ready to fly. OHK nearly every time. Only the heaviest of heavies can survive it with nary a g string of armor left. EDIT: Try to land where you think they will be when you release the charged hit. it's almost like leading a sniper shot.

- if you are being hunted... try to run and lure them into a funnel point where you are waiting with your knives charging. if they aren't smart enough, they will walk right into a hit. watch out for nades tho!

- try to slash people from their side.. strafe past them and slash where they will be as you pass. it's sneaky and people don't even know it is coming. EDIT: This is the best way to kill someone who is unaware of you and sprinting away. Let them keep running until they have no stamina left. usually they will slow to a walk and then try to run with the little stamina that regenerates.. so it can get rocky timing this.. but you want to out run them, keep sprinting until you are right on them and then out walk them and have the knives charging so you release as you pass. It should kill them outright,

You'll die a lot no matter what, but it's fun fun satisfying kills :) practice, and make sure to always think on your feet!

happy hunting!


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Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2756	Posted - 2013.08.07 23:14:00 - [1] - Quote While the CQC scouts of old are no longer viable, that isn't what this thread is about. I recently decided to try being a true scout- I avoid direct combat, but use a sniper rifle and nova knife so I can kill before the enemy can react. I throw down uplinks in prime areas for my team- either far enough away that the enemy won't see them, or just in a place they can't reach them. Personally loving the mobility of scouts for this- I've reached ledges only reachable by scouts, in order to plant uplinks. I use a cardiac regulator to roam the map, constantly re-positioning to snipe or place an uplink. I also use a codebreaker (damn, that's a lot of SP, but a nice payoff) for various purposes- mainly hacking supply depots because I don't have nanohives. While roaming around the map and getting into sniper battles (not duels- most frontliners have no idea there's a war raging in the hills) can be pretty fun, I've run into some issues. Rendering Very buggy, and I don't think distance is all of it. Sometimes, a player will take a step in any direction and vanish. The render distance varies also- sometimes players become invisible but I can still deal full damage, while other times I can see them but they're out of range. Using a standard tactical sniper if that means anything. Also, it's not just players which have rendering issues. I can usually see the glow from uplinks and nanohives, but not the equipment themselves; makes it difficult to snipe a pesky uplink. Knives To put it simply, all medium frames can backpedal to avoid my knives. This is ignoring the terrible framerate/lag in CQC that causes myself and my opponent to teleport around. Lag in general It seems that during laggy games, I can't fit through tight spaces that I normally can. It also interferes with some close jumps I make, causing me to fall short. Finally, hacking is extremely difficult sometimes. The game likes to stop my hacks midway through, or make me sit there and hold down O for 5 seconds before the hacking actually starts. One thing I like, however, is that I can find players by watching for a faint glint of their weapon, or listening for sniper shots- this was good, although the sounds aren't consistent. Just a side note to other snipers- I can see the glow from your nanohive from a VERY long ways away. Might want to put it on the other side of the hill or something.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2758	Posted - 2013.08.07 23:44:00 - [2] - Quote Forgot to add something- A coordinate system would be nice; just to call out locations more accurately to the other team. I know you can call stuff like "on top of the tower near B", but when there are no particular landmarks except maybe a slightly larger rock than usual, it doesn't help. The coordinates can just be as simple as in the "map feedback" forums- C6 and things like that. In first person, it could show the coordinates of where you're standing and the coordinates of where your crosshairs are pointing, being displayed underneath the mini-map. In the full map, it would just show the coordinates of wherever the map cursor is on.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2762	Posted - 2013.08.08 00:45:00 - [3] - Quote Lillica Deathdealer wrote: McBob, what you just said is genius, and one of the most intelligent things I've heard on the forums in awhile. Spread this idea whenever you can. We need it. The idea where we give LAVs customizable horns?
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2765	Posted - 2013.08.08 01:35:00 - [4] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: Have they added WP for active scanning yet, or is that coming in next patch? If they add it I might honestly go full scout and do nothing but scan and stab unaware mercs on the fringes of battle. I think I've got enough SP to even get into max-tier scanners. Still SoonGäó
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2765	Posted - 2013.08.08 01:38:00 - [5] - Quote Edited OP
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2785	Posted - 2013.08.08 16:30:00 - [6] - Quote Talos Alomar wrote: I still think scouts should get an extra equipment slot to let them act as sort of a medic, or any other use a stealthy unit can find for an extra equipment slot. I'd also like to see a new light frame spec too. Maybe a skirmisher that trades it's equipment slot and/or sidearm for a bunch more health? I would love 2 equipment slots. Uplink and scanner for the ultimate scout.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2806	Posted - 2013.08.08 20:02:00 - [7] - Quote mollerz wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Lillica Deathdealer wrote: McBob, what you just said is genius, and one of the most intelligent things I've heard on the forums in awhile. Spread this idea whenever you can. We need it. The idea where we give LAVs customizable horns? I want my LAV horn to be the INCEPTION HORN! FYI- CQC with knives is hard, but it's more than viable. A couple of tips: - Do not panic. You want to stay in control of your bearings (which is hard given the narrow FOV we have to contend with). -You want to make your prey panic. You want to strafe and get them firing off target. You will take a few hits to be sure. But you want them to start spraying and wasting their ammo. know your enemies armaments. how much ammo they have. how many hits you can take from that weapon. etc. - If you can make them deplete their stamina and ammo, even their sidearm ammo, before you really start going in at them. wqtch out for melee counter attacks. - You can only slash 4 times and then you'll get a false swing. Make sure to pace yourself, and do no more than 3 slashes and then take a second. Go for 4 if it's close, but then realize you can't slash for a second. That sounds like something you wouldn't worry about, but once you are in a hard core fight, that last choke swing can get you killed. - try to corral your prey into a corner or against a wall/object. They have no idea what is around them as they back pedal, and they will typically backpedal directly away from you. swing towards their flank to get them to backpedal into something solid. you can surprisingly begin to "steer" your prey like this. and once they are hung up on a wall.. well :D go to town - leaping can be your friend. The trick is to leap at a severe angle at a sprint so you don't go high up, but far forward. While you are doing this, you can charge your knives. You can always charge your knives while in the air, FYI. If you time it right, you can land near them with a charged hit ready to fly. OHK nearly every time. Only the heaviest of heavies can survive it with nary a g string of armor left. EDIT: Try to land where you think they will be when you release the charged hit. it's almost like leading a sniper shot. - if you are being hunted... try to run and lure them into a funnel point where you are waiting with your knives charging. if they aren't smart enough, they will walk right into a hit. watch out for nades tho! - try to slash people from their side.. strafe past them and slash where they will be as you pass. it's sneaky and people don't even know it is coming. EDIT: This is the best way to kill someone who is unaware of you and sprinting away. Let them keep running until they have no stamina left. usually they will slow to a walk and then try to run with the little stamina that regenerates.. so it can get rocky timing this.. but you want to out run them, keep sprinting until you are right on them and then out walk them and have the knives charging so you release as you pass. It should kill them outright, You'll die a lot no matter what, but it's fun fun satisfying kills :) practice, and make sure to always think on your feet! happy hunting! I do all of that. Still doesn't counter backpedaling in the open.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2807	Posted - 2013.08.08 20:18:00 - [8] - Quote Oso Peresoso wrote: if you're going to use a sniper rifle, pick something useful for your sidearm. Like an SMG, not a damn nova knife. lol. Nova knife is the only option. Scouts die too quickly to be able to kill anyone with a non-OHK weapon. My weapon choice was completely for killing people before they can take a shot at me.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2827	Posted - 2013.08.09 02:21:00 - [9] - Quote CCP needs to make it more clear on what a landing strategy is.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2837	Posted - 2013.08.09 14:30:00 - [10] - Quote Vulcanus Lightbringer wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Oso Peresoso wrote: if you're going to use a sniper rifle, pick something useful for your sidearm. Like an SMG, not a damn nova knife. lol. Nova knife is the only option. Scouts die too quickly to be able to kill anyone with a non-OHK weapon. My weapon choice was completely for killing people before they can take a shot at me. Try the TY-5 Breach Scrambler pistol, headshots kill everyone except heavies and some PRO-users. I've been using it on my Scout also with a sniper rifle and uplinks and it works fantabulously. Also, Scouts should have 2 equipment slots. Going to try the scrambler today, although I'll have to stick to the standard due to SP restrictions.