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RedRebelCork
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.08.07 09:41:00 -
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So, my understanding is that these will be dropped on us in 1.4. This may or may not be the case, but based on some of the footage at E3 showing a combat rifle, and the stagnation we're experiencing due to lack of new content I'm expecting at least one of them.
Would it not be a good idea to temporarily beef up the Breach and Burst ARs to match the planned stats of their racial counterparts so that we can assess and provide some feedback BEFORE you drop them on us CCP?
A days worth of play testing of the Core Flaylock would have saved a months worth of forum rage. We're here, we're certainly vocal and willing to try anything, give us the chance to help. You'd even gather those valuable statistics. |
Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.08.07 09:54:00 -
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Ccp doing something in advance? If that happened I'd have to rethink everything I know about life. |
broonfondle majikthies
P.O.N.A.G.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.08.07 09:55:00 -
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My concern is the structure the SP tree will take with the new racial weapons. To my knowledge we have 2 currently - Amarr scrambler and Gallente AR.
Given this, if a new weapon is going to be implemented I suspect it will take its own branch from the light weapon skill like the ScR, In which case all the investment into current AR has been meaningless for those wanting a burst / breach weapon as the closest link to their racial counterpart.
Just to be clear I won't be asking for a respec, its just sad if that is the case as we had no choice. Hell, I've got Gallente vehicles that I have no real interest in but at least I can get around and learn how to fly (Gorgons are a joke compared to actual craft) |
Kiiran-B
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.08.07 09:57:00 -
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Burst is pointless, it should get its seven round (or even 5 round) burst back like in chromo. It needed a bit of effort to make it work it was awesome.
Breach needs a bit more damage, mabe 2 or 3 HP more. Nothing else. I'm a fan of it actually, but for its range it doesn't have enough damage. |
RedRebelCork
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.08.07 10:00:00 -
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broonfondle majikthies wrote:My concern is the structure the SP tree will take with the new racial weapons. To my knowledge we have 2 currently - Amarr scrambler and Gallente AR.
Given this, if a new weapon is going to be implemented I suspect it will take its own branch from the light weapon skill like the ScR, In which case all the investment into current AR has been meaningless for those wanting a burst / breach weapon as the closest link to their racial counterpart.
Just to be clear I won't be asking for a respec, its just sad if that is the case as we had no choice. Hell, I've got Gallente vehicles that I have no real interest in but at least I can get around and learn how to fly (Gorgons are a joke compared to actual craft)
I'd like to think that they will offere a respec for Assault Rifle skills to allow players to explore the new ARs, but that's an unlikely. I have 1 million SP in the bank for whatever content comes in 1.4, I'd suggest anyone taking advantage of the double SP event this week not spend it all in a hurry.
To introduce some variety CCP should look at giving each race it's own militia BPO for it's racial rifle to encourage players to use them. They should also rename the regular AR to Plasma Rifle to make it seem less like the AR is the daddy and the others the kids.
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.08.07 10:01:00 -
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Kiiran-B wrote:Burst is pointless, it should get its seven round (or even 5 round) burst back like in chromo. It needed a bit of effort to make it work it was awesome.
Breach needs a bit more damage, mabe 2 or 3 HP more. Nothing else. I'm a fan of it actually, but for its range it doesn't have enough damage.
This isn't about the current breach and burst, this is about the upcoming weapons that should work similarly to the breach and burst IE: The Rail Rifle and Combat Rifle, respectively. I say similar because these weapons will (or at least should) have some very different stats, think of the difference between the Scrambler Rifle and the Tactical Assault Rifle. |
broonfondle majikthies
P.O.N.A.G.S.
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Posted - 2013.08.07 10:08:00 -
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RedRebelCork wrote:I'd like to think that they will offere a respec for Assault Rifle skills to allow players to explore the new ARs, but that's an unlikely. I have 1 million SP in the bank for whatever content comes in 1.4, I'd suggest anyone taking advantage of the double SP event this week not spend it all in a hurry.
To introduce some variety CCP should look at giving each race it's own militia BPO for it's racial rifle to encourage players to use them. They should also rename the regular AR to Plasma Rifle to make it seem less like the AR is the daddy and the others the kids.
Agreed, also would be nice to change the starter kits weapon for the militia variant of their race weapon (assuming that isn't what you mean by BPO? sorry still learning the lingo ) |
Kiiran-B
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.08.07 10:11:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Kiiran-B wrote:Burst is pointless, it should get its seven round (or even 5 round) burst back like in chromo. It needed a bit of effort to make it work it was awesome.
Breach needs a bit more damage, mabe 2 or 3 HP more. Nothing else. I'm a fan of it actually, but for its range it doesn't have enough damage. This isn't about the current breach and burst, this is about the upcoming weapons that should work similarly to the breach and burst IE: The Rail Rifle and Combat Rifle, respectively. I say similar because these weapons will (or at least should) have some very different stats, think of the difference between the Scrambler Rifle and the Tactical Assault Rifle.
Ah, my bad. I read it wrong :).
On subject this time I think it would be a good idea. Preemptive testing is gooooood. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.07 10:23:00 -
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A combat rifle is usually a semi auto AR that CAN be used as a sniper rifle because of its power. Of course there are exceptions, like the G3A3 which can be fired fully auto.
In DUST, the combat rifle will be what the tact. Duvolle is, not the burst. |
Bendtner92
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.08.07 10:32:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:A combat rifle is usually a semi auto AR that CAN be used as a sniper rifle because of its power. Of course there are exceptions, like the G3A3 which can be fired fully auto.
In DUST, the combat rifle will be what the tact. Duvolle is, not the burst.
The Combat Rifle will be the Burst AR though.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=870299#post870299
Scrambler is the Tactical.
Rail is the Breach.
Combat is the Burst.
The Gallente AR should then be renamed to something like Plasma Rifle instead.
The Tactical AR tries to mimic the Scrambler Rifle. |
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.07 10:35:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:A combat rifle is usually a semi auto AR that CAN be used as a sniper rifle because of its power. Of course there are exceptions, like the G3A3 which can be fired fully auto.
In DUST, the combat rifle will be what the tact. Duvolle is, not the burst. The Combat Rifle will be the Burst AR though. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=870299#post870299Scrambler is the Tactical. Rail is the Breach. Combat is the Burst. The Gallente AR should then be renamed to something like Plasma Rifle instead. The Tactical AR tries to mimic the Scrambler Rifle.
well again CCP and logic... never fails... |
hgghyujh
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.07 11:07:00 -
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yes but the base variant is the tac, it mimics the assault with a higher level variant........... there is this thing called reading comprehension you should probably get some |
Bendtner92
Internal Error.
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Posted - 2013.08.07 11:15:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Though I don't understand what he means by an AR mimicking a scrambler rifle... in what way? Both have fully auto and semi auto variants...
When the Rail and Combat Rifle are released every race will have a base variant of their rifle which is:
Assault Rifle (should be renamed to Plasma Rifle or Blaster Rifle).
Scrambler Rifle.
Combat Rifle.
Rail Rifle.
Then each rifle will have sidevariants that will try to do the same as the other races' weapons. So the Assault Scrambler Rifle is a weapon that will perform like the Assault Rifle, but will probably be a little worse. The Tactical Assault Rifle will perform like the Scrambler Rifle, but will probably be a little worse as well.
When the Rail Rifle is released there might be other variants of that as well, for example an Assault Rail Rifle that will be a short range, high ROF weapon, but it will likely not be as good as the Assault Rifle. |
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