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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.08.06 23:39:00 -
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....The mass driver keeps its current stats but is inaccurate?
As a MD lover and proponent I fear that a nerf will be around the corner, especially since so many have jumped on the bandwagon recently, making it seem OP, even though it is working as intended it's just not an AR.
If the explosive impact is reduced it will lose it's niche, so I propose the mass driver increase blast radius slightly, but be inaccurate at mid to long range. I don't say this lightly, I've gotten some wicked kills MD sniping those foolish enough to stand still. The MD itself is fairly accurate if you know how to shoot it, but it doesn't need to be to fill it's role. It could still be used for suppression and dominating choke points and lowpoints. It would be more deadly when used in CQC with the increased radius.
I personally love my mass driver and don't want to go to the post uprising levels, but they are being used much more frequently for too many situations and it worries me.
I've always said, do what you want with the damage but the splash radius needs to remain large in order to fill its niche as a terror and area denial weapon.
I don't want any MD nerf..... but if it is inevitable, please don't make it useless. |
FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
378
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Posted - 2013.08.06 23:52:00 -
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lol increase blast radius. You do know the blast radius gets as high as 8m with the assault variant. Anything greater than 3m blast radius is considered OP on a weapon you can spam. It's all the assault variant's fault, it's just too good. Same thing is happening to #lolForgeGuns. In any case blast radius has to be nerfed but keep damage the same.
-XOXO |
FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
111
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Posted - 2013.08.06 23:59:00 -
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FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:lol increase the radius. You do know the blast radius gets as high as 8m with the assault variant. Anything greater than 3m blast radius is considered OP on a weapon you can spam. It's all the assault variant's fault, it's just too good. Same thing is happening to #lolForgeGuns. In any case blast radius has to be nerfed but keep damage the same.
-XOXO And again a dumb poster. forgrgun require a direct hit to kill. Please don't make dumb comments. Also the splash of the assault is 6. Just saying nice try |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion
298
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Posted - 2013.08.07 00:00:00 -
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The radius needs nerfed if anything. 8m is way to much. If you want to use it for support, the assault has bigger splash/lower damage. If you want to be more of a slayer/support, the vanilla variant has med dmg/splash. For those wishing to fill a slayer only type role, use the breach (or AR, it would be much better)
The assault shouldn't have more than 6-7 meters splash max. The vanilla gets 5-6, and breach gets 4-5.
When they fixed explosive hit detection, they gave it its splash back. I thought the radius with an assault MD was fine in 1.0 for support. |
FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
111
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Posted - 2013.08.07 00:05:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:The radius needs nerfed if anything. 8m is way to much. If you want to use it for support, the assault has bigger splash/lower damage. If you want to be more of a slayer/support, the vanilla variant has med dmg/splash. For those wishing to fill a slayer only type role, use the breach (or AR, it would be much better)
The assault shouldn't have more than 6-7 meters splash max. The vanilla gets 5-6, and breach gets 4-5.
When they fixed explosive hit detection, they gave it its splash back. I thought the radius with an assault MD was fine in 1.0 for support. The gun finally working as intended. Why touch it? Its been nerfed so many times already. Probably more than every gun in the game. It's fine. if ccp nerf it again people will still cry. And it shows how bad and unorganized they are.
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FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
378
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Posted - 2013.08.07 00:05:00 -
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FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:lol increase the radius. You do know the blast radius gets as high as 8m with the assault variant. Anything greater than 3m blast radius is considered OP on a weapon you can spam. It's all the assault variant's fault, it's just too good. Same thing is happening to #lolForgeGuns. In any case blast radius has to be nerfed but keep damage the same.
-XOXO And again a dumb poster. forgrgun require a direct hit to kill. Please don't make dumb comments. Also the splash of the assault is 6. Just saying nice try
25% blast radius from Mass Driver skill. 6.6 * .25 + 6.6 = 8.25 meters. Assault lolForgeGun can be spammed so easily since it doesn't need to charge....
-XOXO
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Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
220
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Posted - 2013.08.07 00:08:00 -
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nerf all explosives or fix armor |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
2711
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Posted - 2013.08.07 00:09:00 -
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That would be terrible. It just takes away any point of practice, like with missiles.
I would rather see them just have a smaller splash radius, with higher splash damage. Rewards precision more. |
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
220
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Posted - 2013.08.07 00:11:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:That would be terrible. It just takes away any point of practice, like with missiles.
I would rather see them just have a smaller splash radius, with higher splash damage. Rewards precision more. ^^^this |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
862
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Posted - 2013.08.07 00:16:00 -
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XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote:fix armor This would be the way to go. |
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FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
111
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Posted - 2013.08.07 00:18:00 -
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FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: -XOXO
And again a dumb poster. forgrgun require a direct hit to kill. Please don't make dumb comments. Also the splash of the assault is 6. Just saying nice try [/quote]
25% blast radius from Mass Driver skill. 6.6 * .25 + 6.6 = 8.25 meters. Assault lolForgeGun can be spammed so easily since it doesn't need to charge....
-XOXO [/quote] People like you is pretty sad. Assault forge gun can be spammed? 4 shots per clip. Limited ammo. Doesn't need charge? It does need a charge you dumb ****. It just can't hold a charge, please know what you're talking about.. and yes thats only from the skill level. So you have to grind to get it to that point. Just saying. |
Smooth Assassin
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2013.08.07 00:20:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:....The mass driver keeps its current stats but is inaccurate?
As a MD lover and proponent I fear that a nerf will be around the corner, especially since so many have jumped on the bandwagon recently, making it seem OP, even though it is working as intended it's just not an AR.
If the explosive impact is reduced it will lose it's niche, so I propose the mass driver increase blast radius slightly, but be inaccurate at mid to long range. I don't say this lightly, I've gotten some wicked kills MD sniping those foolish enough to stand still. The MD itself is fairly accurate if you know how to shoot it, but it doesn't need to be to fill it's role. It could still be used for suppression and dominating choke points and lowpoints. It would be more deadly when used in CQC with the increased radius.
I personally love my mass driver and don't want to go to the post uprising levels, but they are being used much more frequently for too many situations and it worries me.
I've always said, do what you want with the damage but the splash radius needs to remain large in order to fill its niche as a terror and area denial weapon.
I don't want any MD nerf..... but if it is inevitable, please don't make it useless. LOL i am a shotgun and scrambler pistol user and i tried to kill a MD user and i accomplished few times but they always get me the other times |
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Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
220
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Posted - 2013.08.07 00:21:00 -
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I should use this 2x event to skill into the assdriver |
FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
378
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Posted - 2013.08.07 00:28:00 -
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FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:People like you is pretty sad. Assault forge gun can be spammed? 4 shots per clip. Limited ammo. Doesn't need charge? It does need a charge you dumb ****. It just can't hold a charge, please know what you're talking about.. and yes thats only from the skill level. So you have to grind to get it to that point. Just saying.
It doesn't need a charge dude. Just stfu you're putting Hellstorm's name to shame with your ignorance.
-XOXO
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FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
111
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Posted - 2013.08.07 00:29:00 -
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XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote:I should use this 2x event to skill into the assdriver Good I'll skill into the laser rifle. And wait for that to get nerfed too. |
FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
111
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Posted - 2013.08.07 00:31:00 -
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FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:People like you is pretty sad. Assault forge gun can be spammed? 4 shots per clip. Limited ammo. Doesn't need charge? It does need a charge you dumb ****. It just can't hold a charge, please know what you're talking about.. and yes thats only from the skill level. So you have to grind to get it to that point. Just saying. It doesn't need a charge dude. Just stfu you're putting Hellstorm's name to shame with your ignorance. -XOXO The assault forge gun does charge . It just fires as soon as it charges. It has like 2.5 charge time. Read the guns description now you stfu and stop crying about shyt. |
FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
111
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Posted - 2013.08.07 00:36:00 -
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Ishukone Assault Forge Gun
The Assault variant offers reduced charge time and increased damage but does not allow a charge to be stored
PREREQUISITES
Weaponry (1x) Level 5 Forge Gun Operation (2x) Level 5 Forge Gun Proficiency (5x) Level 1 ATTRIBUTES
Direct Damage 1512.0 HP Splash Damage 252.0 HP Blast Radius 3.0 meters Charge-Up Time 2.5 seconds Clip Size 4 Max. Ammo 16 Meta Level 8 FITTING
Slot Infantry Heavy Weapon CPU -á -á -á -á -á -á -á -á -á -á -á -á -á -á -á -á -á -á -á -á-á 102 PG 15 |
FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
378
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Posted - 2013.08.07 00:42:00 -
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FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:People like you is pretty sad. Assault forge gun can be spammed? 4 shots per clip. Limited ammo. Doesn't need charge? It does need a charge you dumb ****. It just can't hold a charge, please know what you're talking about.. and yes thats only from the skill level. So you have to grind to get it to that point. Just saying. It doesn't need a charge dude. Just stfu you're putting Hellstorm's name to shame with your ignorance. -XOXO The assault forge gun does charge . It just fires as soon as it charges. It has like 2.5 charge time. Read the guns description now you stfu and stop crying about shyt.
Ok lol it doesn't matter the 2.5 s charge is irrelevant and makes the weapon easily spammable. It's OP ok.
Actually charge gets as low as 1.8 seconds. lol no wonder why every gets easy kills with this thing.
-XOXO |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
938
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Posted - 2013.08.07 00:49:00 -
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lol, the assault variant can be spammed, yes, but has anybody even looked at it's specs? 159 direct damage and 76 for splash. Aside from annoying players, it really isn't that good, especially against proto tanked players and heavies. I've used the adv assault version quite a lot, and without a doubt the regular MD with it's slower firing rate, lower splash radius, but better damage is significantly more effective.
People actually need to use the MD before crying wolf. I am starting to venture outside the world of AR's, and it would be nice if I could find something other than the AR that doesn't suck and doesn't get nerfed into oblivion. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING
856
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Posted - 2013.08.07 00:50:00 -
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rest assured it's next conception is going to be worse than it ever was. |
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
468
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Posted - 2013.08.07 00:51:00 -
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wrote this in another post as well....
its my understanding that a mass driver is a crowd control weapon, it should have a large splash dmg radius with low direct dmg and be a mid to long range weapon.
users at the moment can shoot it almost directly at their feet to take out targets without killing themselves I think the splash dmg should be increased to prevent this
as a crowd control weapon it should not (even at proto level) be able to kill in 2-3 shots, I would suggest lowering its rate of fire by 1/3 and increasing its clip size. at proto level, instead of any dmg increase I think splash radius and rate of fire should be increased...
that's my 2 cents.... and yeah be prepared the nerf bat is coming, and the result will probably not be this sensible. |
FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
113
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Posted - 2013.08.07 00:51:00 -
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FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:People like you is pretty sad. Assault forge gun can be spammed? 4 shots per clip. Limited ammo. Doesn't need charge? It does need a charge you dumb ****. It just can't hold a charge, please w what you're talking about.. and yes thats only from the skill level. So you have to grind to get it to that point. Just saying. It doesn't need a charge dude. Just stfu you're putting Hellstorm's name to shame with your ignorance. -XOXO The assault forge gun does charge . It just fires as soon as it charges. It has like 2.5 charge time. Read the guns description now you stfu and stop crying about shyt. Ok lol it doesn't matter the 2.5 s charge is irrelevant and makes the weapon easily spammable. It's OP ok. Actually charge gets as low as 1.8 seconds. lol no wonder why every gets easy kills with this thing. -XOXO OP? You know I'm done scrubs like you annoy me so bad with all your bytching. Yet you ignore all of the draw backs that the gun has. Your only defence is "it ohk" yet you don't mention it takes more aim than a assault rifle. Yet you don't mention the fact that it cant hold a charge so you have to lead your shots unless it's not a moving target. Which in fact most kills by forge guns are people to stand long enough for me to aim charge and fire. Yet you don't mention how it has a low ammo count. Yet you don't mention it on a slow moving heavy which in that is self has even a longer list of draw back. Yet you don't mention it doesn't have a scope so you have to have pin point accuracy. You say spam? Lawl okay kiddo. If someone stays still long enough for me to fire a few rounds they deserve to die. Awaiting your dumb response |
FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
113
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Posted - 2013.08.07 00:55:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:wrote this in another post as well....
its my understanding that a mass driveeach is a crowd control weapon, it should have a large splash dmg radius with low direct dmg and be a mid to long range weapon.
users at the moment can shoot it almost directly at their feet to take out targets without killing themselves I think the splash dmg should be increased to prevent this
as a crowd control weapon it should not (even at proto level) be able to kill in 2-3 shots, I would suggest lowering its rate of fire by 1/3 and increasing its clip size. at proto level, instead of any dmg increase I thing splash radius and rate of fire should be increased...
that's my 2 cents.... and yeah be prepared the nerf bat is coming, and the result will probably not be this sensible.
Um this is false. Using the md cqc has major risk. You do take damage from it if you aim to close to yourself you will get hurt. |
FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
378
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Posted - 2013.08.07 00:58:00 -
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FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:People like you is pretty sad. Assault forge gun can be spammed? 4 shots per clip. Limited ammo. Doesn't need charge? It does need a charge you dumb ****. It just can't hold a charge, please w what you're talking about.. and yes thats only from the skill level. So you have to grind to get it to that point. Just saying. It doesn't need a charge dude. Just stfu you're putting Hellstorm's name to shame with your ignorance. -XOXO The assault forge gun does charge . It just fires as soon as it charges. It has like 2.5 charge time. Read the guns description now you stfu and stop crying about shyt. Ok lol it doesn't matter the 2.5 s charge is irrelevant and makes the weapon easily spammable. It's OP ok. Actually charge gets as low as 1.8 seconds. lol no wonder why every gets easy kills with this thing. -XOXO OP? You know I'm done scrubs like you annoy me so bad with all your bytching. Yet you ignore all of the draw backs that the gun has. Your only defence is "it ohk" yet you don't mention it takes more aim than a assault rifle. Yet you don't mention the fact that it cant hold a charge so you have to lead your shots unless it's not a moving target. Which in fact most kills by forge guns are people to stand long enough for me to aim charge and fire. Yet you don't mention how it has a low ammo count. Yet you don't mention it on a slow moving heavy which in that is self has even a longer list of draw back. Yet you don't mention it doesn't have a scope so you have to have pin point accuracy. You say spam? Lawl okay kiddo. If someone stays still long enough for me to fire a few rounds they deserve to die. Awaiting your dumb response
Stop being so naive. You know the gun is OP and it will be nerfed. You're only defending it because you're afraid your precious toy will be useless. Stop saying it has drawbacks because it has none that are significant. You know you laugh everytime you get the kill because of how easy and OP it is. And for destroying tanks you still use the assault variant when you're supposed to use the breach, because the assault is obviously better at everything.
-XOXO
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stlcarlos989
SVER True Blood
448
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Posted - 2013.08.07 00:59:00 -
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The mass driver round should have a minimum travel time before it can detonate, that way it can't be used for CQC unless its a direct hit. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING
856
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Posted - 2013.08.07 01:02:00 -
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FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:wrote this in another post as well....
its my understanding that a mass driveeach is a crowd control weapon, it should have a large splash dmg radius with low direct dmg and be a mid to long range weapon.
users at the moment can shoot it almost directly at their feet to take out targets without killing themselves I think the splash dmg should be increased to prevent this
as a crowd control weapon it should not (even at proto level) be able to kill in 2-3 shots, I would suggest lowering its rate of fire by 1/3 and increasing its clip size. at proto level, instead of any dmg increase I thing splash radius and rate of fire should be increased...
that's my 2 cents.... and yeah be prepared the nerf bat is coming, and the result will probably not be this sensible.
Um this is false. Using the md cqc has major risk. You do take damage from it if you aim to close to yourself you will get hurt.
yea i was gonna point this out also. there's a huge school of thought out there that goes around making this false claim. i personally run a 543 shield with my freedom, sorry my enemies are too stupid to skill into complex shield extenders. |
FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
113
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Posted - 2013.08.07 01:04:00 -
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FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:
Stop being so naive. You know the gun is OP and it will be nerfed. You're only defending it because you're afraid your precious toy will be useless. Stop saying it has drawbacks because it has none that are significant. You know you laugh everytime you get the kill because of how easy and OP it is. And for destroying tanks you still use the assault variant when you're supposed to use the breach, because the assault is obviously better at everything.
-XOXO
Lol you can't even hold a valid argument lol. Pathetic. And I'm supposed use the breach to kill tanks? You can't move at all with it lol. Again you really fail its so sad lol. Don't worry I'll find you and I'll kill you with the forge mass driver and every gun I own just to troll you.
Edit: almost no one use "breach" versions of weapons anyway. so stfu |
Vicious Minotaur
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
129
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Posted - 2013.08.07 01:43:00 -
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Hopefully the MD will be nerfed soon.
By that, I mean that the way explosive damage is handled needs to be changed, and armour needs to be fixed. Addressing both of those issues will act as a nerf to the MD. And hopefully, CCP will "nerf" the MD soon. |
Stile451
Red Star. EoN.
165
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Posted - 2013.08.07 01:44:00 -
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Why do you consider them spammable? 1 shot per second isn't exactly quick(not to mention the 4 second reload and only 18 shots). |
FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
113
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Posted - 2013.08.07 01:48:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:Hopefully the MD will be nerfed soon.
By that, I mean that the way explosive damage is handled needs to be changed, and armour needs to be fixed. Addressing both of those issues will act as a nerf to the MD. And hopefully, CCP will "nerf" the MD soon. Mass driver isn't the issue sir. |
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