DUSTSearch ForumWatch http://dustsearch.com/ The alternative DUST514 Forum browser. en-us Tue, 9 Sep 2025 00:00:00 +0000 DUSTSearch RSS Module v1.1 chribba@evemail <![CDATA[[Request] REASONABLE Respec option - by BOZ MR]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=620249#post620249 Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:
We already have a respec option.

Biomass your char and you will get a new one!

Yoou will also be able to skill again whatever you like!

Isn't that awesome?

Thats what I did with my first one.]]>
Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:49:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/408509
<![CDATA[[Request] REASONABLE Respec option - by Kray Dytt]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=620231#post620231 Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:43:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/408487 <![CDATA[[Request] REASONABLE Respec option - by Maken Tosch]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=620101#post620101 RINON114 wrote:

The tools might be there but not everybody knows how to use them. The way a respec should work is like when somebody retrains for a job they haven't done in years or even just a few months. For example:

Three months ago I started learning how to use a 3D application called Sketchup. I went through a few days of making stuff and watching tutorials then I had to leave it for a while to do something else. I went back to Sketchup a week ago and found that only the basic knowledge remained, none of the more advanced stuff because I didn't stick with it or learn it for long enough.

The same is true in Dust, if you learn a skill and don't use it you should be able to forget it in some capacity.


I see a problem with your analogy there.

In real life, when you retrain for a new profession, you never really forget what you already trained from your previous profession. It is with you for the rest of your life and the time you wasted training the old profession is forever gone and you will never get it back.

Take me for example. I have spent a good 5 years after high school training and working in Medical Office Administration (medical billing, managing appointments, etc.) along with what I have trained from being a Pharmacy Technician. But the profession didn't suit me anymore. So I am no cross training to become an aircraft mechanic with an Airframe & Powerplant License. It's a 2-year course I am studying and so far it's making me wonder "Why didn't I think of this before?"

But oh well, I lost a handful of years and I will never see them again and I still have medical knowledge and my old degree. So I look at it this way. If my new profession doesn't turn out too well, at least I have my old profession to fall back on in case the medical industry improves. So you see, not all is lost and I just get to wear more hats.]]>
Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:05:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/408402
<![CDATA[[Request] REASONABLE Respec option - by Charlotte O'Dell]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=619732#post619732 Shledder wrote:
By EVE lore i meant the argument of "well EVE doesn't let you do it" or "this is New Eden; there are no respecs." Pokey, what you described was what I was referring to self-actualization: the mentality of "I want something that challenges myself." In this case, some people like being challenged to learn all the mechanics of the game and figuring out full game play for how they will spend every skill point; others (like myself) don't like the opportunity cost of such planning.

To further my point on that whole spiel, if you don't want to respec and take pride in never using a respec, by all means do that. Now ask yourself this question: "If others are allowed to respec, will it put me at a disadvantage?" Under the system I proposed, I don't believe it would.

On a side note, you say you want video games to reflect real life. This I don't believe I will ever understand. I play video games to escape reality and enjoy the freedom they bring, but that's off topic...


Everybody gets one respec.]]>
Fri, 15 Mar 2013 15:03:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/408109
<![CDATA[[Request] REASONABLE Respec option - by pegasis prime]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=619376#post619376 Fri, 15 Mar 2013 12:20:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/407824 <![CDATA[[Request] REASONABLE Respec option - by Django Quik]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=619358#post619358
Also, sidearm sharpshooter is awesome, especially if your primary is AV or shotgun with pants range.]]>
Fri, 15 Mar 2013 12:12:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/407804
<![CDATA[[Request] REASONABLE Respec option - by RINON114]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=619306#post619306 Django Quik wrote:
All respec ideas are stupid and will never ever happen. There's not even a point in discussing this to death again because it's just not going to happen. Period.

Now what could be cool would be a learning boost system like in EvE - once a year/6 months/monthly (up for debate) you get to select a specific set of skills that you'd like to focus on and the SP cost for all of them is lowered but the SP cost for everything else is raised. This way if you balls up by speccing into something you don't use/want, you can quickly recoup your losses by speccing into the thing you've decided you do want.

However, the BIG point here that should be noted by EVERYONE is that there are no useless skills. You may wish you hadn't put all 350k of your starter SP into grenades but once you've got some of your other skills up too, that suddenly becomes awesome.

Sounds fair to me.

However, there are skills I would rather not have such as swarm launcher 1 (part of the heavy starter I believe) or even some that I chose including SMG sharpshooter and unfortunately 40k of SP is quite a few matches, 6 or 7 games of skirmish and I don't get that much time to play 2 or 3 matches a day, never mind twice that and I'm certain there are others in this ship.]]>
Fri, 15 Mar 2013 11:45:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/407750
<![CDATA[[Request] REASONABLE Respec option - by Django Quik]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=619264#post619264
Now what could be cool would be a learning boost system like in EvE - once a year/6 months/monthly (up for debate) you get to select a specific set of skills that you'd like to focus on and the SP cost for all of them is lowered but the SP cost for everything else is raised. This way if you balls up by speccing into something you don't use/want, you can quickly recoup your losses by speccing into the thing you've decided you do want.

However, the BIG point here that should be noted by EVERYONE is that there are no useless skills. You may wish you hadn't put all 350k of your starter SP into grenades but once you've got some of your other skills up too, that suddenly becomes awesome.]]>
Fri, 15 Mar 2013 11:27:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/407716
<![CDATA[[Request] REASONABLE Respec option - by Pokey Dravon]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=619172#post619172 Fri, 15 Mar 2013 10:15:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/407715 <![CDATA[[Request] REASONABLE Respec option - by Shledder]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=619163#post619163
To further my point on that whole spiel, if you don't want to respec and take pride in never using a respec, by all means do that. Now ask yourself this question: "If others are allowed to respec, will it put me at a disadvantage?" Under the system I proposed, I don't believe it would.

On a side note, you say you want video games to reflect real life. This I don't believe I will ever understand. I play video games to escape reality and enjoy the freedom they bring, but that's off topic...]]>
Fri, 15 Mar 2013 10:11:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/407641
<![CDATA[[Request] REASONABLE Respec option - by Pokey Dravon]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=619148#post619148 Fri, 15 Mar 2013 09:51:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/407621 <![CDATA[[Request] REASONABLE Respec option - by Shledder]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=619138#post619138
An example: A player has earned 3 million SP and it is their 4th time respecing. This means they will be forfeiting 256,000 SP for this respec plus the other 3 (98,000). This means our player who has earned a lifetime SP of 3 million will be refunded 2,636,000 SP; the other 354,000 SP will be in a nonrecoverable "Sunk Cost" SP tier.

I believe this is a fair middle ground in the debate of respec vs no respec since it allows players a few respecs (1,000 SP isn't too big of a loss), while at the same time discouraging players from respecing (respecing 8 times would total 8,772,000 SP in sunk costs).]]>
Fri, 15 Mar 2013 09:42:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/407616
<![CDATA[[Request] REASONABLE Respec option - by Django Quik]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=619107#post619107 Fri, 15 Mar 2013 09:12:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/407590 <![CDATA[[Request] REASONABLE Respec option - by Pokey Dravon]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=619060#post619060
But in short, no, respeccing should simply not happen, regardless of how costly it is. New Eden is a world of consequences, some minor and some major, but you should always have to live with the choices you make. It's a harsh and cruel world, but that's what makes it great.]]>
Fri, 15 Mar 2013 08:48:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/407554
<![CDATA[[Request] REASONABLE Respec option - by RINON114]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=619048#post619048 Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:
We already have a respec option.

Biomass your char and you will get a new one!

Yoou will also be able to skill again whatever you like!

Isn't that awesome?

And lose all your skill points? Awesome is not the word that comes to mind.]]>
Fri, 15 Mar 2013 08:40:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/407536
<![CDATA[[Request] REASONABLE Respec option - by Martin0 Brancaleone]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=618975#post618975
Biomass your char and you will get a new one!

Yoou will also be able to skill again whatever you like!

Isn't that awesome?]]>
Fri, 15 Mar 2013 07:22:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/407187
<![CDATA[[Request] REASONABLE Respec option - by RINON114]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=618930#post618930 Maken Tosch wrote:
Gunnut88 wrote:
KalOfTheRathi wrote:
No.

This is New Eden. You live with your decisions. They have consequences. Think. Then Act.




That is why I suggested it the way I did so that it is not spammable and requires some serious thinking before it could be used. The lack of information about specific skills and what they do as well as a lack of information on the core skills means alot of people don't have enough info on how to build a toon that will work for them long term. This would allow those people to repair some of the damage done.


I am so sick and tired of this whole 'we weren't well informed' excuse. All the tools are there. The forums, the community third-party bloggers, the local channel, etc. if you don't bother to ask first which skill to invest in and you go in blindly spending SP away, it's your damn fault. I live with my mistakes. Hell, I have invested SP into skills that many folks here see as useless but I don't complain nor make a thread asking for an undo button.

Choices must be meaningful and in order to do that you need permanent consequences regardless if you were informed or not. The only time CCP may allow a respec even once is if anything drastic was changed. What you are proposing is an option to respec

No. I don't approve.

The tools might be there but not everybody knows how to use them. The way a respec should work is like when somebody retrains for a job they haven't done in years or even just a few months. For example:

Three months ago I started learning how to use a 3D application called Sketchup. I went through a few days of making stuff and watching tutorials then I had to leave it for a while to do something else. I went back to Sketchup a week ago and found that only the basic knowledge remained, none of the more advanced stuff because I didn't stick with it or learn it for long enough.

The same is true in Dust, if you learn a skill and don't use it you should be able to forget it in some capacity.]]>
Fri, 15 Mar 2013 06:34:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/407186
<![CDATA[[Request] REASONABLE Respec option - by Maken Tosch]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=618825#post618825 Gunnut88 wrote:
KalOfTheRathi wrote:
No.

This is New Eden. You live with your decisions. They have consequences. Think. Then Act.




That is why I suggested it the way I did so that it is not spammable and requires some serious thinking before it could be used. The lack of information about specific skills and what they do as well as a lack of information on the core skills means alot of people don't have enough info on how to build a toon that will work for them long term. This would allow those people to repair some of the damage done.


I am so sick and tired of this whole 'we weren't well informed' excuse. All the tools are there. The forums, the community third-party bloggers, the local channel, etc. if you don't bother to ask first which skill to invest in and you go in blindly spending SP away, it's your damn fault. I live with my mistakes. Hell, I have invested SP into skills that many folks here see as useless but I don't complain nor make a thread asking for an undo button.

Choices must be meaningful and in order to do that you need permanent consequences regardless if you were informed or not. The only time CCP may allow a respec even once is if anything drastic was changed. What you are proposing is an option to respec

No. I don't approve.]]>
Fri, 15 Mar 2013 04:57:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/407185
<![CDATA[[Request] REASONABLE Respec option - by Vermaak Doe]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=618824#post618824 Fri, 15 Mar 2013 04:55:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/407184 <![CDATA[[Request] REASONABLE Respec option - by Wojciak]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=618634#post618634 Fri, 15 Mar 2013 03:00:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/407183 <![CDATA[[Request] REASONABLE Respec option - by Gunnut88]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=618629#post618629 Mobius Wyvern wrote:
The only thing worse than having a respec option to begin with is suggesting that it should only be sold for AURUM. It took us months to shut the P2W crowd up, and I don't want them having more ammunition to start bitching again.

This system is fine as it is. Just make your SP related decisions wisely and not impulsively.




Unfortunately not alot of people use the forums or were able to login to forums when they first started playing in order to ask questions. I know when I first started when i tried to login to the forums it always took me to EVE free trial page. This would allow those who now know better about the skills to more fine tune their build for perhaps much better performance. This would in no way be P2W because skill would still win out.]]>
Fri, 15 Mar 2013 02:57:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/407182
<![CDATA[[Request] REASONABLE Respec option - by Prestor Moan]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=618615#post618615 Fri, 15 Mar 2013 02:53:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/407181 <![CDATA[[Request] REASONABLE Respec option - by Gunnut88]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=618606#post618606 Vermaak Doe wrote:
Talk about pay to use the FOTM



The way I suggested it would very much limit FOTM with the high price and once or twice per toon or even per account.]]>
Fri, 15 Mar 2013 02:50:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/407180
<![CDATA[[Request] REASONABLE Respec option - by Mobius Wyvern]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=618530#post618530
This system is fine as it is. Just make your SP related decisions wisely and not impulsively.]]>
Fri, 15 Mar 2013 02:15:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/407179
<![CDATA[[Request] REASONABLE Respec option - by Vermaak Doe]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=618517#post618517 Fri, 15 Mar 2013 02:09:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/407178 <![CDATA[[Request] REASONABLE Respec option - by Gunnut88]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=618508#post618508 KalOfTheRathi wrote:
No.

This is New Eden. You live with your decisions. They have consequences. Think. Then Act.




That is why I suggested it the way I did so that it is not spammable and requires some serious thinking before it could be used. The lack of information about specific skills and what they do as well as a lack of information on the core skills means alot of people don't have enough info on how to build a toon that will work for them long term. This would allow those people to repair some of the damage done.]]>
Fri, 15 Mar 2013 02:05:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/407177
<![CDATA[[Request] REASONABLE Respec option - by Reav Hannari]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=618475#post618475 KalOfTheRathi wrote:
No.

This is New Eden. You live with your decisions. They have consequences. Think. Then Act.


+1. It's about commitment.
]]>
Fri, 15 Mar 2013 01:51:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/407176
<![CDATA[[Request] REASONABLE Respec option - by KalOfTheRathi]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=618331#post618331
This is New Eden. You live with your decisions. They have consequences. Think. Then Act.]]>
Fri, 15 Mar 2013 00:54:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/407175
<![CDATA[[Request] REASONABLE Respec option - by Gunnut88]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=618314#post618314 Fri, 15 Mar 2013 00:50:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/407174