I'm seriously getting tired of these "Down with milly vehicles!" threads.

Dust is going to have a War Point system where you have to do stuff (get kills, hack stuff) to get points that you then spend to call in a vehicle. Milly tank spam will cease to exist as we know it.

Also, I roll in a Madrugar and eviscerate militia vehicles. It really isn't a big deal.

Militia vehicles give the newcomers something to drive around feeling powerful. Let them drive. It really isn't hard to take them down, and there won't be so many of them come launch. They shouldn't have to pay for them, and they provide a good fallback for more experienced players who don't want to drop a 100k HAV on the battlefield for one reason or another. If you don't like it, hit em with a SL round or two, problem solved.

For now, yes, it can be irritating when there are six noobtanks. But it won't be that way moving forward.

Thanks to the introduction of milita vehicles, this beta has become hugely vehicle dominated,where in the other build it was more about infantry with vehicles being a extra additions to the battlefield that could change the tide of a match but now everyone has a game changer. I really dont like,i really dont; cause i seen this trend in other games and they end up with shallow gameplay as a result.

CCP did say in a demo video when someone jumped out of a drop ship without leaving anyone to pilot it to safety that you would never want to do that "in game." As drop ships would be hard won assets and it woud hurt you to lose one just letting it crash and burn.

On the other hand it makes absolutely no sense to send a pilot/ driver into battle unless they know what they're doing. At least a little.

What if after going through the tutorial you could take a low level NPC contract, and the game could frame it so it was more like the NPC client was buying the mercs a set amount of gear to complete the mission. You would still be fighting other players, but there would be in game context to make it make sense that militia level players were being given some stuff to practice with.

It's a beta. Millitia stuff is free BPO to let people test out stuff before the game is released. The more people use vehicles the better they will be tested, and maybe the controlls will finally get fixed. Gas/breaks/turning under one stick is just madness.

There should just be a fairly low price tag. So that the average player in a newbie suit would feel comfortable losing 2-3 militia vehicles in a match and not be hemorrhaging ISK.

This way new players get to find out if they like to be vehicle drivers or ground pounders better and can train accordingly.

If you never get to do it, or do it and lose tons of money from it, then you are less likely to train for those skills. Then you might miss out on a really good aspect of the gameplay experience.

I'm fine with the way vehicles are now, I just don't like that there are militia vehicles. The whole point of, say, the HAV is that it's a beast, and it tears up the enemy while weathering massive amounts of enemy fire. But if people couldn't get BPO's for vehicles, they would have to think about whether or not they want to risk losing their 100,000 ISK death machine, and thus you'd only see them come out when the owner really needs them.

Because tutorials really provide that much information for the player...just ask anyone that's done the EVE tutorials and then tried to go do some pvp based solely on that knowledge.

I agree, there should be training courses or even full fledged tutorials on all aspects of the game, but knowing how to do something doesn't necessarily prepare you for actually doing it. Seriously, I've played close to a thousand hours of flight sims, does that qualify me to fly a real plane? No, it does not.

Being able to play with disposable vehicles will teach a player things that a tutorial could never do.

Virtual training. They could pay 5,000 isk to take a tank driving lesson. Or the lessons could be free! once you train up one level of vehicle command or what ever it is called.

Okay, how do you expect someone to get the necessary practice driving tanks? Do you really expect them to pay 100k every time they need to learn a difficult lesson?

Yes.

Yes there is.

Buy a "moderately expensive BPO" and you have the vehicle whenever you want it. Forever. At no cost.

In the short term, it's a small difference. In the long term, it's HUGE.

A Militia vehicle BPO that costs significantly less than a single-use vehicle with better stats is just blatantly stupid. It's not as powerful, but if 5 players spend the same amount on Militia tanks and other gear as you spent on your Prototype Tank, you're still outnumbered and outgunned, and probably going to die.

There's no difference between 'cheap, disposable, one shot purchases' and a moderately expensive BPO.