All that would happen with a change like the op suggests is it would make tankers change their engagement range. Even without a fuel injector I can get away in a maddy.

If I couldn't, then I'd wear an assault suit while tanking and pop my hardeners then hop out and kill his ass. Not running away would only make me shoot at range from near cover.

The other thing that would happen is suicide jeeps would become more of a problem, for noobs, if tank mobility was reduced.

If infantry av is good at forcing a tank to leave. Of you want proper defense, or simply want to keep tanks away for longer periods, then use proxi explosives

A Madrugar can easily outspeed the turnrate of the Gunnlogi, and if Madrugars could turn better, it would do it even easier.

A Madrugar can easily outspeed the turnrate of the Gunnlogi, and if Madrugars could turn better, it would do it even easier.

Quite the opposite, a rail Gunnlogi can easily pirouette to keep someone in their sights, making movement pointless. Better just to have both tanks sit still and see who has the better build.

Positioning falls apart when both units are moving to dodge each other. Having HAV's that can weave around very well allows for turrets with range profiles to make much more sense within their profiles tbh. A rail at range works much better at range because it can still easily track the HAV at range, but up close the rail won't do so well, because it can't track it.

If your issue is that you can't track something up close with a rail, but the blaster can track you, well, why in the **** are you using a rail up close?

If you expect me to be slow then i expect 180plates back, buff to extenders and plates, buff to small turrets to they can actually kill, buff to base HP, working boosters and active armor reps etc.

So 3 Lai dai can deal 5.5k in less than 3seconds, swarms can easily deal 5k damage per clip if not more, AFG a good 4k in a clip, PLC slower but 1500 i think? RE being 3k from a scout or easily 10k+ from a JLAV

So in a worst case scenario my HAV needs to have about 25k EHP at least when warmed up and really needs 15k when cold at a base minmium.

Ye i can't see AV liking that.


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Turn speed + turret turn speed = boring tank fights where everyone can shoot anything no matter how fast it turns... If anything the Gunni's turn speed should be nerfed to that of the Maddi... So that positioning actually counts for something in close combat, rather than "my turret hits more than yours and is always pointing at you, no matter how fast you go around me."

Could just drop the turn speed of large turrets, then tracking infantry would be hell with it, making it less easy.

Make a tanky tank that can turn fast, but not run away fast, you will just end up with it soaking up damage while it blaps everything around it that isn't permanently in cover.

I actually meant to buff the turn speed. Editing OP now.

I actually meant to buff the turn speed. Editing OP now.

I actually meant meantmeant to mean buff the turn speed. Editing OP now.

I have some qualms about nerfing turn speed specifically. At the very least on the Madrugar, the turn speed already feels incredibly clunky which is partially due to poor turn speed and the fact that the control scheme on controllers for HAVs is.....well utter ****. Essentially on the controller, it's impossible to turn at 100% speed due to the nature of how the controller works and often doesn't work properly if you try to push the threshold of turning which means you often take turns even slower.

My point is, the clunky turning of HAVs is really bad as it is, and I would absolutely hate if it was even worse. If Rattati wants to mess with an HAV's ability to escape, change acceleration, top speed, and inertia, but not turn speed.