Doing it wrong: brick tanked scouts and shotgun are an easy kill, unless they got you from behind. The real bad thing are Gallente Brick tanked Gal scouts with a complex dampener, cloak and a Combat Rifle.

I apologize for hurting your feelings. I will refrain from commenting on anything, in the forums, you say from now on.

Have a nice day.

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I apologize for hurting your feelings. I will refrain from commenting on anything, in the forums, you say from now on.

Have a nice day.

I hate that people are using the shotgun now I been shotgunning back at when uprising came out and there were a few shotgunner back then, but now they are made me hate my favorite weapon

He does have a point, though. Assuming he's using a medium frame, he would not have seen a scout running behind him on his radar, nor would he on his frontal view (obviously). This enables the scouts to place a shot or two behind their target.

What the cloak does, is give a broken amount of dampning to your dB so you can hide from scanners fairly easily. As for hiding from your eyes, well, that's a different story. I'll say that the medium was moving for example's sake. If the Scout was moving IN FRONT of the medium, there might've been a chance of the medium spotting him, but losing track if the Scout goes behind an object, rendering him out of sight. The medium would not know where the Scout would come out of next. Now, if the Scout was standing still, chances are very slim that the medium would spot him. You need to be very focused and have a good enough television to notice the difference between the background and the invisibility shroud.

Point is, if the Scout stayed out of sight and shot him in the back, that meant he knew how to get there and how to avoid detection with or without cloak.

I tried brick-tanking a cloaked shotgun scout. I died a lot.

Guess these dudes got more skill than me.

How many people have been shot in the back or side from a Shotgun? This requires no skill from the player only a cloak.

Pity that as a newbie you won't have the SP to equip those counters until you grind for 6 months.

What larger level of info? My argument is based upon the actual stats of the weapons, almost two years of experience as well as testing both weapons on alts with created to only skill into the two weapons (so there were no other supporting skills clouding my observations). How does your own hugely unquantified and completely subjective opinion even come close to countering what I have posted? What "larger level of info" do you have that I and the rest of the DUST514 community don't have access too?

As I neglected to include all of the info I used to compare the two weapons, your surface level analysis might be correct. I do not agree with your analysis though, based on my larger level of info.

Thank you for the comment though.

All that really proves is that you are better with the RR. The RR has a much lower RoF a lower DPS and only a slightly better range than the CR leaving the CR as the more powerful weapon in a vast majority of situations. Only in the 95 m plus ranges is the RR the better gun. Glad you finally found a weapon that suits your play style.

No, he doesn't. I do fairly well solo.

He needs to figure out how to choose his fights. If you see certain corps stacked on the opposite team, leave. If you're not having fun, leave. Joined a late match on the losing side? Leave.

It's not that hard. I do it all the time.

Then there is the lack of skill required in using a rail rifle. I setup two fittings - identical except for the weapon - standard rail rifle and standard combat rifle. My kill ratio for rail rifle was/is easily 3x higher than with the combat rifle.

Honestly, I enjoyed pre-cloak shotgunning more than our current shotgunning. I can't speak for all scouts, but in my opinion stalking players was more fun when it was 100% "skill" based. Not to imply that the cloak is "skill-less", but it is considerably easier to close the gap with a cloak.

I find using our new EQ slot for RE/nanohive combos much more fun and useful than using it for a cloak. It works better with my playstyle.

I personally don't have a huge issue with cloaks. They could use careful tweaking, but irrational nerfs will do more damage than good. This is something the community in general has still not learned.

Sometimes it isn't the game that needs balancing.
It's that your skill level is lower than other peoples.

I'm not trying to be a **** , but I hear complaints all the time about, gear, lagging, weapon balance, and fits towards the enemy.
I confront the enemy and they have tremendous skill.

I know some players exploit any advantage they can, but it's not the majority.

Some players are badasses.

Oooooh, you're such an e-badass, I bet your name in real life is John Connor. When the machine Uprising comes you can lead the human race to victory based on your mad warfare skills developed by playing Dust and reading the Art of War (Readers Digest, Abridged version), twice.

I was actually musing, just the other day: what if there were an animation that takes place when exiting (and entering) a vehicle?

For an HAV, for example, a hatch would open, and the merc would be climb out, rather than instantly appearing next to the vehicle, like they do now.

The heavier the suit worn, the more cumbersome, and the longer it would take to climb out. Of course, the player would be vulnerable and unable to defend themselves until completely free from the vehicle.

Ever watch a really fat guy trying to get into/out of a small car? Something like that.

Just something I was thinking about.

OP,

I bet you are of the generation that got a trophy for last place too, am I right?

Find something to counter your problems with. The game offers a plethora of choices all designed to give you the ability to counter.

Oooooh, you're such an e-badass, I bet your name in real life is John Connor. When the machine Uprising comes you can lead the human race to victory based on your mad warfare skills developed by playing Dust and reading the Art of War (Readers Digest, Abridged version), twice.

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Scouts with cloaks and shottys
Scouts with cloaks and CR
Amarr heavies
Gal heavies
Ads
Tanks

If you aren't in any of these categories biomass yourself

This will not get fixed anytime soon so do yourself a favor and leave like the thousands that have already



Also be ready for a bunch of trolls and people that use it try and convince you that it's a balance mechanic

P.s this is possibly the dumbest defense of cloak shottys I've ever seen

But there are newbies who step in who takes a licking and keep on fighting. They don't say "oh, the guy shot me in the back and that takes no skill". You didn't watch your six, so that's lacking in your skill. War isn't about a "fair fight" and gentlemen's rules. Especially in New Eden. You have to be cunning, ruthless, and aware. We are mercenaries. Fairness and mercenaries don't go together. So you might take this wrong way but you shouldn't...in this case you should really HTFU.

War is never pretty. There are no referees in battle.

Then there is the lack of skill required in using a rail rifle. I setup two fittings - identical except for the weapon - standard rail rifle and standard combat rifle. My kill ratio for rail rifle was/is easily 3x higher than with the combat rifle.

How many people have been shot in the back or side from a Shotgun? This requires no skill from the player only a cloak.

Scouts with cloaks and shottys
Scouts with cloaks and CR
Amarr heavies
Gal heavies
Ads
Tanks

If you aren't in any of these categories biomass yourself

This will not get fixed anytime soon so do yourself a favor and leave like the thousands that have already



Also be ready for a bunch of trolls and people that use it try and convince you that it's a balance mechanic

I am a newbie.

you need a squad

I read the first sentence and laughed, if someone with a cloak is able to sneak up behind you and shotgun you in the back... Hmmm, yea, thats sort of the point. He wouldn't have needed the cloak to do so.

You say its poor gameplay, but in fact its pure skill to sneak up behind someone and kill them. It takes strategy, positioning, awareness, anticipation, and of course map knowledge to do so. You sir, by getting killed from behind demonstrate the lack of skill and awareness and then poor sportsmanship by complaining about it.

You seem to criticize the cloak for aiding him, but for a cloak to matter you would have had to had a chance to view him, and in the case where a scout sneaks up behind you.. Well you sir would not have seen him and therefore its a skillful play. Cloaks have serious problem, but you fail to make a valid point about their use in this case.

Not even gonna bother criticizing the rest, but the goal of a scout should be the attacking from behind. If you can't understand that, i don't see how addressing the other issues matters.

Pity that as a newbie you won't have the SP to equip those counters until you grind for 6 months.

OP,

I bet you are of the generation that got a trophy for last place too, am I right?

Find something to counter your problems with. The game offers a plethora of choices all designed to give you the ability to counter.

I tried brick-tanking a cloaked shotgun scout. I died a lot.

Guess these dudes got more skill than me.

I like having an HMG inside my rail tank xD