DUST Search - Interesting article pertaining to Free To Play games

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

Protocake JR wrote:

[url]http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/29/why-core-gamers-hate-free-to-play[/url]

TL;DR at the bottom

Not all the points concern Dust, currently, but I think the main thing to understand is the stigma of F2P games have created for themselves.

Taking a look at the comment section can give you an idea of what the IGN audience thinks of F2P.

Taking a look at our forums and player counts can also give you an idea of what a large portion of the playerbase thinks of this F2P game.

It seems if CCP wants to ever achieve more than 10,000 active players online, they need to consider focusing on other outlets to monetize. Take a look at other popular F2P games and see what they have done to earn trust from their large player bases. People love to customize (probably the most noble way of monetizing) and people love skipping the grind (a slightly less noble way of monetizing).
But here is the thing...

If i'm paying for active and passive boosters, it shouldn't take me 3 months to mostly max out ONE role. The last thing I want to do is pay for more boosters and start over with a new role so that in 6 months, I'll have a grand total of TWO roles. Woopee.
In Dust 514, the grind is large and the content rewards are small. The only reason it takes 7 years to unlock every skill is because you held back the content behind an incredibly large grind/pay wall. NOT because you have 7 years worth of content. If you are afraid of players ditching the game after 6 months like any other COD/BF game all I have to say is this: You better start working on shelling out real MMO worthy content. To keep AUR players like me from maxing out a role then saying, "Now what... What?

" from leaving, consider treating us a little better and actually significantly reduce the ridiculous amount of grinding we STILL have to do. Those Omega boosters should be the new standard boosters.

TL;DR: **** you it's not that long.

>2013
>Reading IGN

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Protocake JR Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 309	Posted - 2013.07.30 14:50:00 - [1] - Quote [url]http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/29/why-core-gamers-hate-free-to-play[/url] TL;DR at the bottom Not all the points concern Dust, currently, but I think the main thing to understand is the stigma of F2P games have created for themselves. Taking a look at the comment section can give you an idea of what the IGN audience thinks of F2P. Taking a look at our forums and player counts can also give you an idea of what a large portion of the playerbase thinks of this F2P game. It seems if CCP wants to ever achieve more than 10,000 active players online, they need to consider focusing on other outlets to monetize. Take a look at other popular F2P games and see what they have done to earn trust from their large player bases. People love to customize (probably the most noble way of monetizing) and people love skipping the grind (a slightly less noble way of monetizing). But here is the thing... If i'm paying for active and passive boosters, it shouldn't take me 3 months to mostly max out ONE role. The last thing I want to do is pay for more boosters and start over with a new role so that in 6 months, I'll have a grand total of TWO roles. Woopee. In Dust 514, the grind is large and the content rewards are small. The only reason it takes 7 years to unlock every skill is because you held back the content behind an incredibly large grind/pay wall. NOT because you have 7 years worth of content. If you are afraid of players ditching the game after 6 months like any other COD/BF game all I have to say is this: You better start working on shelling out real MMO worthy content. To keep AUR players like me from maxing out a role then saying, "Now what..." from leaving, consider treating us a little better and actually significantly reduce the ridiculous amount of grinding we STILL have to do. Those Omega boosters should be the new standard boosters. TL;DR: **** you it's not that long.
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 466	Posted - 2013.07.30 15:09:00 - [2] - Quote TBH, most commenters AND the author himself didn't even acknowledge EvE, where you can pay for game time with ISK, which skews the situation even further
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 394	Posted - 2013.07.30 15:11:00 - [3] - Quote Dota2 Yeah good article, particularly on micro-transactions breaking the immersion/escapism.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2257	Posted - 2013.07.30 15:13:00 - [4] - Quote tl;dr ;)
Protocake JR Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 311	Posted - 2013.07.30 15:16:00 - [5] - Quote RuckingFetard wrote: TBH, most commenters AND the author himself didn't even acknowledge EvE, where you can pay for game time with ISK, which skews the situation even further Well, EvE has built it's own little subscription/f2p unique hybrid model but it is definitely not your average F2P business model.
Protocake JR Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 311	Posted - 2013.07.30 15:17:00 - [6] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: tl;dr ;) **** you.
LongLostLust Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 100	Posted - 2013.07.30 15:21:00 - [7] - Quote For those players that paid for boosters whom are now maxed in their roles and stop paying for boosters. I have a solution. Respecs for AUR limited to once every 90 days. CCP gets more money from these players. Gets money from those like me who haven't spent a dime but would love a respec. Money from new players who finally have figured out the game and now want to spend their sp more appropriately. Respec for AUR in 1.4!
Protocake JR Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 312	Posted - 2013.07.30 15:35:00 - [8] - Quote LongLostLust wrote: For those players that paid for boosters whom are now maxed in their roles and stop paying for boosters. I have a solution. Respecs for AUR limited to once every 90 days. CCP gets more money from these players. Gets money from those like me who haven't spent a dime but would love a respec. Money from new players who finally have figured out the game and now want to spend their sp more appropriately. Respec for AUR in 1.4! I'll have a drink to that!
Vavilia Lysenko Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 203	Posted - 2013.07.30 15:39:00 - [9] - Quote Quote: Taking a look at our forums and player counts can also give you an idea of what a large portion of the playerbase thinks of this F2P game. It is not a large proportion of the playerbase or forum users. It is a small vocal minority and their alts.
Sylwester Dziewiecki BetaMax. 129	Posted - 2013.07.30 15:47:00 - [10] - Quote If someone is "(...)maxed in their roles and stop paying for boosters." why would he want to pay for "Respecs for AUR limited to once every 90 days. CCP gets more money from these players."

Protocake JR Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 314	Posted - 2013.07.30 15:49:00 - [11] - Quote Vavilia Lysenko wrote: Quote: Taking a look at our forums and player counts can also give you an idea of what a large portion of the playerbase thinks of this F2P game. It is not a large proportion of the playerbase or forum users. It is a small vocal minority and their alts. I'm going to go ahead and take a wild guess that.... you did not read the article, you are completely oblivious to the pathetically low playerbase, and that... you are completely unaware that the vocal majority have abandoned this game ******* fanboys, I swear.
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 558	Posted - 2013.07.30 16:01:00 - [12] - Quote Long-term indirect monetization through EVE Plex purchases could be achieved through enabling player-created, eve-side-meaningful Dust contracts.... would create an EvE-side ISK sink and encourage plex purchase. Small, but it's a possibility.
commando biffle Shadow Company HQ 6	Posted - 2013.07.30 16:06:00 - [13] - Quote LongLostLust wrote: For those players that paid for boosters whom are now maxed in their roles and stop paying for boosters. I have a solution. Respecs for AUR limited to once every 90 days. CCP gets more money from these players. Gets money from those like me who haven't spent a dime but would love a respec. Money from new players who finally have figured out the game and now want to spend their sp more appropriately. Respec for AUR in 1.4! +1
LongLostLust Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 102	Posted - 2013.07.30 22:46:00 - [14] - Quote Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: If someone is "(...)maxed in their roles and stop paying for boosters." why would he want to pay for "Respecs for AUR limited to once every 90 days. CCP gets more money from these players." Because they are bored with their current build and don't want to grind for three more months to try another.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 2738	Posted - 2013.07.31 00:11:00 - [15] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: [url]http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/29/why-core-gamers-hate-free-to-play[/url] TL;DR at the bottom Not all the points concern Dust, currently, but I think the main thing to understand is the stigma of F2P games have created for themselves. Taking a look at the comment section can give you an idea of what the IGN audience thinks of F2P. Taking a look at our forums and player counts can also give you an idea of what a large portion of the playerbase thinks of this F2P game. It seems if CCP wants to ever achieve more than 10,000 active players online, they need to consider focusing on other outlets to monetize. Take a look at other popular F2P games and see what they have done to earn trust from their large player bases. People love to customize (probably the most noble way of monetizing) and people love skipping the grind (a slightly less noble way of monetizing). But here is the thing... If i'm paying for active and passive boosters, it shouldn't take me 3 months to mostly max out ONE role. The last thing I want to do is pay for more boosters and start over with a new role so that in 6 months, I'll have a grand total of TWO roles. Woopee. In Dust 514, the grind is large and the content rewards are small. The only reason it takes 7 years to unlock every skill is because you held back the content behind an incredibly large grind/pay wall. NOT because you have 7 years worth of content. If you are afraid of players ditching the game after 6 months like any other COD/BF game all I have to say is this: You better start working on shelling out real MMO worthy content. To keep AUR players like me from maxing out a role then saying, "Now what..." from leaving, consider treating us a little better and actually significantly reduce the ridiculous amount of grinding we STILL have to do. Those Omega boosters should be the new standard boosters. TL;DR: **** you it's not that long. >2013 >Reading IGN
Michael Arck sephiroth clones D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 427	Posted - 2013.07.31 00:14:00 - [16] - Quote Then its the other guys who saying that F2P or freemium is a threat.
Protocake JR Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 325	Posted - 2013.07.31 00:33:00 - [17] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Protocake JR wrote: [url]http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/29/why-core-gamers-hate-free-to-play[/url] TL;DR at the bottom Not all the points concern Dust, currently, but I think the main thing to understand is the stigma of F2P games have created for themselves. Taking a look at the comment section can give you an idea of what the IGN audience thinks of F2P. Taking a look at our forums and player counts can also give you an idea of what a large portion of the playerbase thinks of this F2P game. It seems if CCP wants to ever achieve more than 10,000 active players online, they need to consider focusing on other outlets to monetize. Take a look at other popular F2P games and see what they have done to earn trust from their large player bases. People love to customize (probably the most noble way of monetizing) and people love skipping the grind (a slightly less noble way of monetizing). But here is the thing... If i'm paying for active and passive boosters, it shouldn't take me 3 months to mostly max out ONE role. The last thing I want to do is pay for more boosters and start over with a new role so that in 6 months, I'll have a grand total of TWO roles. Woopee. In Dust 514, the grind is large and the content rewards are small. The only reason it takes 7 years to unlock every skill is because you held back the content behind an incredibly large grind/pay wall. NOT because you have 7 years worth of content. If you are afraid of players ditching the game after 6 months like any other COD/BF game all I have to say is this: You better start working on shelling out real MMO worthy content. To keep AUR players like me from maxing out a role then saying, "Now what..." from leaving, consider treating us a little better and actually significantly reduce the ridiculous amount of grinding we STILL have to do. Those Omega boosters should be the new standard boosters. TL;DR: **** you it's not that long. >2013 >Reading IGN >Implying IGN is as bad as it used to be IGN has gotten a lot better over the years- well, it's community has at least. There is a growing hatred for fanboys and they are downvoted into oblivion. The community is getting better at calling out IGN on the bullshit fanboy war bait. That being said, the content of this article still stands. It's one of the few good ones.


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