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Posted - 2013.07.09 15:47:00 -
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Let the space monkeys come!
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:58:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Let the space monkeys come!
Let them try |
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Cormack's Modified Griefer
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Posted - 2013.07.10 01:04:00 -
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As you "free" our people from lives plagued be decisions, we'll continue freeing your souls to become one with you hoax, or "god" as you call it. |
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Yun Hee Ryeon
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Posted - 2013.07.10 02:22:00 -
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Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:As you "free" our people from lives plagued be decisions, we'll continue freeing your souls to become one with you hoax, or "god" as you call it.
Which are you talking to, freedom fighter?
The clone soldiers, whose souls either are free already or will be very difficult to free? The Amarrian authorities, of whom you might eventually kill a couple if you're skilled and lucky? The Amarrian Holders, who are of such rank as to be trusted by their society with the ownership of slaves?
Or, would that be the non-slave holding Amarrian common folk-- artisans, farmers, teachers-- Mr. "Horned Wolf" offers to slaughter?
If it is the last, you will have to speak louder. Few of them can access this forum to even receive your message. |
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Posted - 2013.07.10 02:30:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:As you "free" our people from lives plagued be decisions, we'll continue freeing your souls to become one with you hoax, or "god" as you call it. Which are you talking to, freedom fighter? The clone soldiers, whose souls either are free already or will be very difficult to free? The Amarrian authorities, of whom you might eventually kill a couple if you're skilled and lucky? The Amarrian Holders, who are of such rank as to be trusted by their society with the ownership of slaves? Or, would that be the non-slave holding Amarrian common folk-- artisans, farmers, teachers-- Mr. "Horned Wolf" offers to slaughter? If it is the last, you will have to speak louder. Few of them can access this forum to even receive your message. They are as innocent as the people you've stolen from us, you forget that it was the amarr that committed the first hostile actions towards civilians, not us. |
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Yun Hee Ryeon
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Posted - 2013.07.10 02:50:00 -
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Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:They are as innocent as the people you've stolen from us, you forget that it was the amarr that committed the first hostile actions towards civilians, not us.
Soldier, being as I'm an Achur, my people have stolen no one that I'm aware of. And yes, the Amarr have a bit of a history-- but then, so do the Gallente. The Amarr conquered the Matari over a thousand years ago. This most recent war is not of Amarrian making-- but it is the product of a long-running Matari scheme to divert aid from the Gallente Federation to construct an invasion fleet.
Also, if the Amarr are that wicked, are you so sure you want to reach for their level of moral behavior? |
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Posted - 2013.07.10 03:01:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:They are as innocent as the people you've stolen from us, you forget that it was the amarr that committed the first hostile actions towards civilians, not us. Soldier, being as I'm an Achur, my people have stolen no one that I'm aware of. And yes, the Amarr have a bit of a history-- but then, so do the Gallente. The Amarr conquered the Matari over a thousand years ago. This most recent war is not of Amarrian making-- but it is the product of a long-running Matari scheme to divert aid from the Gallente Federation to construct an invasion fleet. Also, if the Amarr are that wicked, are you so sure you want to reach for their level of moral behavior? Even though it started long ago, the amarr people still have a large segment of our population enslaved. If we have to sink into the mud with the empire so our people can be freed, then so be it, it's a necessary evil. However I don't see what the amarr/minmatar war has to do with the federation, please elaborate? |
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Yun Hee Ryeon
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Posted - 2013.07.10 03:27:00 -
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Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:Even though it started long ago, the amarr people still have a large segment of our population enslaved. If we have to sink into the mud with the empire so our people can be freed, then so be it, it's a necessary evil. However I don't see what the amarr/minmatar war has to do with the federation, please elaborate?
They do have a sizeable percentage still enslaved, yes-- most of whom, if the recent release of many of them by order of the empress is any guide, are now faithful Amarr believers. The Amarr are not the only slavemasters in New Eden, nor the cruelest, but I do give them credit for being some of the most ... well, persuasive. Several generations of theological study and menial labor will break down most cultures very effectively.
All of that said, their methods are nothing to those of the Sansha.
The Amarr, were they to resume their Reclaiming at scrambler-point, would indeed be a threat to us all. But there are other issues in play.
You ask about the Gallente. The Caldari fight them (to put it in the most simplistic manner possible) because the Gallente stole the only home the Caldari have ever truly cared for-- their homeworld, Caldari Prime. The Caldari just call it "Home." The Gallente, of course, had their reasons.
That war may possibly be nearing its end, but until the Gallente are no longer a threat the Caldari will never side against the Amarr. They don't especially like slavery, but they have their reasons as well.
As you have yours, as the Amarr have theirs.
Soldier, respectfully, it appears that you want to play the hero's role in all of this-- even if you must martyr your soul to your cause, you seem to do it because you believe your cause is a just one. This universe of ours will not, itself, validate your actions. There will be no chorus of benevolent spirits if the Amarr fall-- and by now you are surely aware that the Amarr, too, believe their cause is just.
This universe does not love an idealist, soldier, because it, itself, holds no ideal. If you stain your hands with the blood of many blameless people, what you will accomplish is to poison your soul-- and by that, I do not mean that you will go to some spiritual domain to be punished.
I mean that your life will become a corruptive force, a stain, a blight on the lives of others, not least on those who follow your example and become blights themselves. It is our role to be swords in the hands of others, but you seem ready to volunteer to become a murderous weapon.
If that is your path, so be it. But there will be nothing heroic in what you do, or in the sacrifice you make of yourself.
And what's more, since Mr. Horned Wolf has bungled his calculations horribly, you won't even be serving your cause. |
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.07.10 03:28:00 -
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Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:As you "free" our people from lives plagued be decisions, we'll continue freeing your souls to become one with you hoax, or "god" as you call it. Which are you talking to, freedom fighter? The clone soldiers, whose souls either are free already or will be very difficult to free? The Amarrian authorities, of whom you might eventually kill a couple if you're skilled and lucky? The Amarrian Holders, who are of such rank as to be trusted by their society with the ownership of slaves? Or, would that be the non-slave holding Amarrian common folk-- artisans, farmers, teachers-- Mr. "Horned Wolf" offers to slaughter? If it is the last, you will have to speak louder. Few of them can access this forum to even receive your message. They are as innocent as the people you've stolen from us, you forget that it was the amarr that committed the first hostile actions towards civilians, not us.
No hostile acts were commit toward you or your people. We wish to put you on the path to God's mercy and Salvation. |
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Cormack's Modified Griefer
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Posted - 2013.07.10 04:04:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:Even though it started long ago, the amarr people still have a large segment of our population enslaved. If we have to sink into the mud with the empire so our people can be freed, then so be it, it's a necessary evil. However I don't see what the amarr/minmatar war has to do with the federation, please elaborate? They do have a sizeable percentage still enslaved, yes-- most of whom, if the recent release of many of them by order of the empress is any guide, are now faithful Amarr believers. The Amarr are not the only slavemasters in New Eden, nor the cruelest, but I do give them credit for being some of the most ... well, persuasive. Several generations of theological study and menial labor will break down most cultures very effectively. All of that said, their methods are nothing to those of the Sansha. The Amarr, were they to resume their Reclaiming at scrambler-point, would indeed be a threat to us all. But there are other issues in play. You ask about the Gallente. The Caldari fight them (to put it in the most simplistic manner possible) because the Gallente stole the only home the Caldari have ever truly cared for-- their homeworld, Caldari Prime. The Caldari just call it "Home." The Gallente, of course, had their reasons. That war may possibly be nearing its end, but until the Gallente are no longer a threat the Caldari will never side against the Amarr. They don't especially like slavery, but they have their reasons as well. As you have yours, as the Amarr have theirs. Soldier, respectfully, it appears that you want to play the hero's role in all of this-- even if you must martyr your soul to your cause, you seem to do it because you believe your cause is a just one. This universe of ours will not, itself, validate your actions. There will be no chorus of benevolent spirits if the Amarr fall-- and by now you are surely aware that the Amarr, too, believe their cause is just. This universe does not love an idealist, soldier, because it, itself, holds no ideal. If you stain your hands with the blood of many blameless people, what you will accomplish is to poison your soul-- and by that, I do not mean that you will go to some spiritual domain to be punished. I mean that your life will become a corruptive force, a stain, a blight on the lives of others, not least on those who follow your example and become blights themselves. It is our role to be swords in the hands of others, but you seem ready to volunteer to become a murderous weapon. If that is your path, so be it. But there will be nothing heroic in what you do, or in the sacrifice you make of yourself. And what's more, since Mr. Horned Wolf has bungled his calculations horribly, you won't even be serving your cause.
A tiny miscalculation for a small event, nothing compared to losing the majority of your fleet to a small squad of jove ships. Like the amarr, I do what I believe in, which deep inside you know is wrong, so we're both doomed to cursing those around us, so I will do what I can to give the empire a reason to let their slaves go. I weapon to dispatch the heretics which conduct themselves by tenants that support the torture of a people. The caldari dug their own grave when they made hidden weapon bases, which when compared to the widely known ones, suggest for an attack against the federation. Look at it this way, if the federation didn't act, we would have the same situation except with caldari striking unprovoked.
Sansha only changes the mindset of his people, to make them enjoy killing. Also, he rewards his subjects, instead of torturing them less. |
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Cormack's Modified Griefer
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Posted - 2013.07.10 04:06:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:As you "free" our people from lives plagued be decisions, we'll continue freeing your souls to become one with you hoax, or "god" as you call it. Which are you talking to, freedom fighter? The clone soldiers, whose souls either are free already or will be very difficult to free? The Amarrian authorities, of whom you might eventually kill a couple if you're skilled and lucky? The Amarrian Holders, who are of such rank as to be trusted by their society with the ownership of slaves? Or, would that be the non-slave holding Amarrian common folk-- artisans, farmers, teachers-- Mr. "Horned Wolf" offers to slaughter? If it is the last, you will have to speak louder. Few of them can access this forum to even receive your message. They are as innocent as the people you've stolen from us, you forget that it was the amarr that committed the first hostile actions towards civilians, not us. No hostile acts were commit toward you or your people. We wish to put you on the path to God's mercy and Salvation. That would be acceptable if it was attempted through missionaries instead of forced labour. |
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Posted - 2013.07.10 04:35:00 -
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Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:A tiny miscalculation for a small event, nothing compared to losing the majority of your fleet to a small squad of jove ships. Like the amarr, I do what I believe in, which deep inside you know is wrong, so we're both doomed to cursing those around us, so I will do what I can to give the empire a reason to let their slaves go. I weapon to dispatch the heretics which conduct themselves by tenants that support the torture of a people.
Soldier, the Empire suffers worse effects from a single capsuleer attack or Blood Raider (or, gods forbid, Sansha) raid than Mr. Horned Wolf is likely to pull off with a year of planning.
Killing civilians? Are you out of your poor minds already? We're virtually made for assassination, and you people want to kill civilians? Any fool with a modern sub machine gun can do that, abundantly.
If you people wanted to make progress rather than a tiny bit of noise, you'd be contemplating which Holders to pick off in what order. That would be interesting, at least.
This? This is just, well ... contemptible.
Quote:The caldari dug their own grave when they made hidden weapon bases, which when compared to the widely known ones, suggest for an attack against the federation. Look at it this way, if the federation didn't act, we would have the same situation except with caldari striking unprovoked.
Respectfully, the Caldari were setting up colonies rather than "weapon bases." One of those was my homeworld, Achura, which you may know as Saisio III. The Caldari uplifted the urban populations (in the sense of bringing them out of a preindustrial system and into a post-spaceflight age, not Sansha's version) and left the rest of us pretty well alone; we're still there.
You seem to be rather attached to the notion of the Federation as heroes, soldier. And they do often like to think of themselves that way. Sadly, it's not true. They, too, are guilty of horrors, as they, themselves, will often admit.
Quote:Sansha only changes the mindset of his people, to make them enjoy killing. Also, he rewards his subjects, instead of torturing them less.
I knew someone, once, that the Sansha took, soldier. I knew him after, as well.
Please believe me when I say that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Kuvakei "changes" the "mindset" of his people as an axe changes a log. What does it matter how damaged the psyche becomes if the damage cannot be expressed?... And then, if we are to believe his propaganda, he makes his victims immortal, as well.
Broken, forever.
There is no other fate in New Eden that compares. |
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Posted - 2013.07.10 04:43:00 -
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I would like to address your sansha references out of character because I let a bit of rp for another character leak.onto this one. (In character) every race has committed atrocities, but fighting the caldari wasn't one, and the ones performed daily by the amarr are arguably the worst. That attack wasn't of my design, I merely participated. |
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.07.10 04:56:00 -
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Indeed we do not fear the terrorist activities of a single small cell in Amarrian space, if indeed there even is one, for that matter the announcement of such an attack leads our superiors to believe that such slaughter isn't even plausible within the Empire, as security over major residential zones is being tightened.
As the Caldari uplifted the Archura, we sought to uplift the Minmatar who at the time were constrained by notions unbecoming of their noble race. as such we found it to be our duty to bring the minmatar into the galactic fold and allow them to become a part of the unity we shared, however they spurned that.
As for our defeat by the Jove it is interesting you should note that....as at the time our navies and armies were the strongest of the four nations. As for what they did to us in battle such was our arrogance and fervour, however imagining you paltry levels of technological development I cannot help but wonder if they would have destroyed you people in a single night.....
As do I know the victims and tragedies of Sansha Kuvakei's madness first hand, when my Templar brothers rebelled and sought aid from such a fiend, who used them, corrupted them and abandoned them as we close in. |
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Posted - 2013.07.10 05:00:00 -
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Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:I would like to address your sansha references out of character because I let a bit of rp for another character leak.onto this one. (In character) every race has committed atrocities, but fighting the caldari wasn't one, and the ones performed daily by the amarr are arguably the worst. That attack wasn't of my design, I merely participated.
(( That not at all even remotely true you cannot judge the acts of these races based upon modern conceptions of how we have acted, perceived, or developed as a society. I mean anthropologically speaking (and sure I took anthro 101 and 201) each race has developed a set of ritualised customs based upon its environment and individual racial experiences, the Gallente found freedom and liberalism to be the most beneficial arrangement for themselves, the Caldari found conservative nationalism, the amarr found imperialism, and the mInmatar found unified societal groups as their means, how they achieve their goal are no better or worse than how any of the other groups achieve theirs.) |
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Posted - 2013.07.10 05:04:00 -
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While our navy was weak then we now have our ships on par, if not better to the equivalent amarr ship. What makes them worse is not necessarily the religion, but it's use to justify horrible acts. That was only a basic hit and run plan, not too different from your methods of taking slaves. |
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Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
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I would like to inform you that I am the only reason my planet in feythabolis was added to sansha's navy. I was immediately praised by sansha himself, given is to buy a normal crystal set on the market along with other combat implants. |
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Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:While our navy was weak then we now have our ships on par, if not better to the equivalent amarr ship. What makes them worse is not necessarily the religion, but it's use to justify horrible acts. That was only a basic hit and run plan, not too different from your methods of taking slaves. You fail to listen then, I am done with your arguments. I have accepted that my people hold slaves, explained to you why, explained to you our creed and views towards those who toil in God's name, I have given evidence of the brutality of the other nations, and I have accepted our own where proven.
Buy you do not listen. |
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Yun Hee Ryeon
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Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:I would like to address your sansha references out of character because I let a bit of rp for another character leak.onto this one.
(( <-- OOC is usually indicated by double-parentheses, for future reference-- like these ones, here. --> ))
((It's also something we should avoid using much. The mods have been going a bit easy, but it's kind of a bad habit. That said, thank you for the clarification; I won't pursue it further.))
Quote:every race has committed atrocities, but fighting the caldari wasn't one, and the ones performed daily by the amarr are arguably the worst. That attack wasn't of my design, I merely participated.
Soldier, you've seen orbital bombardment on a small scale. Those are destroyer-class vessels firing at us most of the time-- when it's not the even-less-formidable MCC.
The Gallente bombarded Caldari Prime from orbit. They bombed the cities. The U-Nat party that held control at that time was a fascist faction, the Gallentean answer to the Templis Dragonaurs. They acted as such people will: brutally.
The Amarr look on slavery as a sort of spiritual apprenticeship. Their faith grants their hardliners a sad sort of innocence; they do as they believe they should. The influence of their more reform-minded kin is growing, however, and has been for many years. Karin Midular understood this; it is sad that others of the tribes cannot.
For my own part, I believe that the attempted destruction of the Matari culture is the more horrible act. The rest ... is mostly just people being people to one another.
A few other examples of people being people:
* The Blood Raiders will drain all of your blood for the sake (almost literally) of getting to know you better. Otherwise, they'll likely just enslave you. Can you imagine the Amarr without their belief in a compassionate and just deity?
* The Angel Cartel fairly simply regards a human being as another piece of property to be looted and sold at auction.
* Sansha Kuvakei thinks we should all stop fighting each other, and is prepared to take a hatchet to your psychology to persuade you that he's right. He's in the market for slaves, by the way.
* The Caldari State normally grants no legal status to persons who have no corporate citizenship. To become a "nonentity" is to disappear from the system and become a non-person. The State doesn't practice slavery, however.
* You may want to look into the way the Matari approach certain ill-omened voluval.
* The Gallente have their own faith-- "freedom"-- and they want to spread it to everybody else, whether we want it or not. It's sort of an open secret that they tried to bring about the State's collapse for decades, essentially by selling holoflicks to the Caldari. The resulting revolt is what brought Tibus Heth to power.
* The Equilibrium of Mankind thinks we shouldn't be in New Eden at all-- the equilibrium they're aiming for is the one you achieve between matter and antimatter: annihilation.
* The Jove preached to the capsuleers about the conundrum of capsuleer benevolence versus the ridiculous capsuleer bodycount, then gifted them all with battlecruisers.
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Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
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Posted - 2013.07.10 05:33:00 -
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Blood raiders are like the amarr "enslavers" in the sense that they mainly go after the purest blood, whicu means amarr officials and nobles. So they're targeting a group if people without proper reason. Like the caldari didn't retaliate using the same methods, which is likely a reason a caldari carrier crashed into gallante prime. |
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Posted - 2013.07.10 05:37:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:While our navy was weak then we now have our ships on par, if not better to the equivalent amarr ship. What makes them worse is not necessarily the religion, but it's use to justify horrible acts. That was only a basic hit and run plan, not too different from your methods of taking slaves. You fail to listen then, I am done with your arguments. I have accepted that my people hold slaves, explained to you why, explained to you our creed and views towards those who toil in God's name, I have given evidence of the brutality of the other nations, and I have accepted our own where proven. Buy you do not listen.
I have listened but you haven't come close to solving my question, you never gave a concrete reason why enslaving is justified, only that you do it because a fiction novel said it's ok. |
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Posted - 2013.07.10 06:10:00 -
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Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:True Adamance wrote:Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:While our navy was weak then we now have our ships on par, if not better to the equivalent amarr ship. What makes them worse is not necessarily the religion, but it's use to justify horrible acts. That was only a basic hit and run plan, not too different from your methods of taking slaves. You fail to listen then, I am done with your arguments. I have accepted that my people hold slaves, explained to you why, explained to you our creed and views towards those who toil in God's name, I have given evidence of the brutality of the other nations, and I have accepted our own where proven. Buy you do not listen. I have listened but you haven't come close to solving my question, you never gave a concrete reason why enslaving is justified, only that you do it because a fiction novel said it's ok. The enslavement of races is a part of our culture that dates back to the earliest of Amarrian histories it is our way of allowing the races to come to the same sense of realisation we did in the past through long toil and sufferage, it is our belief that with such trials overcome one can be closer to God and therefore responsible for their mortal soul.
"Only through many hardships Is a man stripped to his very foundations And in such a state Devoid of distractions Is his soul free to soar And in this He is closest to God" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 42:5
Once a race is deemed worthy it is inducted into the Empire as equals, as brothers and sisters and all of God's children. Such was done with the Ni Kunni and now they are a proud productive people within our great empire, such was the fate of the Ammatar who too have come to see God's design, and were once of the Matari peoples.
It is the goal of the Amarrian empire to extend the light of God's word to the furthest starts of this galaxy so that all the people of New Eden will be united by a single purpose and faith, and that in that blissful unity we may all know true peace, both in body and soul, in this life and in God's promised land. |
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Cormack's Modified Griefer
Expert Intervention Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.10 06:27:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:True Adamance wrote:Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:While our navy was weak then we now have our ships on par, if not better to the equivalent amarr ship. What makes them worse is not necessarily the religion, but it's use to justify horrible acts. That was only a basic hit and run plan, not too different from your methods of taking slaves. You fail to listen then, I am done with your arguments. I have accepted that my people hold slaves, explained to you why, explained to you our creed and views towards those who toil in God's name, I have given evidence of the brutality of the other nations, and I have accepted our own where proven. Buy you do not listen. I have listened but you haven't come close to solving my question, you never gave a concrete reason why enslaving is justified, only that you do it because a fiction novel said it's ok. The enslavement of races is a part of our culture that dates back to the earliest of Amarrian histories it is our way of allowing the races to come to the same sense of realisation we did in the past through long toil and sufferage, it is our belief that with such trials overcome one can be closer to God and therefore responsible for their mortal soul. "Only through many hardships Is a man stripped to his very foundations And in such a state Devoid of distractions Is his soul free to soar And in this He is closest to God" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 42:5 Once a race is deemed worthy it is inducted into the Empire as equals, as brothers and sisters and all of God's children. Such was done with the Ni Kunni and now they are a proud productive people within our great empire, such was the fate of the Ammatar who too have come to see God's design, and were once of the Matari peoples. It is the goal of the Amarrian empire to extend the light of God's word to the furthest starts of this galaxy so that all the people of New Eden will be united by a single purpose and faith, and that in that blissful unity we may all know true peace, both in body and soul, in this life and in God's promised land.
You specifically complained about gallente citizens spread freedom, even though having freedom wouldn't affect any amarr believer. Please show me how it's not any different from what amarr do, if not worse since it forces an unnecessary change. So you're principles have a havy undertone of hypocritical motives? |
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Posted - 2013.07.10 06:28:00 -
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Also, how are amarr supposed to know if a races has already toiled or not, and their different named deities would all be one under another name. |
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The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
591
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Posted - 2013.07.10 06:36:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: CONCORD is powerless to stop immortal clones like T.Errorist explained, we can be anyone, we can be everywhere; We are the closest thing to God there is. We do not need the support of the Federation nor the Republic; the Republic is not willing to make the hard choices, and the Federation is far too lazy to make their ideals a reality. We have the funds to hire thousands of amoral mercenaries to do what must be done, and are reborn anew with each death.
So you say the it will be up to use Templars to stop you where you strike. As you say we Templars may make use of similar tactics we can be anyone, anywhere, especially in Amarrian Space. I am warning the upper Echelon of the Praetoriate as well speak of your claims, their influence is strong in Amarr space your goals will not be easy to achieve. Concord will also be notified of such claims and an appeal for aid against your cell will be filed. As well I have taken the steps to approach allied loyalist corporations to provide security services for the foreseeable future. This is the true terror of uncontrolled Immortal Clones, such unrestrained tendencies for violence and hate, such will to complete acts of unspeakable evil, and all for one persons own cause..... We Amarrian will do as well have always done "Surround yourself with the faithful, Stand together, for there is no strength like it under the heavens." - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 71:21
Templars? Let the Templars try to stop an immortal force that is well funded and supplied. I am not worried about a bunch of defective clones with no ISK and a head full of bad wiring. Please.
Concord? Those blood thirsty cadaver jockeys are too busy popping high sec-ers for being stupid to try to stop anything we do. They don't even have suits on the ground, how are they going to stop a mercenary force that can be anywhere at anytime?
I will provide assistance to any mercs or groups who want to fight for freedom. Giving life back to those who need it most is why I became a mercenary and I am ready to stand up and fight for freedom. Slavery is an cancer and should be removed. Quoting scripture and implying that slavery is justified by history of treatment still doesn't make slavery right. I will spend my eternity fighting for what is good and right not what is justified by a theocracy or tradition.
Freedom! |
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Kestrel Reconnaissance
1051
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Posted - 2013.07.10 06:43:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:True Adamance wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: CONCORD is powerless to stop immortal clones like T.Errorist explained, we can be anyone, we can be everywhere; We are the closest thing to God there is. We do not need the support of the Federation nor the Republic; the Republic is not willing to make the hard choices, and the Federation is far too lazy to make their ideals a reality. We have the funds to hire thousands of amoral mercenaries to do what must be done, and are reborn anew with each death.
So you say the it will be up to use Templars to stop you where you strike. As you say we Templars may make use of similar tactics we can be anyone, anywhere, especially in Amarrian Space. I am warning the upper Echelon of the Praetoriate as well speak of your claims, their influence is strong in Amarr space your goals will not be easy to achieve. Concord will also be notified of such claims and an appeal for aid against your cell will be filed. As well I have taken the steps to approach allied loyalist corporations to provide security services for the foreseeable future. This is the true terror of uncontrolled Immortal Clones, such unrestrained tendencies for violence and hate, such will to complete acts of unspeakable evil, and all for one persons own cause..... We Amarrian will do as well have always done "Surround yourself with the faithful, Stand together, for there is no strength like it under the heavens." - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 71:21 Templars? Let the Templars try to stop an immortal force that is well funded and supplied. I am not worried about a bunch of defective clones with no ISK and a head full of bad wiring. Please. Concord? Those blood thirsty cadaver jockeys are too busy popping high sec-ers for being stupid to try to stop anything we do. They don't even have suits on the ground, how are they going to stop a mercenary force that can be anywhere at anytime? I will provide assistance to any mercs or groups who want to fight for freedom. Giving life back to those who need it most is why I became a mercenary and I am ready to stand up and fight for freedom. Slavery is an cancer and should be removed. Quoting scripture and implying that slavery is justified by history of treatment still doesn't make slavery right. I will spend my eternity fighting for what is good and right not what is justified by a theocracy or tradition. Freedom!
Yes freedom for all, even if it means freeing the innocent children from their mortal coil right. Gallente always so caught up within their own rhetoric. |
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
524
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Posted - 2013.07.10 06:43:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:True Adamance wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: CONCORD is powerless to stop immortal clones like T.Errorist explained, we can be anyone, we can be everywhere; We are the closest thing to God there is. We do not need the support of the Federation nor the Republic; the Republic is not willing to make the hard choices, and the Federation is far too lazy to make their ideals a reality. We have the funds to hire thousands of amoral mercenaries to do what must be done, and are reborn anew with each death.
So you say the it will be up to use Templars to stop you where you strike. As you say we Templars may make use of similar tactics we can be anyone, anywhere, especially in Amarrian Space. I am warning the upper Echelon of the Praetoriate as well speak of your claims, their influence is strong in Amarr space your goals will not be easy to achieve. Concord will also be notified of such claims and an appeal for aid against your cell will be filed. As well I have taken the steps to approach allied loyalist corporations to provide security services for the foreseeable future. This is the true terror of uncontrolled Immortal Clones, such unrestrained tendencies for violence and hate, such will to complete acts of unspeakable evil, and all for one persons own cause..... We Amarrian will do as well have always done "Surround yourself with the faithful, Stand together, for there is no strength like it under the heavens." - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 71:21 Templars? Let the Templars try to stop an immortal force that is well funded and supplied. I am not worried about a bunch of defective clones with no ISK and a head full of bad wiring. Please. Concord? Those blood thirsty cadaver jockeys are too busy popping high sec-ers for being stupid to try to stop anything we do. They don't even have suits on the ground, how are they going to stop a mercenary force that can be anywhere at anytime? I will provide assistance to any mercs or groups who want to fight for freedom. Giving life back to those who need it most is why I became a mercenary and I am ready to stand up and fight for freedom. Slavery is an cancer and should be removed. Quoting scripture and implying that slavery is justified by history of treatment still doesn't make slavery right. I will spend my eternity fighting for what is good and right not what is justified by a theocracy or tradition. Freedom! Unfortunately Kagehoshi's cell is not supported or funded by the Empires so much so he has claimed, and the ISK or mere mercenaries is pittance to that of a mighty empire, one whose corporate parts hire you in the first place.
As you may or may no know the Templar project is one designed to create immortal soldiers like myself, we are as immortal as you, able to use any and all of our empires assets to our advantage. If you refer to our earlier generation Templar then perhaps you are right, our earlier attempts to create such soldiers were not wholly successful however 4th Generation Templars like myself are much more stable than those of the previous generations, as for our ISK, the Praetoriate supplies me with what I need, and their service to the empire rewards them.
((As this event would take place in High sec....yes Concord would inherently be present and a huge part of such matters as for suits on the ground I'm sure they do they just don't need to hire us as they probably have their own internal branches of security personell))
As for you beliefs in regards to what we do I have tried time and time again to explain what the Amarr do, and time and time again you choose to misunderstand my words and ignore my explainations, there is no point in discussing matters of Theology with such pitiable souls.
However what Kagehoshi has planned is not conflict for freedom, he wishes to free no slaves with his actions nor campaign for their release, instead he plots the murder of innocent women and children with no provocation, and makes no attempt to deny it. His villainy, and yours should you go along with his plots to terrorise the masses, will go down in history as the evil we sought to end. |
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Posted - 2013.07.10 06:59:00 -
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I may be from the Templar project but I am not a Templar like you, I am freedom fighter. I am glad your clone is more stable because it is not fun shooting a corpse. I understand your religious zealous but it doesn't make up for the oppression applied to to people who want freedom.
I doubt Concord has any special forces. Have you been on the battlefield? Recruits dying before getting a shot off and murder squads roaming in search of new clones. I have no faith in Concord or their ability to influence any conflict especially if it is in low security space or worse. They can't even stop freighters from being seized and destroyed at the busiest system in the galaxy. |
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.07.10 07:37:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:I may be from the Templar project but I am not a Templar like you, I am freedom fighter. I am glad your clone is more stable because it is not fun shooting a corpse. I understand your religious zealous but it doesn't make up for the oppression applied to to people who want freedom.
I doubt Concord has any special forces. Have you been on the battlefield? Recruits dying before getting a shot off and murder squads roaming in search of new clones. I have no faith in Concord or their ability to influence any conflict especially if it is in low security space or worse. They can't even stop freighters from being seized and destroyed at the busiest system in the galaxy. (( OCC you aren't amarrian I wouldn't have been a part of the Templar Programme.....))
The Minmatar aren't yours, you cannot speak their words for them. They are our, they belong in our empire, the Ammatar are the examples of that. |
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WarRavens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.10 09:49:00 -
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Empress Jamyl I emancipated Minmatar slaves of 9th generation and up, and those who are involved in theological and academic fields. Those who refused to free the emancipated Minmatar slaves, the Refusards, were destroyed by the Amarr Empire.
Kagehoshi, If your goal is to free the millions that did not meet those conditions set by the Empress, I recommend encouraging conditions that allow the Minmatar slaves to meet the latter requirement of being involved in theological or academic fields. Your current plan will cause excessive collateral damage and you run the risk of invoking the Empress's wrath. |
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