DUST Search - Omega p2w booster

Malkai Inos wrote:

ladwar wrote:

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

The idea was to make the Omega booster 'a/the' subscription item. Originally it was supposed to be an Active Booster at similar multiplier which would have also increased the cap by similar amounts (which CPM extremely frowned upon)

We (CPM) still haven't had talks nor have I had a chance to look at the item to verify its function. But form the sounds of it its a 2x passive booster basically and not the 100% of the bonus SP as passive per week.

Either way I am hoping that Omega keeps to it name sake and remains that way.

Base passive is 24,000
W/ booster 36,000 (1.5x or 50%)
W/ omega booster 48,000 (2x or 100%)

yup that's it 12k sp a day(normal) or 24k sp a day over none booster.. whats the issue here? that in a week you get 168k sp.(84ksp for the normal booster) its not a big deal. I have over 10mil sp so I actually not look into not getting booster at all because its just not that helpful anymore.

That's an issue i forsee to get much more prevalent with too strong boosters. That's one reason why i believe that there may not be any 3x 4x or boosters.

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EKH0 0ne Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 39	Posted - 2013.05.22 00:49:00 - [1] - Quote $20 for a 2x boost vs people who dont pay
Buster Friently Rosen Association 481	Posted - 2013.05.22 00:51:00 - [2] - Quote EKH0 0ne wrote: $20 for a 2x boost vs people who dont pay Where's the problem here?
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 332	Posted - 2013.05.22 00:52:00 - [3] - Quote You think getting skill points to avoid grinding is pay to win or something? Please. When you get better gear for cash than anyone can get on their own then you'll have something to talk about. Taking a bit of a shortcut, or experimenting with stuff before you spend points to skill into it, are not pay to win. I'm sure somebody will come along and say it much better than I.
PREDATORPANTS YW Illuminati.. 2	Posted - 2013.05.22 00:54:00 - [4] - Quote Got 3 of them on que, along with 7 other passives. Also 8 actives on que, all 30 days. There is a choice for players, some choose it and some dont, thats all there is to it really. Dont really see the issue with it.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 374	Posted - 2013.05.22 00:54:00 - [5] - Quote Because SP boosters make me a better shot.
EKH0 0ne Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 39	Posted - 2013.05.22 00:56:00 - [6] - Quote lifetime sp with boosters n without boosters............is what im talking about
Buster Friently Rosen Association 481	Posted - 2013.05.22 00:57:00 - [7] - Quote EKH0 0ne wrote: lifetime sp with boosters n without boosters............is what im talking about Not seeing an issue.
Goat of Dover Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 166	Posted - 2013.05.22 00:57:00 - [8] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Because SP boosters make me a better shot. I think he said it the best. +1
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4524	Posted - 2013.05.22 00:59:00 - [9] - Quote The idea was to make the Omega booster 'a/the' subscription item. Originally it was supposed to be an Active Booster at similar multiplier which would have also increased the cap by similar amounts (which CPM extremely frowned upon) We (CPM) still haven't had talks nor have I had a chance to look at the item to verify its function. But form the sounds of it its a 2x passive booster basically and not the 100% of the bonus SP as passive per week. Either way I am hoping that Omega keeps to it name sake and remains that way.
PREDATORPANTS YW Illuminati.. 3	Posted - 2013.05.22 01:00:00 - [10] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Because SP boosters make me a better shot. aha fantastic !

Dust HaHakoke D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2	Posted - 2013.05.22 01:02:00 - [11] - Quote You can get and use a weapon faster...unless its magically giving you more ammo or dps
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. League of Infamy 269	Posted - 2013.05.22 01:03:00 - [12] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The idea was to make the Omega booster 'a/the' subscription item. Originally it was supposed to be an Active Booster at similar multiplier which would have also increased the cap by similar amounts (which CPM extremely frowned upon) We (CPM) still haven't had talks nor have I had a chance to look at the item to verify its function. But form the sounds of it its a 2x passive booster basically and not the 100% of the bonus SP as passive per week. Either way I am hoping that Omega keeps to it name sake and remains that way. Base passive is 24,000 W/ booster 36,000 (1.5x or 50%) W/ omega booster 48,000 (2x or 100%)
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 540	Posted - 2013.05.22 01:04:00 - [13] - Quote Dust HaHakoke wrote: You can get and use a weapon faster...unless its magically giving you more ammo or dps Not magic, just skill point investment. Was that sarcasm?
Dust HaHakoke D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2	Posted - 2013.05.22 01:06:00 - [14] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: Dust HaHakoke wrote: You can get and use a weapon faster...unless its magically giving you more ammo or dps Not magic, just skill point investment. Was that sarcasm? Very much so
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 540	Posted - 2013.05.22 01:10:00 - [15] - Quote Dust HaHakoke wrote: Jin Robot wrote: Dust HaHakoke wrote: You can get and use a weapon faster...unless its magically giving you more ammo or dps Not magic, just skill point investment. Was that sarcasm? Very much so Ah...carry on then
Dust HaHakoke D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3	Posted - 2013.05.22 01:11:00 - [16] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: Dust HaHakoke wrote: Jin Robot wrote: Dust HaHakoke wrote: You can get and use a weapon faster...unless its magically giving you more ammo or dps Not magic, just skill point investment. Was that sarcasm? Very much so Ah...carry on then You too good sir.
Malkai Inos The Vanguardians Orion Empire 108	Posted - 2013.05.22 01:17:00 - [17] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The idea was to make the Omega booster 'a/the' subscription item. Originally it was supposed to be an Active Booster at similar multiplier which would have also increased the cap by similar amounts (which CPM extremely frowned upon) We (CPM) still haven't had talks nor have I had a chance to look at the item to verify its function. But form the sounds of it its a 2x passive booster basically and not the 100% of the bonus SP as passive per week. Either way I am hoping that Omega keeps to it name sake and remains that way. I can perfectly live with their current multiplier and if the non promotional offer stays around the 40-45k mark i'll probably use them just as intended. Actives made me feel obliged to play as much as possible and therefore never really felt fitting for me.
Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 473	Posted - 2013.05.22 01:25:00 - [18] - Quote Only pay to win when you can get thing for real $ that you cannot earn in game with ISK.
Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 527	Posted - 2013.05.22 01:41:00 - [19] - Quote EKH0 0ne wrote: $20 for a 2x boost vs people who dont pay Are you just confirming that currency is being exchanged for goods/services? Or do you have some other concern that I'm just not seeing?
Malkai Inos The Vanguardians Orion Empire 108	Posted - 2013.05.22 01:50:00 - [20] - Quote Maximus Stryker wrote: Only pay to win when you can get thing for real $ that you cannot earn in game with ISK. I'm more concerned about the impact it might have on consumer impression. There's always that point where an offer, when too powerfull to miss, turns from incentive to coercion. People like having the option to pay for a better experience (in this case quicker progress). But when those boosters get too strong people might start feeling like the game is trying to force them to buy and suddenly perceive their experience as so much more inferior just because the option exists. This can turn people away from the game and therefore spending money they would have spent eventually on the 50% boosters.

Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 11	Posted - 2013.05.22 03:04:00 - [21] - Quote If the only rule for it not being pay2win is "As long as it doesn't provide something you can't get with ISK or time then it's not P2W", then why stop at 2x? Why not offer a 1000x SP bonus for the sum of 1,000,000 aurum? It's flawed logic if you ask me.
Dust HaHakoke D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 6	Posted - 2013.05.22 03:17:00 - [22] - Quote The main problem im seeing is that there is no consensus on what p2w actually is it differs from player to player I personally think the omega booster is in a grey zone.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1090	Posted - 2013.05.22 03:40:00 - [23] - Quote Brb, going to buy 10 of these and kill people with my SP.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 450	Posted - 2013.05.22 03:58:00 - [24] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The idea was to make the Omega booster 'a/the' subscription item. Originally it was supposed to be an Active Booster at similar multiplier which would have also increased the cap by similar amounts (which CPM extremely frowned upon) We (CPM) still haven't had talks nor have I had a chance to look at the item to verify its function. But form the sounds of it its a 2x passive booster basically and not the 100% of the bonus SP as passive per week. Either way I am hoping that Omega keeps to it name sake and remains that way. Base passive is 24,000 W/ booster 36,000 (1.5x or 50%) W/ omega booster 48,000 (2x or 100%) yup that's it 12k sp a day(normal) or 24k sp a day over none booster.. whats the issue here? that in a week you get 168k sp.(84ksp for the normal booster) its not a big deal. I have over 10mil sp so I actually looking into not getting booster at all because its just not that helpful anymore.(btw I have 70 some on days left on my passive booster and not really caring about this new booster that I won't see for 70+days.
Malkai Inos The Vanguardians Orion Empire 113	Posted - 2013.05.22 04:04:00 - [25] - Quote ladwar wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The idea was to make the Omega booster 'a/the' subscription item. Originally it was supposed to be an Active Booster at similar multiplier which would have also increased the cap by similar amounts (which CPM extremely frowned upon) We (CPM) still haven't had talks nor have I had a chance to look at the item to verify its function. But form the sounds of it its a 2x passive booster basically and not the 100% of the bonus SP as passive per week. Either way I am hoping that Omega keeps to it name sake and remains that way. Base passive is 24,000 W/ booster 36,000 (1.5x or 50%) W/ omega booster 48,000 (2x or 100%) yup that's it 12k sp a day(normal) or 24k sp a day over none booster.. whats the issue here? that in a week you get 168k sp.(84ksp for the normal booster) its not a big deal. I have over 10mil sp so I actually not look into not getting booster at all because its just not that helpful anymore. That's an issue i forsee to get much more prevalent with too strong boosters. That's one reason why i believe that there may not be any 3x 4x or boosters.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 450	Posted - 2013.05.22 04:15:00 - [26] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: ladwar wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The idea was to make the Omega booster 'a/the' subscription item. Originally it was supposed to be an Active Booster at similar multiplier which would have also increased the cap by similar amounts (which CPM extremely frowned upon) We (CPM) still haven't had talks nor have I had a chance to look at the item to verify its function. But form the sounds of it its a 2x passive booster basically and not the 100% of the bonus SP as passive per week. Either way I am hoping that Omega keeps to it name sake and remains that way. Base passive is 24,000 W/ booster 36,000 (1.5x or 50%) W/ omega booster 48,000 (2x or 100%) yup that's it 12k sp a day(normal) or 24k sp a day over none booster.. whats the issue here? that in a week you get 168k sp.(84ksp for the normal booster) its not a big deal. I have over 10mil sp so I actually not look into not getting booster at all because its just not that helpful anymore. That's an issue i forsee to get much more prevalent with too strong boosters. That's one reason why i believe that there may not be any 3x 4x or boosters. even if there was 5x active booster I probably at this point would not buy it because I simply don't need it and CCP is losing the battle of why I should invest in the game(for me). im pretty sure once more people can fill a role up completely with sp boosters are going to get stronger but less people are going to use them because the reason to go outside your role to much isn't really there.
Malkai Inos The Vanguardians Orion Empire 114	Posted - 2013.05.22 04:21:00 - [27] - Quote ladwar wrote: even if there was 5x active booster I probably at this point would not buy it because I simply don't need it and CCP is losing the battle of why I should invest in the game(for me). im pretty sure once more people can fill a role up completely with sp boosters are going to get stronger but less people are going to use them because the reason to go outside your role to much isn't really there. Absolutely right. I'll quote myself from here if i may: Malkai Inos wrote: [...]and i would supect that giving them these stronger boosters might lead to them paying more for the stronger boosters but also stop buying earlier because they don't see the purpose of generalization and therefore stop seeing SP as worth paying money for I hope CCP is aware of this as i am convinced that you aren't the only one feeling that way.
TriedAndTested Algintal Core Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2013.05.22 21:58:00 - [28] - Quote Maximus Stryker wrote: Only pay to win when you can get thing for real $ that you cannot earn in game with ISK. Great point, Im just going to buy these boosters with isk i dont mind these at all its just the cost is high, i would love to run boosters all the time, but at this cost for 30 days its not worth it would rather drop my money on another game where the value is worth more


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