I came to the same conclusion, however there might be some buffs so only May 6th will tell.

Suit prices where normalized, suits of one tier cost about the same.
Weaponry has been nerfed to 0%damage. All damage + skills except turrets and proficiency has been removed.
Armor repair skill armor plate shield extenders and booster skills all increased module effectiveness and not fittings.
Three fitting skills to max out at 15% + to CPU and pg.

There are no buffs. Heres the proof, he says only turret and turret proficeiency are keeping the extra damage. Suit prices are "normalized" wich can mean there going to be priced "fairly" (wich will unfairly be twice the cost of anything else) or stay as normal thus far (wich is so far "normal" at 3 times the cost of other suits) and our weapons are hard to fit. proto hmgs and forge guns are over 120 CPU to fit. now skills are making mods harder to to fit, so were not using proto weapons any time soon. too hard and expensive to fit!

The skills for fitting are separated by groups of modules. You can see these from sisi market.

And I'm about to come back to dust and my heavy as well D:

However, I would love for some actual information before I judge anything.
I found it hard to believe that CCP will just remove all those +dmg +range skills, where is our character customization ??

I'm holding out for more info.

I find it hard to believe they would remove the range bonuses completely.

Entirely possible its automatically applied without the need to train it.

Besides, a reduction to dispersion/kick wouldn't make much sense in the case of the HMG. It already works differently in terms of accuracy than something like the AR, as it becomes more accurate over time rather than less. Proficiency could very well be giving a different kind of bonus altogether.

AFAIK all proficiency skills keep the damage bonus. This change really hangs on an increase in slots and fitting resources for heavies.

Confirm/Deny?

e: Also SISI doesn't show anything besides descriptions. No info on specific stat changes.

AFAIK all proficiency skills keep the damage bonus. This change really hangs on an increase in slots and fitting resources for heavies.

Confirm/Deny?

e: Also SISI doesn't show anything besides descriptions. No info on specific stat changes.

Not a skill; just a change in base stats.

You know... Like heavies having more than 2 low slots in Uprising.

Aaaah... I don't know man. I'm waiting on the patch notes for confirmation on things mentioned above.

Not a skill; just a change in base stats.

You know... Like heavies having more than 2 low slots in Uprising.

There are no buffs. Heres the proof, he says only turret and turret proficeiency are keeping the extra damage. Suit prices are "normalized" wich can mean there going to be priced "fairly" (wich will unfairly be twice the cost of anything else) or stay as normal thus far (wich is so far "normal" at 3 times the cost of other suits) and our weapons are hard to fit. proto hmgs and forge guns are over 120 CPU to fit. now skills are making mods harder to to fit, so were not using proto weapons any time soon. too hard and expensive to fit!

That's why I asked, in hopes that Iron Wolf could spread some light

Range isn't getting nerfed. Heavys should have all the range they do now, when the new HMG sharpshooter is skilled properly. The sharpshooter change has nothing to do with reducing the range of any weapon. It is simply swapping the current function of sharpshooter (bullet flight time increase) for a dispersion decrease given a max posible range. Functionally, there should be very very little difference between how the skill works now and how it will work post uprising.

Range isn't getting nerfed. Heavys should have all the range they do now, when the new HMG sharpshooter is skilled properly. The sharpshooter change has nothing to do with reducing the range of any weapon. It is simply swapping the current function of sharpshooter (bullet flight time increase) for a dispersion decrease given a max posible range. Functionally, there should be very very little difference between how the skill works now and how it will work post uprising.

I specifically asked if the suit was getting any modified slot count and Iron Wolf did not answer. That means the dev did not answer because he dident want to give bad news to the heavys. If they were making the suit better than the devs would have answered cuz that would make the players happy. He dident asnwer so its nothing positive

That's some really heavy duty tinfoil you're wearing. Shame it's all aluminium and not actual tin.

That's some really heavy duty tinfoil you're wearing. Shame it's all aluminium and not actual tin.

Call it what you like. There is ZERO hope for the heavy and ive laid the proof there for you. Argue about the facts, the "CCP rebalencing the heavy suit" but thats how their doing it^^^ you say im wearing foil. I say im being realistic

Call it what you like. There is ZERO hope for the heavy and ive laid the proof there for you. Argue about the facts, the "CCP rebalencing the heavy suit" but thats how their doing it^^^ you say im wearing foil. I say im being realistic

You do know that the logi's have a bunch of equipment they have to buy and spec into right.? Less gear = Less expenses. Fact is my medium tier heavy fittings cost about the same as my medium tier logi fittings. And my logistuff probably cost the same in sp requirements.

Logi does not cost the same SP requirements. you have equipment to skill into and we have forge guns and HMGs. count whatever your costs are heavys are more expensive. Also, logis can have a vk1 suit with the MOST slots in the game (a very impressive 13!) that can run faster than a SCOUT and have 1000 effective HP AND have 3 equipment slots. Yes, all in one suit! Your suit is waaaaay better than a heavys, shame on you for throwing a poor logi post on a doomsday to heavys thread. Here, watch this:
Heavy VK1 slots: 3 high/ 2 low/ sidearm/ heavyslot/ grenade. Total of 8
Logi vk1 slots: 4 high/ 4 low/ 3 equipment/ 1grenade/ 1 small slot. total of 13. VK0 is the same but 4 equipment slots instead!
Logi VK1 can be fastest suit in the game. Heavy is the slowist.
Logi can have jus as much sheilds as more than heavy.
Logi can do more damage over a greater distance than a heavy.
Logi has more ways to get WP than killing. Heavy does not.

Heavy VK1- 246,000
HMG proto-118,700-171,500 depending on variant
Mods, sidearm, grenades. lets say another 80k. mods are easly 10k+ a peice for complex and sidearms can get to 30k+ grenades get as expensive as 18k+ 80k is reasonable
Total:444,700-497500
Sooo how expensive is your logi hmmm? do i want 4 lives in the finist ****** suit in the game or a nice surya, sagaris... hmmm thats tough. really is

Its not about weapons having reduced range, its about not being able to increase it. HMGS lack the effective range past point blank. its pretty bad. The sharpshooter diffrence in better accuracy wont matter when your PROTO 17.6 damage per shot is reduced to 8 damage per shot because the enemy is 40 meters away. No matter how many hits you score, the far too comon AR or laser rifle will mess your day up 6 ways to Caldari Prime before you drop their sheilds half way.
EDIT:Sorry i was mistaken, lance pointed out that only the AR and SMG are going to benifit from the increased accuracy of sharpshooter. So were doing no damage at mid to long range AND not hitting. keeps getting better and better...

Logi does not cost the same SP requirements. you have equipment to skill into and we have forge guns and HMGs. count whatever your costs are heavys are more expensive. Also, logis can have a vk1 suit with the MOST slots in the game (a very impressive 13!) that can run faster than a SCOUT and have 1000 effective HP AND have 3 equipment slots. Yes, all in one suit! Your suit is waaaaay better than a heavys, shame on you for throwing a poor logi post on a doomsday to heavys thread. Here, watch this:
Heavy VK1 slots: 3 high/ 2 low/ sidearm/ heavyslot/ grenade. Total of 8
Logi vk1 slots: 4 high/ 4 low/ 3 equipment/ 1grenade/ 1 small slot. total of 13. VK0 is the same but 4 equipment slots instead!
Logi VK1 can be fastest suit in the game. Heavy is the slowist.
Logi can have jus as much sheilds as more than heavy.
Logi can do more damage over a greater distance than a heavy.
Logi has more ways to get WP than killing. Heavy does not.

Heavy VK1- 246,000
HMG proto-118,700-171,500 depending on variant
Mods, sidearm, grenades. lets say another 80k. mods are easly 10k+ a peice for complex and sidearms can get to 30k+ grenades get as expensive as 18k+ 80k is reasonable
Total:444,700-497500
Sooo how expensive is your logi hmmm? do i want 4 lives in the finist ****** suit in the game or a nice surya, sagaris... hmmm thats tough. really is

I see you're ignoring the fact that hundreds of tweaks are inbound

yeah, please tell us how expensive the proto logi suit gets when you fit everything with proto modules
your comparison is also flawed because logi has only 1 weapon slot and cannot fit heavy weapons. it is simple, you pay a tax to be able to fit the most powerful weapons. you do not like it? then dont use a heavy.

oh and please tell me where you all buy the magic crystal balls that allow you to see what happens in the future, I would like to get one too.

Only the AR and SMG is getting the Sharpshooter skill, and it doesn't affect range.

No other weapon is getting that skill in Uprising.

nahh i have my proof posts before this. ignoring things is dumb and im very satisfied with how heavys have been and are now. Its great! But to ignore the possible tweaks and ***** about what is going to happen? thats dumb. Ive done my homework check it out

Lol it doesent. put up the numbers like i did and see if your suit compares. the other 2 doesent

Hay man don't talk to me about numbers. I'm proto scout. You really want to see who's numbers stack up better?

CCP hates the heavy, so you guys might as well just switch to a medium frame suit like they want you to do.

oh and please tell me where you all buy the magic crystal balls that allow you to see what happens in the future, I would like to get one too.

Example is right, based on the information we have heavys are boned.

I've been fearing this since the first thread Iron Wolf posted with info from SISI.

Call it what you like. There is ZERO hope for the heavy and ive laid the proof there for you. Argue about the facts, the "CCP rebalencing the heavy suit" but thats how their doing it^^^ you say im wearing foil. I say im being realistic

Hay man don't talk to me about numbers. I'm proto scout. You really want to see who's numbers stack up better?

What are you complaining about? I am honestly confused here. Are you under the impression that the HMG will some how have less max posible range than it does now (i.e. max sharpshooter skill as it stands now)? Are you inferring that the HMG will somehow have the range it does now with sharpshooter unskilled? I find This extremely difficult to believe. Upon what are you bashing this assumption?

Yeah i count 2 naive points, 3 math points, 1 try hard point, 4 boo whoo scouts points, and no points for no fucks given on this heavy thread. redeemable for exciting cash and prizes!

What are you complaining about? I am honestly confused here. Are you under the impression that the HMG will some how have less max posible range than it does now (i.e. max sharpshooter skill as it stands now)? Are you inferring that the HMG will somehow have the range it does now with sharpshooter unskilled? I find This extremely difficult to believe. Upon what are you basing this assumption?

All i know is the best dudes in this game run a heavy suits, So it definitely isnt underpowered.

Yeah i count 2 naive points, 3 math points, 1 try hard point, 4 boo whoo scouts points, and no points for no fucks given on this heavy thread. redeemable for exciting cash and prizes!

What are you complaining about? I am honestly confused here. Are you under the impression that the HMG will some how have less max posible range than it does now (i.e. max sharpshooter skill as it stands now)? Are you inferring that the HMG will somehow have the range it does now with sharpshooter unskilled? I find This extremely difficult to believe. Upon what are you bashing this assumption?

Take a deep breath. Stop your bottom lip and chin from trembling and answer my question:

Take a deep breath. Stop your bottom lip and chin from trembling and answer my question:

If it is true that Weaponry does not increase damage and sharpshooter only reduces kick and or spread I think we will see a new kind of game May 6th.

Longer lasting fights with closer combat range. It is going to be interesting to see how this turns out!!

Finally LR has a unique niche, it could previously be outranged by AR.

Heavies will still pwn in close range. If that is not your playstile adapt or die!

This is not what I asked for. Present me with proof that the HMG will suffer from this ultra game braking nerf you are alluding to (something that I find it VERY difficult to believe will ever happen). Or STFU until uprising cometh.

Or STFU until uprising cometh.

tears overflow

I did present PROOF but you dident understand it for some reason. reread the beggining posts were irion wolf quoted the devs for answers, my math throughout the thread, and my OP. I cannot quote all of them in one post

Dude I have read all of the posts in this thread, and all I have seen so far is you call out doomsday visions that, apparently, you have glimsed from your crystal ball.

u havent laid proof till u actually play the new build and see for urself
we dont know all the skills that are there

AFAIK none increase range anymore so everygun has a set range so how is only the hmg suffering?
besides decreasing spread makes alot more sense than increasing range for HMG

the "OP" comments all came because of Sharpshooter making the shotgun and hmg hit alot further than they should.

PS: CCP can also easily change the optimal ranges for every weapon since they removing the range skill so most likely all guns will have a higher optimal range so again u dont really know or shown any proof

I'm waiting for actual patch notes, Maple.

I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong, but It's not going to benefit me to get this worked up when we're looking at less than 1/4th of the total painted picture. There could be any number of unlisted changes that completely change our viability against the other suits.

If heavies ARE actually boned, well, we have a respec on the way. I've played Eve for years and I've gotten pretty good at adapting to sudden extreme changes.

You have no proof Maple. Just some speculation based on a few known facts that you are choosing to buy into and get worked up over.

Set it down for now. If, after the 6th, everything really IS doom and gloom.... well, go nuts. I'll be right there with you.

But this isn't serving you right now.

You have no proof Maple. Just some speculation based on a few known facts that you are choosing to buy into and get worked up over.

Set it down for now. If, after the 6th, everything really IS doom and gloom.... well, go nuts. I'll be right there with you.

But this isn't serving you right now.

Aside from prices of suits:

HMG is for close-mid range battles with high DPS and clip
Shotgun is strictly for CQC with highest DPS
MD has lower DPS for splash only but it's meant for crowd control
AR is for mid-long range with decent DPS but can only handle 1-2 strong targets before reloading

Consider specializing into AR next build even with the lack of equipment.

The Negative Feed back alliance looks down at heavys because they suck. All heavys everywere agree that heavys suck. Ssrly. heavys now i dont think they suck. they sure will come the 6th

I don't know why the heavies are surprised by this.

Dust is all about the AR, and making sure that the assault troops are the complete focus of the game.

Thankfully I have an ALT that will have enough SP to be relevant in the assault class come May 6th, so that I can wait and see how the heavies actually work before I spec this character into them. No sense wasting SP on a dead class.

To top it all off, much like the swarm launcher, the plasma cannon is going to be a light weapon for all classes to use and much like the forge gun, its going to be a hybrid weapon (effective against sheilds and armor) with dumbfire capabiltys. Unlike the forge gun it will be dirt cheap because it is NOT heavy exclusive gear and thus will be used in place of forge guns.

Crystal Ball defense, huh? While it is true we're not even really sure how much of the content has been spilled for us to theorycraft with - the thing we know for a fact is that passive skills have kept heavies competitive in non-restricted corp matches much more so then it effects other classes. Threads like these showing major concern over it - seem neccesary to me. How can we not complain that everything we understand about our class is being turned on it's head with SP skill change and no details about our suit and weapons base stat changes to reflect the SP changes?

CCP has a track record of ignoring our plight that could take them a VERY short time to fix. How long has heavy proto been broken? How long have heavies had to switch out of there fat suit because they wanted to keep up with there friends and not camp an objective that may never be attacked


"But Heavies should be defensive!" What happened to options and sandbox? I thought I could make my own perfect soldier - guess I was wrong and CCP has my role set out for me.

A. All weapons are rebalanced, what you're basing your claims upon aren't true.
B. An HMG isn't supposed to be effective above close-medium range.
Its a ******* spray gun, dafuq do you want.

In conclusion, wait for May 6th and stop whining.

They ignore half the game, don't feel special. They keep turning every class up on its head because they don't know what they want to do with the game. That is what happens when someone makes a FPS and has no experience with it.

As for keeping up with your friends with movement, do you really expect the fat kid to keep up with the fit kids?

Has anyone even complained about the HMG?

Close yes, medium, no. If there's no sharpshooter, and the range of the HMG is where it starts at with no SS.

There would be no heavies then. We're only resigned to camping an objective? lol...no WP, no ISK. A heavy's only job is to kill, and with no kills to be had unless camping, they will disappear.

Spray and pray? I hope you use the heavy class and use that "tactic" against a good heavy, and see where that gets you. Good heavies have good aim.

My point in all this, is if there's no sharpshooter, there has to be a skill to reduce bullet spread. Even though the HMG has a higher DPS than most weapons, guess what, IT MISSES ALLOT OF HITS DUE TO BULLET SPREAD.

People that actually use the class will know this. They will also know that without SS, there is no medium range. I said I'll wait till May 6th to see what they have to offer, till then I only speculate.

My speculation leads me to believe that heavies will get so little kills, they would drop the class, and convert to the only class that matters in this game, the Assault class.

I'm hoping CCP gives the HMG a good enough range.

Sota Pop and i were discussing the changes to the skills next build and looked down at it for our belovid heavy class. We found sharpshooter no longer giving ranged bonuses cripples the HMG into a bigger SMG for short ranged engagements only. The HMG did benefit very well from the range bonus with how bullet falloff works (bullet damage over distance). Also, there will be no passive skills to increase weapon damage. The HMG is a spam cannon and relies on the buffs to make each shot hit hard, wich it wont anymore. So in conclusion, the HMG double wont do damage or even reach at distance, and wont chew through suits nearly as well. Between assult suit strafing and their 450+ most heavys are soloed by assult players at point blank. That is were a heavy is best and its happening now with the skills giving the HMG the bonuses it needs! Its still not working! Of course heavys generally get out gunned at mid to long range but that jus adds to the promblem. What is left for a heavy when these skills are taken away? Heavys will need B series or protosuits for pubs. The heavy will be 3 times as expensive to die 3 times quicker. If they moderate the prices on heavy gear wel be twice as expensive and still out DPS'ed, out ranged, out manuvered, and left to with only our butthurt because we have no more money to buy our gear nor SP sence heavy is THE most SP intensive class.

To top it all off, much like the swarm launcher, the plasma cannon is going to be a light weapon for all classes to use and much like the forge gun, its going to be a hybrid weapon (effective against sheilds and armor) with dumbfire capabiltys. Unlike the forge gun it will be dirt cheap because it is NOT heavy exclusive gear and thus will be used in place of forge guns. So the hmg sucks and heavys arnt needed for desinated AV any longer.

What im saying is, there is no reason to play heavy. Ifyou want lots of HP stack 4 complex sheild mods on an assult suit and skill up sheild controle to lv 5. over 500 sheilds, MORE than most heavys. Stack 2 or 3 complex armor extenders and you will have close or over 1100 effective HP and still be more mobile than a heavy. Your AR will outrange and out DPS them too. You also have equipment slots for 1/2 to 1/3 the price of the equvilant heavy suit. Also spent less SP on your superior class and fit. There is no reason for anyone to play heavy come uprising.

*There is no insentive to play heavy*

Close - medium = between close and medium, not from close to medium.
And I didn't say spray and pray, I said spary.
This weapon has a pretty big cone of fire, hence its a spray weapon.
Also, who says they didn't change the weapon it self?

Enough doom saying, wait till May 6th then complain.

What's up gang! You know I've been reading this thread for about 10 minutes now guys and the way I see it, things don't look all that bad for us so I'm gonna hit you guys from another angle with some straight talk.

Let's talk about the lack of sharpshooter skills for the heavy machine gun guys. Well here's the thing dude: the sharshooter skill, as we know it, will be the first thing that goes extinct when Uprising hits us! What I mean with that guys is that no matter which is your weapon of choice, you won't be increasing your range anytime soon guys. I don't care if you're a scout like I am, a caldari assault, a heavy, let me tell you right now: you're **** out of luck when it comes to increasing your range bro.

The other things that I've heard people say is that heavy is slow, heavy is only good at close quarters, a heavy cannot keep up with war points and kills. Well if you know anything about me guys you know exactly what I'm about to say man and here's how i'm gonna lay it down for you: Perhaps SOME of you guys have picked the wrong suit for your play style? "Oh but Ric CCP has promised me a sandbox where I can create my own super soldier!"
Well ****.... I'm gonna suggest you guys go out there, put your thinking cap on and figure out the goal you wanna reach and pick the right tool for that!

I mean when I wanna make a baby I'm not gonna use a condom!

you must be new around here

So the hmg sucks and heavys arnt needed for desinated AV any longer.

Since when did heavies actually spec into AV? 99% of them are anti-infantry, most AV on the field is from assault players who's suits weren't designed for it. The only AV I see from heavies is when they are forge sniping infantry players, and there also happens to be a vehicle on the enemy team that the forge sniper will temporarily shift focus on (maybe).

Heavies and AV... LOL. Stats probably show scouts doing more AV than you guys.

Bitter? Yes. Tired of playing ambush and going up against 1-3 tanks on the enemy team, and no heavy on our team does a thing about it. So I end up having to waste the entire match hunting these tanks down, getting meaningless deaths from the tanks and other infantry players (since I am defenseless with only a crap sidearm and very little health), losing ISK, and 90% of the time never get a single kill. End of the match I get extremely poor ISK, SP and a nice dent on my KDR. All because I had to take up the slack of heavies who weren't doing what their suits were designed to do, as they would rather farm infantry with their precious HMG.

Sorry, but I won't shed a single tear for heavies in Uprising who no longer have the ability to increase their range or get skill based damage buffs to the HMG. Personally I am getting tired of getting sniped from across the map by HMG's that get more accurate with increased fire, while my AR gets horribly inaccurate and kicks like an insane mule on crack that also had been kicked in the nads, several times. Not to mention all the militia forge snipers that take nearly zero SP to spec into yet can take out any suit in the game in one hit.

Sorry maple looks like its scout shotty time again :D

I will stick with the heavy

I would use nova knives over a shotgun after uprising, shotgun is only good because of SS

I would use nova knives over a shotgun after uprising, shotgun is only good because of SS

If nobody else will have Sharpshooter, then wouldn't it be an even exchange in range distance?
If everybody skills into Weaponry 5 and Sharpshooter (like they should) then we'd all be doing the same thing, just 20% farther away with 10% faster kills.

Except, it seem that AR and SMG got to keep their SS bonus. In other word, SMG and AR got buffed (again).
If this is true........

Hey AR Why U so special ??

hey warlord your a very respected and skilled heavy. whats your opinion

hey warlord your a very respected and skilled heavy. whats your opinion

I got a question will the AR and SMG have SS?

I've heard that there is a shooting skill of some type staying in for those two weapons, but it's supposed to be spread reduction, not range.

I'm personally speccing back into Logi during Uprising. As much as I love the Forge Gun, I felt like I was actually being an asset to my team when I was acting as combat medic.

And the HMG just makes me rage endlessly. I'm sick of that thing.

Sweet, what is wrong with the HMG?

The + damage and + range skills were some of the biggest contributors to the breaking of this game. I am glad that they are going away and I will still play my heavy on CQB maps. Now they need to start work on damage mod stacking penalties and hit detection.

Sweet, what is wrong with the HMG?

If nobody else will have Sharpshooter, then wouldn't it be an even exchange in range distance?
If everybody skills into Weaponry 5 and Sharpshooter (like they should) then we'd all be doing the same thing, just 20% farther away with 10% faster kills.

I point it at an enemy well within my effective range, and then all the bullets go around them. By the time the thing actually focuses and kills them, I'm at a third of my armor because they can actually aim at me.

And the thing isn't any good in close quarters if your enemy is competent because they know that if they don't want to get shot, all they have to do is walk to the left and then I can't turn fast enough. It's just frustrating.

Weaponry doesn't increase damage or unlock damage mods anymore, it only unlocks weapons. Speaking of which, has anyone seen anything on damage mods? Are they getting taken out of the game like they should?

the only think I have trouble with is the shotgun, what do you have on your suit?

What level is the HMG at?

The only AV I see from heavies is when they are forge sniping infantry players, and there also happens to be a vehicle on the enemy team that the forge sniper will temporarily shift focus on (maybe).

I actually don't have a lot of trouble with the shotgun. If they kill me with that then it's usually my own fault.

I run damage mods and a repper.

I'd run plates and shield mods, but logi support is too spotty and I can't kill anything at any kind of speed without the damage mods.

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I think more shields is but that is just me

I only run type-II.

I can't find a way to make the type-B worth it, ISK wise.

Ouch

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So your other angle is to tell us sharpshooter is no longer in the game... and we should adapt... my gawd! With such knowledge, you must surely know the meaning of life!

Please, tell us why we are here?!! l

I'm sorry, I didn't know how else to reply to this. This whole "learn to adapt" and "learn to play your class / role" is not the point. Pretty sure the heavies that are concerned about this, have been playing their class for quite some time, so it's not a matter of learning to adapt, it's a matter of being concerned about what's going to happen to a class that's already been nerfed hard in the past, and is still cried about by the community.

We're speculating and discussing. Saying that some heavies in here chose the wrong suit comes across as an insult tbh. I know some of these heavies, and know some are among the best in the game. So you're saying they chose the wrong class?

Weaponry doesn't increase damage or unlock damage mods anymore, it only unlocks weapons. Speaking of which, has anyone seen anything on damage mods? Are they getting taken out of the game like they should?

I've heard that there is a shooting skill of some type staying in for those two weapons, but it's supposed to be spread reduction, not range.

I'm personally speccing back into Logi during Uprising. As much as I love the Forge Gun, I felt like I was actually being an asset to my team when I was acting as combat medic.

And the HMG just makes me rage endlessly. I'm sick of that thing.

The only problem that I am seeing wit the Heavy Machine Gun is this
HEAVY MACHINE GUN OPERATON LEVEL 5
HEAVY WEAPON SHARPSHOOTER LEVEL 5
HEAVY MACHINE GUN PROFICIENCY LEVEL 5

Targets are still standing. All you see are these blue flairs and sounds like broken glass. Does not even do a dent of damage to theirs shields and armor. When you have HEAVY WEAPON CAPACITY at LEVEL 2 and you have use half of your ammo on one person, their is really something wrong here. Does not matter what you use what prototype you use.
Boundless Heavy Machine gun for all around action.
Freedom assault Heavy machine gun. to shoot far targets
Six kin Burst Heavy machine gun for those shorts burst that should kill a person, yet does not.
I can go on about the Advanced Machine guns like the MH-82 and the standard Heavy Machine gun too. Why waist time and skill points on items that are not working properly.

Sota Pop and i were discussing the changes to the skills next build and looked down at it for our belovid heavy class. We found sharpshooter no longer giving ranged bonuses cripples the HMG into a bigger SMG for short ranged engagements only. The HMG did benefit very well from the range bonus with how bullet falloff works (bullet damage over distance). Also, there will be no passive skills to increase weapon damage. The HMG is a spam cannon and relies on the buffs to make each shot hit hard, wich it wont anymore. So in conclusion, the HMG double wont do damage or even reach at distance, and wont chew through suits nearly as well. Between assult suit strafing and their 450+ most heavys are soloed by assult players at point blank. That is were a heavy is best and its happening now with the skills giving the HMG the bonuses it needs! Its still not working! Of course heavys generally get out gunned at mid to long range but that jus adds to the promblem. What is left for a heavy when these skills are taken away? Heavys will need B series or protosuits for pubs. The heavy will be 3 times as expensive to die 3 times quicker. If they moderate the prices on heavy gear wel be twice as expensive and still out DPS'ed, out ranged, out manuvered, and left to with only our butthurt because we have no more money to buy our gear nor SP sence heavy is THE most SP intensive class.

To top it all off, much like the swarm launcher, the plasma cannon is going to be a light weapon for all classes to use and much like the forge gun, its going to be a hybrid weapon (effective against sheilds and armor) with dumbfire capabiltys. Unlike the forge gun it will be dirt cheap because it is NOT heavy exclusive gear and thus will be used in place of forge guns. So the hmg sucks and heavys arnt needed for desinated AV any longer.

What im saying is, there is no reason to play heavy. Ifyou want lots of HP stack 4 complex sheild mods on an assult suit and skill up sheild controle to lv 5. over 500 sheilds, MORE than most heavys. Stack 2 or 3 complex armor extenders and you will have close or over 1100 effective HP and still be more mobile than a heavy. Your AR will outrange and out DPS them too. You also have equipment slots for 1/2 to 1/3 the price of the equvilant heavy suit. Also spent less SP on your superior class and fit. There is no reason for anyone to play heavy come uprising.

*There is no insentive to play heavy*

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Sota Pop and i were discussing the changes to the skills next build and looked down at it for our belovid heavy class. We found sharpshooter no longer giving ranged bonuses cripples the HMG into a bigger SMG for short ranged engagements only. The HMG did benefit very well from the range bonus with how bullet falloff works (bullet damage over distance). Also, there will be no passive skills to increase weapon damage. The HMG is a spam cannon and relies on the buffs to make each shot hit hard, wich it wont anymore. So in conclusion, the HMG double wont do damage or even reach at distance, and wont chew through suits nearly as well. Between assult suit strafing and their 450+ most heavys are soloed by assult players at point blank. That is were a heavy is best and its happening now with the skills giving the HMG the bonuses it needs! Its still not working! Of course heavys generally get out gunned at mid to long range but that jus adds to the promblem. What is left for a heavy when these skills are taken away? Heavys will need B series or protosuits for pubs. The heavy will be 3 times as expensive to die 3 times quicker. If they moderate the prices on heavy gear wel be twice as expensive and still out DPS'ed, out ranged, out manuvered, and left to with only our butthurt because we have no more money to buy our gear nor SP sence heavy is THE most SP intensive class.

To top it all off, much like the swarm launcher, the plasma cannon is going to be a light weapon for all classes to use and much like the forge gun, its going to be a hybrid weapon (effective against sheilds and armor) with dumbfire capabiltys. Unlike the forge gun it will be dirt cheap because it is NOT heavy exclusive gear and thus will be used in place of forge guns. So the hmg sucks and heavys arnt needed for desinated AV any longer.

What im saying is, there is no reason to play heavy. Ifyou want lots of HP stack 4 complex sheild mods on an assult suit and skill up sheild controle to lv 5. over 500 sheilds, MORE than most heavys. Stack 2 or 3 complex armor extenders and you will have close or over 1100 effective HP and still be more mobile than a heavy. Your AR will outrange and out DPS them too. You also have equipment slots for 1/2 to 1/3 the price of the equvilant heavy suit. Also spent less SP on your superior class and fit. There is no reason for anyone to play heavy come uprising.

*There is no insentive to play heavy*

I've been saying this for a while on the forums. Heavies are slowly getting more and more useless and other classes get stronger cuz their proto suits are actually good. How can heavies be competitive when their proto suits = a Heavy B series basically but cost 250k isk a pop. Does not make sense.

Not to mention the HMG. People cry soooo much about it, but in a competitive environment you see how weak it is. What makes it weak is the bullet dispersion, or bullet spread. Yeah the stats says it does "x" amount of dps, but in reality ALLOT of bullets miss the target. Not saying it needs a dmg buff, but the bullet spread is ridic. So while you're shooting a guy, bullets are missing even though your aim is fixed on him, you're missing, and in a competitive situation, missing = death... while the AR is NOT missing.

I know CCP said they were going to re-balance the class. So I'm hoping they balance it where Heavy Proto suit is actually useful or for the very least AFFORDABLE.

I share Maple's frustration, and so do the majority of heavies that know what might come down. If the class is nerfed further, then you might not see any heavy HMG out on the battlefield. Just does not make sense to invest time and SP into a class that's gonna fail.

I'll wait and see... I'm hoping CCP finds a good balance, and for goodness sake give us a skill to lower bullet spread...otherwise, LOLheavies. May as well point your finger and laugh when you see one in Uprising.