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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 11489	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:22:00 - [1] - Quote [PART 1: Rifles] Each race's main rifle is supposed to have a different kind of behavior (assault, breach, burst, tactical) as its base variant. Scrambler rifle is base tactical, assault rifle is base assault, combat rifle is base burst, and rail rifle is base breach. In addition to each base variant, they are each supposed to get variants to mimic the other race's rifles. For example: the rail rifle has an assault variant to mimic the assault rifle, the assault rifle has a burst variant to mimic the combat rifle, etc. This information is from a CCP developer, CCP Remnant. Here is a link. Each rifle was supposed to eventually have a variant to mimic the others, though right now most of them only have assault variants. Right now this plan has been left abandoned, and incomplete. The Gallente assault rifle has all variants, while the other race's rifles have only the assault variants. I would like the plan to be fully realized by adding the missing variants via hotfixes. The missing variants are as follows: Burst scrambler rifle Breach scrambler rifle Burst rail rifle Tactical rail rifle Breach combat rifle Tactical combat rifle Given how great a job CCP Rattati did with rifle balance with a hotfix, I think this is feasible. [PART 2: Filling in for missing content] Dust 514 launched with poor racial parity, but with the intention of filling in the missing racial variants with later updates. 1.7 and 1.8 filled in a lot of the missing racial variants, adding all missing racial rifles and dropsuits, and introducing a few racial sidearms. The transition from Dust development to Legion development however means that 1.8 is likely the very last update to Dust that brought fresh new items. In light of this, it is clear we will never get the following: Gallente SMG Amarr SMG Amarr light AV weapon Minmatar light AV weapon Minmatar, Amarr, and Caldari, close range light weapon (like shotgun) Gallente and Minmatar long range light weapon (like sniper rifle or laser rifle) Minmatar, Amarr, and Gallente knives that were shown in concept art (like nova knives) Minmatar and Amarr vehicles that were shown in concept art. I believe that a lot of these (but not all) could be filled in by creating new variants of existing weapons. Gallente ion pistol should get a variant that behaves exactly like an SMG Amarr scrambler pistol should get a variant that behaves exactly like an SMG Minmatar mass driver should either gain full damage to vehicles, or a new variant specifically for vehicle damage should be created. Amarr laser rifle should get an AV variant that does full damage to vehicles. These could breathe a lot of new life into the game. [OTHER: Dropsuits] I would also like different dropsuit variants. They could have different buffs and debuffs (like maybe built-in +5% damage bonus to weapons, but take 5% more damage from enemies), different module slot layouts, different equipment slot counts, base HP, E-WAR stats, etc. Colors could be lore inspired, for example, Minmatar special dropsuit variants could be named and colored based on different tribes similar to these ships. Caldari suits could be named and colored based on the different Caldari megacorporations that make up the state. Amarr ones could be based on the different noble families (Kador, etc), or even have stuff based off the Khanid Kingdom. This is basically a rough idea with nothing specific, but though I should throw it out there Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
The-Errorist SVER True Blood 800	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:37:00 - [2] - Quote I would really like a burst scrambler rifle and other rifle variants; stuff like this are long overdue. Also how you propose would we should be able to acquire these dropsuit variants? MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill. http://vimeo.com/93181621
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 713	Posted - 2014.08.16 20:18:00 - [3] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: [*] Minmatar mass driver should either gain full damage to vehicles, or a new variant specifically for vehicle damage should be created. I've discussed a hotfix-able Minmatar-like AV weapon here. With numbers and arguments and stuff.
The Eristic Dust 90210 616	Posted - 2014.08.16 21:10:00 - [4] - Quote We need all those variants (including existing ones) at Op II, as well. Why is there no basic Burst and Tac AR, Assault ScR/RR/CR, et cetera? They would make the low meta level game more diverse. It's not very practical being forced to run a 20k Op IV weapon on my basic fitting if I want to experiment with a variant because there's no less expensive alternative, both ISK-wise and CPU/PG-wise. Totally on board with AV MD and LR. PlC and LR could easily have heavy weapon variants to offer Gal and Amarr options, too. For the Amarr SMG, I'd like to see a Scrambler Pistol that works like a small laser rifle, rather than a traditional auto fire mode. Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that.
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11761	Posted - 2014.08.16 21:41:00 - [5] - Quote Yes, all of these can be done without a patch, but would help a lot. Not sure about the skins actually, might require a patch. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11761	Posted - 2014.08.16 21:43:00 - [6] - Quote Also, Breach AR isn't mimicking the RR. Both the burst and tac have more range when RR is supposed to have the most, hence the breach should have the most range of the plasma rifles. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 11492	Posted - 2014.08.17 00:10:00 - [7] - Quote More variant ideas welcomed. Would love a Krusual tribe assault suit. Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance 310	Posted - 2014.08.17 13:53:00 - [8] - Quote You left out the missing heavy weapons. i'd suggest: a heavy scrambler cannon, works like a forge gun charges up for serious damage. has the option to fire quicker for lighter damage/infantry fire. overheats quickly in rapid fire. has opposite damage profile to forge gun (armour/shields) doesn't do as much damage as the forge gun but charges up quicker A heavy plasma gun. could be like a hmg but uses a heavier form of the assault rifle profile, is more accurate but has less rate of fire? or it could be another forge gun type weapon and use the template of the plc, possibly fires faster projectiles, higher ammo count than the plc, projectile fires further (reasoning that the heavy design of the weapon allows it to fire more shots without melting and can hold more pressure) if we use exiting weapons but exaggerate their profiles it may not need as much of an update. but i think the artwork may need to be an actual update though.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 11493	Posted - 2014.08.17 17:59:00 - [9] - Quote Snake Sellors wrote: You left out the missing heavy weapons. i'd suggest: a heavy scrambler cannon, works like a forge gun charges up for serious damage. has the option to fire quicker for lighter damage/infantry fire. overheats quickly in rapid fire. has opposite damage profile to forge gun (armour/shields) doesn't do as much damage as the forge gun but charges up quicker A heavy plasma gun. could be like a hmg but uses a heavier form of the assault rifle profile, is more accurate but has less rate of fire? or it could be another forge gun type weapon and use the template of the plc, possibly fires faster projectiles, higher ammo count than the plc, projectile fires further (reasoning that the heavy design of the weapon allows it to fire more shots without melting and can hold more pressure) if we use exiting weapons but exaggerate their profiles it may not need as much of an update. but i think the artwork may need to be an actual update though. Yeah I forgot to mention missing heavy weapons, but I don't think its a good idea to use light weapon models for heavy weapons, will create too much confusion on the battlefield. Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 11493	Posted - 2014.08.17 22:56:00 - [10] - Quote Perhaps in hotfix echo Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9088	Posted - 2014.08.17 23:19:00 - [11] - Quote The skins could be possible now that CCP is evaluating how they will update the current collector-item suits that somehow lost their colors during the release of Uprising. This might be a good opportunity for CCP to use placeholder suits with varying stats and colors. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
The-Errorist SVER True Blood 800	Posted - 2014.08.18 17:43:00 - [12] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Also, Breach AR isn't mimicking the RR. Both the burst and tac have more range when RR is supposed to have the most, hence the breach should have the most range of the plasma rifles. Apparently you missed this; no variant of any of the assault rifles have more range than their base, so your statement is wrong an many ways. MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill. http://vimeo.com/93181621
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11789	Posted - 2014.08.18 18:09:00 - [13] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Also, Breach AR isn't mimicking the RR. Both the burst and tac have more range when RR is supposed to have the most, hence the breach should have the most range of the plasma rifles. Your statement is wrong an many ways. Apparently you missed this and that; basically CCP Rattati wrote: ...all Rifles of the same type now have the same range. For example, Gallente Assault Rifles all now have the same range, while all Gallente Breach Assault Rifles now also have the same range, and so on. But they don't? They all have their own ranges. Pretty sure that statement refers to the meta level of rifles. An STD and PRO rifle of the same type would have the same range. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance 325	Posted - 2014.08.18 20:07:00 - [14] - Quote you could be right but i was mostly using those as ideas in case it could make them more likely, it occurred to me as i was writing that the artwork alone would probably mean an update anyway.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 11503	Posted - 2014.08.23 01:19:00 - [15] - Quote Still want, the rifles at least are overdue Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 11508	Posted - 2014.09.02 16:45:00 - [16] - Quote /me hears crickets Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 732	Posted - 2014.09.02 18:01:00 - [17] - Quote Yes please, to all of the above. Alt of Halla Murr.
DarthJT5 12th Shadow Legion 117	Posted - 2014.09.02 18:48:00 - [18] - Quote Sure, if we get vehicle variation back as well. Tanks have it the worst in terms of variation, LAV's being second, DS third. Worry about vehicles having any variation at all before we worry about infantry getting even more variation. Dedicated Shield Tanking vet since Open Beta. Up and coming Python pilot. The awnser is always XT missiles....
Haerr Legio DXIV 1321	Posted - 2014.09.02 18:57:00 - [19] - Quote Assault Shotgun Burst Shotgun Charge Shotgun Tactical Shotgun Assault Assault Rifle Charge Assault Rifle Specialist Assault Rifle Assault Sniper Rifle Burst Sniper Rifle Breach Sniper Rifle Burst SMG Charge SMG Specialist SMG Tactical SMG Assault Plasma Cannon Breach Plasma Cannon Burst Plasma Cannon Charge Plasma Cannon Specialist Plasma Cannon Tactical Plasma Cannon hop to CCP ;) This SCOTTY has Super Cow Powers.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 11512	Posted - 2014.09.02 19:08:00 - [20] - Quote Haerr wrote: Assault Shotgun Burst Shotgun Charge Shotgun Tactical Shotgun Assault Assault Rifle Charge Assault Rifle Specialist Assault Rifle Assault Sniper Rifle Burst Sniper Rifle Breach Sniper Rifle Burst SMG Charge SMG Specialist SMG Tactical SMG Assault Plasma Cannon Breach Plasma Cannon Burst Plasma Cannon Charge Plasma Cannon Specialist Plasma Cannon Tactical Plasma Cannon hop to CCP ;) The assault rifle is already the assault variant, just like the scrambler rifle is already its tactical variant, and the combat rifle is already is own burst variant. The link in the OP will confirm this. Charge assault rifle would be too close to the SCR and already existing tactical assault rifle (since charge requires that it's semi-auto). Charge SMG makes no sense. Plasma cannon is already charge. Charge shotgun would great, I always wanted a shotgun with optional charge feature. The others would be nice. Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+

Boot Booter Pure Evil. 930	Posted - 2014.09.02 21:08:00 - [21] - Quote I think the rifles would be a great start. @ cat merc The breach AR definitely should have the longest range of all AR. Conceptually it's should go like this.. Increasing range & decreasing dps - - > Assault, burst, tactical, breach Blaster, projectile, laser, rail So that each weapon type has 4 variations. What happened to the repair tool glow? Why won't CCP answer? Conspiracy?
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 11534	Posted - 2014.09.23 19:50:00 - [22] - Quote I want things! Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
a brackers Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 50	Posted - 2014.09.23 19:55:00 - [23] - Quote I want to see these added Proto dropship pilot The sandbox shooter
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2154	Posted - 2014.09.23 21:13:00 - [24] - Quote Do want more weapon variants as well as the missing content. IDGAF about more dropsuits (at least until we are "feature complete" for what we all already know is missing). "Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth Logi for Hire


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