DUST Search - Rattatai ..concerning nerfs/buffs

Eko Sol wrote:

Smoky The Bear wrote:

I applaud the recent 180 in Dust listening to the people who are actually playing the game but..........

I fear that you are now falling into the meta-game trap.. People have noticed and will be actively playing..

There are SO MANY broken things that could be easily fixed, lets start addressing these instead of trying to figure our what to nerf next? this nerf/buff game is what got us where we are today imo.. People tend to not think about the big picture..

How bout this? instead of watching posts made by people who dont play the role, and are here trying to get nerfs for anything that dares kill them.. actively seek out the active "scouts/heavies/etc" and ask them what they think ? just a thought..

This is incorrect. There are people that have participated in threads that biomassed. In addition, there are people that have admitted to not playing for months who are also very active in the forums.

I, unfortunately, can't applaud Ratatti. I just can't do it. He isn't doing it correctly. He is listening to the loudest people and not to the people that actually play often. There should be more research. In addition, he is spear heading way too many changes that are happening way too quickly without gathering enough data.

Would you buy a house based on pictures on the internet and just predict that they were accurate or would you want to see the house?

There should be bug fixes only and then one or two balance changes per hotfix.

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Smoky The Bear THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo 140	Posted - 2014.06.24 22:35:00 - [1] - Quote I applaud the recent 180 in Dust listening to the people who are actually playing the game but.......... I fear that you are now falling into the meta-game trap.. People have noticed and will be actively playing.. There are SO MANY broken things that could be easily fixed, lets start addressing these instead of trying to figure our what to nerf next? this nerf/buff game is what got us where we are today imo.. People tend to not think about the big picture.. How bout this? instead of watching posts made by people who dont play the role, and are here trying to get nerfs for anything that dares kill them.. actively seek out the active "scouts/heavies/etc" and ask them what they think ? just a thought..
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 179	Posted - 2014.06.24 22:41:00 - [2] - Quote you make way too much sense....
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11125	Posted - 2014.06.24 22:42:00 - [3] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: I applaud the recent 180 in Dust listening to the people who are actually playing the game but.......... I fear that you are now falling into the meta-game trap.. People have noticed and will be actively playing.. There are SO MANY broken things that could be easily fixed, lets start addressing these instead of trying to figure our what to nerf next? this nerf/buff game is what got us where we are today imo.. People tend to not think about the big picture.. How bout this? instead of watching posts made by people who dont play the role, and are here trying to get nerfs for anything that dares kill them.. actively seek out the active "scouts/heavies/etc" and ask them what they think ? just a thought.. Then you only get feed back from each section which already has a bias for its own class. You intentionally are then looking for skewed data. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 14820	Posted - 2014.06.24 22:46:00 - [4] - Quote If you had actually read any of the feedback threads, you'd realise that the involved classes were telling Rattati exactly what they thought. The scouts were all over the scout change threads and helped guide the process. I expect very similar things to happen when another class ends up under the microscope. Quote: There are SO MANY broken things that could be easily fixed, lets start addressing these instead of trying to figure our what to nerf next? this nerf/buff game is what got us where we are today imo.. People tend to not think about the big picture.. What else is there to be done except nerfing and buffing? Fixing the 'broken things' is either balancing (i.e., nerfing/buffing) or using programming resources, which DUST doesn't seem to have. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Polka will never die.
Eko Sol Strange Playings 491	Posted - 2014.06.24 22:47:00 - [5] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: I applaud the recent 180 in Dust listening to the people who are actually playing the game but.......... I fear that you are now falling into the meta-game trap.. People have noticed and will be actively playing.. There are SO MANY broken things that could be easily fixed, lets start addressing these instead of trying to figure our what to nerf next? this nerf/buff game is what got us where we are today imo.. People tend to not think about the big picture.. How bout this? instead of watching posts made by people who dont play the role, and are here trying to get nerfs for anything that dares kill them.. actively seek out the active "scouts/heavies/etc" and ask them what they think ? just a thought.. This is incorrect. There are people that have participated in threads that biomassed. In addition, there are people that have admitted to not playing for months who are also very active in the forums. I, unfortunately, can't applaud Ratatti. I just can't do it. He isn't doing it correctly. He is listening to the loudest people and not to the people that actually play often. There should be more research. In addition, he is spear heading way too many changes that are happening way too quickly without gathering enough data. Would you buy a house based on pictures on the internet and just predict that they were accurate or would you want to see the house? There should be bug fixes only and then one or two balance changes per hotfix. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2904	Posted - 2014.06.24 22:51:00 - [6] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: I applaud the recent 180 in Dust listening to the people who are actually playing the game but.......... I fear that you are now falling into the meta-game trap.. People have noticed and will be actively playing.. There are SO MANY broken things that could be easily fixed, lets start addressing these instead of trying to figure our what to nerf next? this nerf/buff game is what got us where we are today imo.. People tend to not think about the big picture.. How bout this? instead of watching posts made by people who dont play the role, and are here trying to get nerfs for anything that dares kill them.. actively seek out the active "scouts/heavies/etc" and ask them what they think ? just a thought.. Ok let's ask the scouts what they think they should get? Well, cloaks should last much longer and have less shimmer and my passive scan needs improving, oh and don't reduce my ability to tank either I need that too Ok, let's ask heavies about their role? My suit doesn't have nearly enough health and my Close Quarters weapon doesn't have nearly enough range, oh and double the mag size and halve heat buildup Firstly, asking only for the opinions of those who play the role, is stupid alot of people are gonna say this could be buffed here or that could be buffed there. Secondly, ONLY if that person's role ONLY effects them should they have such a large majority of say. It's not just about how the person playing that role feels it's performing, it's how his enemy percieves that role as performing as well. The difficult part is cutting through the QQ and the name-calling, the posturing and so forth and getting the opinions that can be referenced amd backed-up. A fair assesment of a role requires listening to everyone that role effects not just the people that play it. Looks like its back to FPS Military Shooter 56 Monkey Mac - Just another pile of discarded ashes on the battlefield!
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2155	Posted - 2014.06.24 22:57:00 - [7] - Quote Out of curiosity, what changes in Hotfix Alpha/Bravo do you feel were unmerited or poor changes to make? Like my ideas? Pokey Dravon for CPM1
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2904	Posted - 2014.06.24 22:58:00 - [8] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: Smoky The Bear wrote: I applaud the recent 180 in Dust listening to the people who are actually playing the game but.......... I fear that you are now falling into the meta-game trap.. People have noticed and will be actively playing.. There are SO MANY broken things that could be easily fixed, lets start addressing these instead of trying to figure our what to nerf next? this nerf/buff game is what got us where we are today imo.. People tend to not think about the big picture.. How bout this? instead of watching posts made by people who dont play the role, and are here trying to get nerfs for anything that dares kill them.. actively seek out the active "scouts/heavies/etc" and ask them what they think ? just a thought.. This is incorrect. There are people that have participated in threads that biomassed. In addition, there are people that have admitted to not playing for months who are also very active in the forums. I, unfortunately, can't applaud Ratatti. I just can't do it. He isn't doing it correctly. He is listening to the loudest people and not to the people that actually play often. There should be more research. In addition, he is spear heading way too many changes that are happening way too quickly without gathering enough data. Would you buy a house based on pictures on the internet and just predict that they were accurate or would you want to see the house? There should be bug fixes only and then one or two balance changes per hotfix. This is a poor anology, Rattatai has months of ingame data at his disposal, not to memtion market data amd trends on top of our own opinions. He can see how the playing community plays and he can see how they react to the chamges he makes. People always feel that others listen to the loudest, however when it comes to opinions the reason it's the loudest is because it more often than not resomates with the voices of hundreds more people than its competitors. Looks like its back to FPS Military Shooter 56 Monkey Mac - Just another pile of discarded ashes on the battlefield!
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 504	Posted - 2014.06.24 23:20:00 - [9] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: He is listening to the loudest people and not to the people that actually play often. There should be more research. In addition, he is spear heading way too many changes that are happening way too quickly without gathering enough data There should be bug fixes only and then one or two balance changes per hotfix. As Monkey MAC said, Rattati has a lot more data at his disposal than we do, but he is also asking us to provide him with numbers in orderly formats (ie, spreadsheets.) He isn't just going, "Hey Joe Scout, you talk a lot! I will take your advice and implement free blowjobs for all prototype Scouts and nerf Heavies down to 400 EHP maximum!" He's taking community work on balancing numbers (ie, collaborative efforts to refine proposals) and then matching them to his data before making a decision. Not only that, but he returns to us, the community, and further refines the numbers. If he isn't happy with them at the end, he pulls them and holds on until later. Your concerns are pretty invalid.
Egonz4 386	Posted - 2014.06.24 23:24:00 - [10] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: I applaud the recent 180 in Dust listening to the people who are actually playing the game but.......... I fear that you are now falling into the meta-game trap.. People have noticed and will be actively playing.. There are SO MANY broken things that could be easily fixed, lets start addressing these instead of trying to figure our what to nerf next? this nerf/buff game is what got us where we are today imo.. People tend to not think about the big picture.. How bout this? instead of watching posts made by people who dont play the role, and are here trying to get nerfs for anything that dares kill them.. actively seek out the active "scouts/heavies/etc" and ask them what they think ? just a thought.. I agree...but the heavies are still a problem at the moment Master of The Flaylock

DEATH THE KlD Harem. King 9	Posted - 2014.06.24 23:27:00 - [11] - Quote Buff assaults first then tweak the other suits if needed.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15604	Posted - 2014.06.25 00:29:00 - [12] - Quote CCP Rattati is armed with quite a few tools at his own request and creations and disposal. Just sometimes something just doesn't stand out or make sense empirically and that's when he usually turns to the community for sense to the madness. For example despite being a very powerful rifle the scrambler is still highly unpopular in use and sales. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
Thurak1 Psygod9 786	Posted - 2014.06.25 02:00:00 - [13] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: CCP Rattati is armed with quite a few tools at his own request and creations and disposal. Just sometimes something just doesn't stand out or make sense empirically and that's when he usually turns to the community for sense to the madness. For example despite being a very powerful rifle the scrambler is still highly unpopular in use and sales. Probably because when it overheats you cant do a thing with it your just a sitting target unable to even switch to a sidearm.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 2128	Posted - 2014.06.25 02:05:00 - [14] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: CCP Rattati is armed with quite a few tools at his own request and creations and disposal. Just sometimes something just doesn't stand out or make sense empirically and that's when he usually turns to the community for sense to the madness. For example despite being a very powerful rifle the scrambler is still highly unpopular in use and sales. For me that is a fitting issue. I love the scrambler and would gladly trade it out for my CR. But the CR is much easier to fit and is only marginally worse than the ScR. This is how a minja feels


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