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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:53:00 -
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Remove active scanners, and make scouts vision like active scanners, only the range and precision is customizable via enhancers. This would encourage having at least one scout in a squad scouting for enemies, rather than a logistics suit scanning.
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One Eyed King
Eyniletti Rangers
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.12 21:17:00 -
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So buff everyone else too? No thank you. We are not your servants.
Nova knifing scout masochist. I would be a sadist, but CCP won't let me.
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Scheneighnay McBob
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.12 21:18:00 -
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No, that would be OP as hell.
And this is coming from a scout.
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Qn1f3
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.12 21:25:00 -
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The suits themselves should not have any specific abilities that is not tied to their modular build. The only difference should lie in the difference between slots, CPU/PG and all the stats bound to the suit itself.
And agreed, that would be terribly OP, also coming from a Scout. |
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
F.T.U.
IMMORTAL REGIME
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Posted - 2014.01.12 21:26:00 -
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how about:
1.) give all suits the same amount of pg/cpu. if a logi can have 5 highs AND 4 lows AND 3 equipment slots AND the most cpu/pg in the game, then why the hell does a scout have to have (excluding the commando) the least amount of slots and cpu?
2.) fix the bullshit mechanics that lead to bullshit death, such as the sprinting bug and lag.
i'm not sure about scanners. yeah, they are annoying, but a proto scout can avoid ADV scanners without modules and with 1 dampener can avoid all but the focused scanner, which almost nobody uses. i won't lie though, they are basically a cheat. see almost all enemies and the direction they're facing even through walls. now if that's not cheating, then i don't know what is.
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.01.12 21:40:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:how about:
1.) give all suits the same amount of pg/cpu. if a logi can have 5 highs AND 4 lows AND 3 equipment slots AND the most cpu/pg in the game, then why the hell does a scout have to have (excluding the commando) the least amount of slots and cpu?
2.) fix the bullshit mechanics that lead to bullshit death, such as the sprinting bug and lag.
i'm not sure about scanners. yeah, they are annoying, but a proto scout can avoid ADV scanners without modules and with 1 dampener can avoid all but the focused scanner, which almost nobody uses. i won't lie though, they are basically a cheat. see almost all enemies and the direction they're facing even through walls. now if that's not cheating, then i don't know what is.
Exactly. Of course the scout wouldn't we through walls like an OP scanner unless they are pretty close to the scout.
Edit: the reason I wouldn't be OP is because killing a scout is way easier than killing a logistics suit, scout scan range sucks compared to the active scanner, and they wouldn't be able to see you coming up from behind the scout. To fellow scouts: what's more OP, scanning you 100m out, or scanning 16-60 meters out?
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.12 21:45:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:No, that would be OP as hell.
And this is coming from a scout.
You can already get 60m passive scan with high precision tell me how me sitting on top of an enemy objective passive scanning their entire defence is OP? I don't even have to let them know they've been scanned.
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Maken Tosch
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.12 21:57:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:So buff everyone else too? No thank you. We are not your servants.
This^^
@OP
Us scouts are not your *****.
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.01.12 22:00:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:One Eyed King wrote:So buff everyone else too? No thank you. We are not your servants. This^^ @OP Us scouts are not your *****.
I never said that. But ok. No need to get excited lol
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Maken Tosch
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.12 22:01:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:No, that would be OP as hell.
And this is coming from a scout. You can already get 60m passive scan with high precision tell me how me sitting on top of an enemy objective passive scanning their entire defence is OP? I don't even have to let them know they've been scanned.
I agree.
That's passive scan and it's not shared with the squad. But there are limits to it. For instance you can't see other scouts with passive scan even with the 100m max you can get with the Scout Gk.0 suit.
The active scanner is for when you want to catch that scout and share the results with the squad at up to 150m.
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.01.12 22:02:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:True Adamance wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:No, that would be OP as hell.
And this is coming from a scout. You can already get 60m passive scan with high precision tell me how me sitting on top of an enemy objective passive scanning their entire defence is OP? I don't even have to let them know they've been scanned. I agree. That's passive scan and it's not shared with the squad. But there are limits to it. For instance you can't see other scouts with passive scan even with the 100m max you can get with the Scout Gk.0 suit. The active scanner is for when you want to catch that scout and share the results with the squad at up to 150m.
Now THAT is OP whatever you were referring to.
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Maken Tosch
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.12 22:04:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:True Adamance wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:No, that would be OP as hell.
And this is coming from a scout. You can already get 60m passive scan with high precision tell me how me sitting on top of an enemy objective passive scanning their entire defence is OP? I don't even have to let them know they've been scanned. I agree. That's passive scan and it's not shared with the squad. But there are limits to it. For instance you can't see other scouts with passive scan even with the 100m max you can get with the Scout Gk.0 suit. The active scanner is for when you want to catch that scout and share the results with the squad at up to 150m. Not THAT is OP whatever you were referring to.
Is that a typo?
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.01.12 22:06:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:True Adamance wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:No, that would be OP as hell.
And this is coming from a scout. You can already get 60m passive scan with high precision tell me how me sitting on top of an enemy objective passive scanning their entire defence is OP? I don't even have to let them know they've been scanned. I agree. That's passive scan and it's not shared with the squad. But there are limits to it. For instance you can't see other scouts with passive scan even with the 100m max you can get with the Scout Gk.0 suit. The active scanner is for when you want to catch that scout and share the results with the squad at up to 150m. Not THAT is OP whatever you were referring to. Is that a typo? Anyways, it's not OP. It's been like this for at least 2 updates now and so far no one has complained about it.
Maybe 
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Oswald Rehnquist
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Posted - 2014.01.12 23:07:00 -
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I can entertain the thought, I've seen games that work like this at any rate (mechwarrior anyone?)
I am assuming you are talking about squad vision only,
So if scouts were the "active scanners" themselves would they receive the +25 for ally kills?
Obviously the concern is
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Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.13 00:20:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:No, that would be OP as hell.
And this is coming from a scout. You can already get 60m passive scan with high precision tell me how me sitting on top of an enemy objective passive scanning their entire defence is OP? I don't even have to let them know they've been scanned.
What do you consider high precision? The highest one can get with passive and mods is slightly less than 27. The only suit that can scan over 60m with that high of precision is the Gal Adv scout with max skills.
Don't forget that Proto scanners scan at 28 Db with 100m range. The scanner can perma scan an area with the only drawback being the time it takes to complete the scan.
It's no different than where we are now.
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2014.01.13 00:24:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Remove active scanners, and make scouts vision like active scanners, only the range and precision is customizable via enhancers. This would encourage having at least one scout in a squad scouting for enemies, rather than a logistics suit scanning.
You know the only intel you would give as a Min scout would be the guy you are knifing or the location of the guy tea bagging your corpseGǪ
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Rusty Shallows
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Posted - 2014.01.13 00:33:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:One Eyed King wrote:So buff everyone else too? No thank you. We are not your servants. This^^ @OP Us scouts are not your *****.
That's the least of your worries. Active Scanners already draw some serious hate. The risk of transposing current sympathy with anger is high. Which is the quickest way to get a nerf.
The premise of making Scouts more useful to a squad is sound. That OP teamwork and other jive.
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Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.01.13 00:38:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:So buff everyone else too? No thank you. We are not your servants.
Said no minmatar ever.
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Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F
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Posted - 2014.01.13 00:47:00 -
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Make whatever the Scout sees appear on your squad's Tacnet and vice-versa.
So basically, turn squad sight back on, but only for Scouts.
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Vicious Minotaur
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.13 00:54:00 -
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I only agree with the "Remove active scanners..." -part. |
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.01.13 01:07:00 -
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Galvan Nized wrote:It's no different than where we are now.
You obviously didn't read my other posts...
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hgghyujh
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.13 03:28:00 -
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frankly they need to return tac net to its full functionality and make scanners for long range thur walls and beyond reasonable sight range. but that would require maps to be bigger. |
Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.01.13 03:31:00 -
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hgghyujh wrote:frankly they need to return tac net to its full functionality and make scanners for long range thur walls and beyond reasonable sight range. but that would require maps to be bigger.
Or just remove wall hack.
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