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Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
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Posted - 2013.08.31 11:28:00 -
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We will be so much better off without them... lets just have WP stats and Win / Lost stats. Yes ? |
richiesutie 2
Seraphim Auxiliaries
277
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Posted - 2013.08.31 11:31:00 -
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ISK per kill. ISK per death. |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
976
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Posted - 2013.08.31 11:33:00 -
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richiesutie 2 wrote:ISK per kill. ISK per death.
yeah.. that ^ too. |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY
519
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Posted - 2013.08.31 11:36:00 -
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Add more stats instead of deleting stats. If you are talking about leaderboards i completely don't care about KDR and win/loss. |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
263
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Posted - 2013.08.31 11:37:00 -
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name 1 FPS online game without K/D ratio and kills stats |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
976
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Posted - 2013.08.31 11:41:00 -
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THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:name 1 FPS online game without K/D ratio and kills stats
Name 1 FPS game with an active economy ( ISK ), where you have to buy equipment every battle, where War Points is more important than kills, and wining or losing a battle give you better ISK rewards....ohh... and Team Work is more important that individual stats. |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
264
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Posted - 2013.08.31 11:45:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:name 1 FPS online game without K/D ratio and kills stats Name 1 FPS game with an active economy ( ISK ), where you have to buy equipment every battle, where War Points is more important than kills, and wining or losing a battle give you better ISK rewards....ohh... and Team Work is more important that individual stats. its not polite to answer a question with another question even if you try to dodge the ownage
you first
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Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
976
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Posted - 2013.08.31 11:47:00 -
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THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:name 1 FPS online game without K/D ratio and kills stats Name 1 FPS game with an active economy ( ISK ), where you have to buy equipment every battle, where War Points is more important than kills, and wining or losing a battle give you better ISK rewards....ohh... and Team Work is more important that individual stats. its not polite to answer a question with another question even if you try to dodge the ownage you first
I did answer you question ... Dust 514 is NOT a normal FPS. |
Ninjanomyx
TeamPlayers EoN.
292
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Posted - 2013.08.31 11:48:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:We will be so much better off without them... lets just have WP stats and Win / Loss stats. Yes ?
LOL @ Win/Loss......just WP |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
266
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Posted - 2013.08.31 11:51:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:name 1 FPS online game without K/D ratio and kills stats Name 1 FPS game with an active economy ( ISK ), where you have to buy equipment every battle, where War Points is more important than kills, and wining or losing a battle give you better ISK rewards....ohh... and Team Work is more important that individual stats. its not polite to answer a question with another question even if you try to dodge the ownage you first I did answer you question ... Dust 514 is NOT a normal FPS.
if you say so , now the answer to ur Q is Dust514
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Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar
Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
230
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Posted - 2013.08.31 11:52:00 -
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i think we need more stats rather than less, and if the economy and teamwork are your only reasons for wanting kdr and what the heck ever removed im goin to say ur logic is not logical. |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
266
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Posted - 2013.08.31 11:53:00 -
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Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote:i think we need more stats rather than less, and if the economy and teamwork are your only reasons for wanting kdr and what the heck ever removed im goin to say ur logic is not logical. he must have rage quit some match and come to rage here
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Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
976
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Posted - 2013.08.31 11:58:00 -
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THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote:i think we need more stats rather than less, and if the economy and teamwork are your only reasons for wanting kdr and what the heck ever removed im goin to say ur logic is not logical. he must have rage quit some match and come to rage here
I don't even playing yet ... And if you check my stats, you'll see that i will be losing allot by suggesting what i suggesting ..I'm not exactly a NooB.. you know. |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
267
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Posted - 2013.08.31 11:59:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote:i think we need more stats rather than less, and if the economy and teamwork are your only reasons for wanting kdr and what the heck ever removed im goin to say ur logic is not logical. he must have rage quit some match and come to rage here I don't even playing yet ... And if you check my stats, you'll see that i will be losing allot by suggesting what i suggesting ..I'm not exactly a NooB.. you know. sorry i dont care aboot KD/R , its just that your demand is r******d |
Protocake JR
Ancient Exiles
597
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:03:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:We will be so much better off without them... lets just have WP stats and Win / Loss stats. Yes ?
Lol yeah right.
I laugh whenever my team on ambush gets decimated. I'll go 17-2 but come in third place on my team to two dudes going 3-15. WP farming is not a reliable indicator of how effective you are at what you are doing.
Reviving 2 guys only for all three of you to get destroyed in the next 10 seconds. Supplying ammo to people who still have 3 magazines worth of ammo left (and will probably get killed in the next 10 seconds). Rather than taking out a gun and killing the enemy, you take out a repair tool at the worst time and farm war points until the enemy kills all of you in the next 10 seconds.
WP rewards are arbitrary and are dependent on what CCP decides what they are worth.
KDR is the only hard, reliable data that gives a good indicator of survivability and killing efficiency. KDR isn't perfect, and it doesn't paint the whole picture, but I will trust someone who has a 8.71 KDR and 100,000 WP over someone who has a 1.12 KDR and 1,000,000 WP. |
semperfi1999
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
809
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:07:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:We will be so much better off without them... lets just have WP stats and Win / Loss stats. Yes ?
Yes legs het rid of the one stat that is the best determination of skill we have......makes sense. Dont want all the 1.5 kdr noobs to feel bad that they cant keep up with the 6 kdr or higher players...... |
demonkiller 12
G.U.T.Z Covert Intervention
152
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:07:00 -
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THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:name 1 FPS online game without K/D ratio and kills stats DUH CALL OF DUTY |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
978
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:07:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:We will be so much better off without them... lets just have WP stats and Win / Loss stats. Yes ? Lol yeah right. I laugh whenever my team on ambush gets decimated. I'll go 17-2 but come in third place on my team to two dudes going 3-15. WP farming is not a reliable indicator of how effective you are at what you are doing. Reviving 2 guys only for all three of you to get destroyed in the next 10 seconds. Supplying ammo to people who still have 3 magazines worth of ammo left (and will probably get killed in the next 10 seconds). Rather than taking out a gun and killing the enemy, you take out a repair tool at the worst time and farm war points until the enemy kills all of you in the next 10 seconds.
WP rewards are arbitrary and are dependent on what CCP decides what they are worth. KDR is the only hard, reliable data that gives a good indicator of survivability and killing efficiency. KDR isn't perfect, and it doesn't paint the whole picture, but I will trust someone who has a 8.71 KDR and 100,000 WP over someone who has a 1.12 KDR and 1,000,000 WP.
I Died 14 times yesterday with my AV commando suit, i got only 5 kills... but I killed 2 tanks and 4 LAV's... I saved the life of LOTS of my team mates, and provably chanced the full battle by doing that... You saying ? |
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar
Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
230
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:07:00 -
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in pc individual clones cost about 150k each and thats not counting the gear that u have to fit to the clone, so stats like kdr matter quite a bit in that area, in public matches kdr is not as important but it can be a decent guage to how well u may do in such an arena so its a necessary stat and there fore has no reson to be removed.
there are also corporate krd and w/l stats that help you size up your competition or possible targets and all those corporate stats are gathered from....... the individual members service to their corporation, so...... |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
268
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:09:00 -
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demonkiller 12 wrote:THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:name 1 FPS online game without K/D ratio and kills stats DUH CALL OF DUTY so u want dust514 to become CoD?
why not just play CoD , besides there are no LAVs there to roadkill you or sniping tanks
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Rynoceros
Rise of Old Dudes
606
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:10:00 -
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THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:name 1 FPS online game without K/D ratio and kills stats
Name another one with known broken stat trackers.
ISK used/WP gained/ per Death gives much more reliable stats about a merc's productivity than KDR.
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Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
978
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:18:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Protocake JR wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:We will be so much better off without them... lets just have WP stats and Win / Loss stats. Yes ? Lol yeah right. I laugh whenever my team on ambush gets decimated. I'll go 17-2 but come in third place on my team to two dudes going 3-15. WP farming is not a reliable indicator of how effective you are at what you are doing. Reviving 2 guys only for all three of you to get destroyed in the next 10 seconds. Supplying ammo to people who still have 3 magazines worth of ammo left (and will probably get killed in the next 10 seconds). Rather than taking out a gun and killing the enemy, you take out a repair tool at the worst time and farm war points until the enemy kills all of you in the next 10 seconds.
WP rewards are arbitrary and are dependent on what CCP decides what they are worth. KDR is the only hard, reliable data that gives a good indicator of survivability and killing efficiency. KDR isn't perfect, and it doesn't paint the whole picture, but I will trust someone who has a 8.71 KDR and 100,000 WP over someone who has a 1.12 KDR and 1,000,000 WP. I Died 14 times yesterday with my AV commando suit, i got only 5 kills... but I killed 2 tanks and 4 LAV's... I saved the life of LOTS of my team mates, and provably changed the full battle by doing that... You saying ?
Well ? ... no one wants to comment about this ^ ? ...Stats Whores benefits from people like me... that cares about helping its team.. not stupid stats. |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
268
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:21:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Protocake JR wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:We will be so much better off without them... lets just have WP stats and Win / Loss stats. Yes ? Lol yeah right. I laugh whenever my team on ambush gets decimated. I'll go 17-2 but come in third place on my team to two dudes going 3-15. WP farming is not a reliable indicator of how effective you are at what you are doing. Reviving 2 guys only for all three of you to get destroyed in the next 10 seconds. Supplying ammo to people who still have 3 magazines worth of ammo left (and will probably get killed in the next 10 seconds). Rather than taking out a gun and killing the enemy, you take out a repair tool at the worst time and farm war points until the enemy kills all of you in the next 10 seconds.
WP rewards are arbitrary and are dependent on what CCP decides what they are worth. KDR is the only hard, reliable data that gives a good indicator of survivability and killing efficiency. KDR isn't perfect, and it doesn't paint the whole picture, but I will trust someone who has a 8.71 KDR and 100,000 WP over someone who has a 1.12 KDR and 1,000,000 WP. I Died 14 times yesterday with my AV commando suit, i got only 5 kills... but I killed 2 tanks and 4 LAV's... I saved the life of LOTS of my team mates, and provably changed the full battle by doing that... You saying ? Well ? ... no one wants to comment about this ^ ...Stats Whores benefits from people like me... that cares about helping its team.. not stupid stats.
you say you dont care aboot stats , then why make this thread?
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Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar
Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
231
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:23:00 -
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lol ur stats let us know how stupid you are |
Protocake JR
Ancient Exiles
600
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:24:00 -
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@panther beta
Congrats on your great game. But I am sure that there are other people who will not had to of died 14 times just to kill two STD tanks and some lollavs.
Keep trying. |
Ryme Intrinseca
Seraphim Auxiliaries
0
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:26:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:We will be so much better off without them... lets just have WP stats and Win / Loss stats. Yes ? Problems:
1) Removes a useful tool for recruitment. Good corps will try to run with potential recruits before letting them in, and you're wasting everyone's time if they have to do this with assaults/heavies with very low KDRs rather than just filtering them out. 2) Removes a useful tool for character development. I look at my KDR every so often so I know how I'd doing, and the game would lose something for me if I didn't know if I was getting better or not in my role (heavy). 3) Emphasising win/loss stats is even more biased towards those who stomp in proto squads than solo players/players who squad with less experienced players. I think my KDR is slightly higher when I protostomp, but my WLR is way higher then.
No one makes you pay attention to KDR. Just ignore it if you don't like it. |
TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
12
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:26:00 -
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The best idea I have heard regarding this would be to include a weekly leaderboard displaying K/DR, W/LR this way we can track the most active players in a week and would also give the opportunity for players to reach the leaderboards regardless of their accumulated SP
CCP ! this makes sense ! try it out !!!
plus 13ear has been up their way too long and he doesn't deserve it due to the fact that he fights for his stats not for the team, I was in a battle not so long ago, a squad of my corp v the usual PROstompers, we fought it out all died quite a bit but we fought for it 13ear on the other hand left the battle the second he realised the odds were against him,
GET GOOD SCRUB! |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
978
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:27:00 -
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THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Protocake JR wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:We will be so much better off without them... lets just have WP stats and Win / Loss stats. Yes ? Lol yeah right. I laugh whenever my team on ambush gets decimated. I'll go 17-2 but come in third place on my team to two dudes going 3-15. WP farming is not a reliable indicator of how effective you are at what you are doing. Reviving 2 guys only for all three of you to get destroyed in the next 10 seconds. Supplying ammo to people who still have 3 magazines worth of ammo left (and will probably get killed in the next 10 seconds). Rather than taking out a gun and killing the enemy, you take out a repair tool at the worst time and farm war points until the enemy kills all of you in the next 10 seconds.
WP rewards are arbitrary and are dependent on what CCP decides what they are worth. KDR is the only hard, reliable data that gives a good indicator of survivability and killing efficiency. KDR isn't perfect, and it doesn't paint the whole picture, but I will trust someone who has a 8.71 KDR and 100,000 WP over someone who has a 1.12 KDR and 1,000,000 WP. I Died 14 times yesterday with my AV commando suit, i got only 5 kills... but I killed 2 tanks and 4 LAV's... I saved the life of LOTS of my team mates, and provably changed the full battle by doing that... You saying ? Well ? ... no one wants to comment about this ^ ...Stats Whores benefits from people like me... that cares about helping its team.. not stupid stats. you say you dont care aboot stats , then why make this thread?
Because K/D ratio and kills count is making people Stats Whores ...and most people don't realize that is the Logis, AV specialist, Pilots ... and so on, that i helping them to get all that stats. |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
269
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:31:00 -
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stats whores are everywhere , its not something you can defeat , its in human nature to compare with others and strive to be the best , you are not forced to do it if you dont like it or feel like it , simple
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Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar
Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
231
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:31:00 -
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2 Words
CHARACTER PROGRESSION |
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Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
921
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:33:00 -
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K/D IS THIS GAME IS A JOKE. 45 kdr? LOL See the whole gear based system corrupts it.
The kdr that I have seen.. you'll NEVER SEE IN ANOTHER FPS. 64kdr? GET OUT OF HERE WITH THAT ****!. LOL
BUT IT IS STILL THE ONLY INDICATOR THAT SOMEONE IS ABLE TO STAY ALIVE. AND THAT ITS MORE IMPORTANT THAN HOW MANY KILLS HE GOT. .25 kdr WILL NEVER BE AS GOOD AS 2.25 kdr.
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Protocake JR
Ancient Exiles
601
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:34:00 -
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THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:stats whores are everywhere , its not something you can defeat , its in human nature to compare with others and strive to be the best , you are not forced to do it if you dont like it or feel like it , simple
Pretty much this.
If you are a good Logi/AV/pilot, people will notice. Yes, the WP rewards do need to be tweaked (especially for pilots), but in the end, WP are not going to make you a better player. |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
978
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:36:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:K/D IS THIS GAME IS A JOKE. 45 kdr? LOL See the whole gear based system corrupts it.
The kdr that I have seen.. you'll NEVER SEE IN ANOTHER FPS. 64kdr? GET OUT OF HERE WITH THAT ****!. LOL
BUT IT IS STILL THE ONLY INDICATOR THAT SOMEONE IS ABLE TO STAY ALIVE. AND THAT ITS MORE IMPORTANT THAN HOW MANY KILLS HE GOT. .25 kdr WILL NEVER BE AS GOOD AS 2.25 kdr.
So how a Sniper contributes to the Battle ? .... I could snipe for a couple of weeks, and get my K/D ratio up very easily ...some times i think that the average age of Dust 514 players is about 10 years old. |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
658
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:39:00 -
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Nerf stats!! |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
921
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:45:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Surt gods end wrote:K/D IS THIS GAME IS A JOKE. 45 kdr? LOL See the whole gear based system corrupts it.
The kdr that I have seen.. you'll NEVER SEE IN ANOTHER FPS. 64kdr? GET OUT OF HERE WITH THAT ****!. LOL
BUT IT IS STILL THE ONLY INDICATOR THAT SOMEONE IS ABLE TO STAY ALIVE. AND THAT ITS MORE IMPORTANT THAN HOW MANY KILLS HE GOT. .25 kdr WILL NEVER BE AS GOOD AS 2.25 kdr.
So how a Sniper contributes to the Battle ? .... I could snipe for a couple of weeks, and get my K/D ratio up very easily ...some times i think that the average age of Dust 514 players is about 10 years old.
I could get on snipers case. But snipers do what snipers do in anyother FPS game. it's thier job. But good snipers cover the objective. BUT THEY OBVIOUSLY DON'T DIE. AND THAT WILL BE ALWAYS BE A GOOD THING. dead snipers make poor snipers. You expect that from that class. they aren't in front lines. But I"LL SAY THIS, A LIVING SNIPER COVER OBJECTIVES IS BETTER THAN A DEAD BLUE DOING NOTHING CAUSE HE DIED FOR THE 400th TIME.
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Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
921
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:47:00 -
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I don't look at the K/d to see wither your a killing machine. I look to see that you can stay alive for more than 2sec. |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
269
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:48:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Surt gods end wrote:K/D IS THIS GAME IS A JOKE. 45 kdr? LOL See the whole gear based system corrupts it.
The kdr that I have seen.. you'll NEVER SEE IN ANOTHER FPS. 64kdr? GET OUT OF HERE WITH THAT ****!. LOL
BUT IT IS STILL THE ONLY INDICATOR THAT SOMEONE IS ABLE TO STAY ALIVE. AND THAT ITS MORE IMPORTANT THAN HOW MANY KILLS HE GOT. .25 kdr WILL NEVER BE AS GOOD AS 2.25 kdr.
So how a Sniper contributes to the Battle ? .... I could snipe for a couple of weeks, and get my K/D ratio up very easily ...some times i think that the average age of Dust 514 players is about 10 years old.
by protecting tanks from swarmers?
protecting an objective from distance?
killing other snipers?
stop posting srsly
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy
WE ARE LEGENDS
274
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:49:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:We will be so much better off without them... lets just have WP stats and Win / Loss stats. Yes ? Lol yeah right. I laugh whenever my team on ambush gets decimated. I'll go 17-2 but come in third place on my team to two dudes going 3-15. WP farming is not a reliable indicator of how effective you are at what you are doing. Reviving 2 guys only for all three of you to get destroyed in the next 10 seconds. Supplying ammo to people who still have 3 magazines worth of ammo left (and will probably get killed in the next 10 seconds). Rather than taking out a gun and killing the enemy, you take out a repair tool at the worst time and farm war points until the enemy kills all of you in the next 10 seconds.
WP rewards are arbitrary and are dependent on what CCP decides what they are worth. KDR is the only hard, reliable data that gives a good indicator of survivability and killing efficiency. KDR isn't perfect, and it doesn't paint the whole picture, but I will trust someone who has a 8.71 KDR and 100,000 WP over someone who has a 1.12 KDR and 1,000,000 WP.
And ISK indicator wouldn't work because of free suits. |
Akdhar Saif
CybinSect
49
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:50:00 -
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Seeing as its points not kills that get me my bonus SP, I often ignore kills. |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
978
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:51:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Surt gods end wrote:K/D IS THIS GAME IS A JOKE. 45 kdr? LOL See the whole gear based system corrupts it.
The kdr that I have seen.. you'll NEVER SEE IN ANOTHER FPS. 64kdr? GET OUT OF HERE WITH THAT ****!. LOL
BUT IT IS STILL THE ONLY INDICATOR THAT SOMEONE IS ABLE TO STAY ALIVE. AND THAT ITS MORE IMPORTANT THAN HOW MANY KILLS HE GOT. .25 kdr WILL NEVER BE AS GOOD AS 2.25 kdr.
So how a Sniper contributes to the Battle ? .... I could snipe for a couple of weeks, and get my K/D ratio up very easily ...some times i think that the average age of Dust 514 players is about 10 years old. I could get on snipers case. But snipers do what snipers do in anyother FPS game. it's thier job. But good snipers cover the objective. BUT THEY OBVIOUSLY DON'T DIE. AND THAT WILL BE ALWAYS BE A GOOD THING. dead snipers make poor snipers. You expect that from that class. they aren't in front lines. But I"LL SAY THIS, A LIVING SNIPER COVER OBJECTIVES IS BETTER THAN A DEAD BLUE DOING NOTHING CAUSE HE DIED FOR THE 400th TIME.
I make a Sport of hunting snipers ...they are the easiest kill... they just sit there, waiting to pick the easy kill. Their contribution to the battle is nearly ZERO...But a Logi that Dies repairing my suit....That sacrifice itself so i can live a bit longer... I love that guys... their contribution is HUGE. |
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Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
922
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Posted - 2013.08.31 12:54:00 -
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N ALL FPS GAME 1.00 KDR doesn't mean you suck. doesn't mean your mowing down the enemy either. but it shows your staying alive just long enough to kill someone. and that is good.
in this game.. I've seen 26kdr. how? and that player I've faced in BF3. and his kdr there was 1k/d. SO HOW?! lol
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Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
979
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:03:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:N ALL FPS GAME 1.00 KDR doesn't mean you suck. doesn't mean your mowing down the enemy either. but it shows your staying alive just long enough to kill someone. and that is good.
in this game.. I've seen 26kdr. how? and that player I've faced in BF3. and his kdr there was 1k/d. SO HOW?! lol
"Stats *****" ...Because Dust 514 have so many Dropsuit variations... and so many possible approaches to game-play styles, it means that people can set a Class specially designed for "Stats Whoring"... which is why i strongly believe that K/D ratio and kills stats have not place in a game like Dust 514. |
Keri Starlight
Psygod9
177
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:09:00 -
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KDR needs to go, at least in objective based games. I can stand it in Ambush. KDR is ruining Skirmish and Domination, no one even hack anything.
For those saying all FPS have KDR: -Many games don't have KDR counting through Objective Modes. -DUST is not simply an FPS and it's very particular, based on ISK and SP rather then Skill.
W/L Ratio is not working correctly, supposing Wins should be divided by Losses. I don't really care about stats, but a realistic WLR would be better than this broken one. |
Pandora Mars
Afterlife Overseers
258
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:29:00 -
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Yeah, KDR is an old and horrible fashion. Kill it with fire.
This will instantly balance the game, we're going to save our PRO gear for PC or to get a momentary boost against badass enemies in the current game, limiting PRO suits at 1 or 2 per match.
As suggested, you might leave KDR in Ambush to please stat w****s. This is what Naughty Dog did with Uncharted. |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
811
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:31:00 -
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lol at thread
OP I am sorry no decent corp will recruit/ field you because your KDR is bad |
Monty Mole Clone
Shiv M
46
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:31:00 -
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but i love my 1.something kdr, please dont take it away from me its all i got -:) |
Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
637
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:39:00 -
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More hassle than it's worth removing the K/D leaderboard, everyone who'se anyone on Dust know that A: It doesn't matter what your K/DR is, if your not helping the team your useless. And B: It's all pretty much full of people who have fluffed their K/DR |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
986
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:39:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:lol at thread
OP I am sorry no decent corp will recruit/ field you because your KDR is bad
I will not join any corp that base their recruitment in K/D ratio .... That to me immediately tells me what type of Corp it is;
Stats Whoring Corp ( AKA Pubstomping Corp )
I rather be a one man corp, than join a Corp where Stats are more important than Team Work. |
Pandora Mars
Afterlife Overseers
260
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:39:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:lol at thread
OP I am sorry no decent corp will recruit/ field you because your KDR is bad
Stat ****** Corp''s are for Stat ****** only and we are not interested in joining them.
I know you're an infamous troll, but you're missing the point, here. Some decent Corp's want to test people in-game before recruiting officially. I know amazing players with a 2.5 KDR and bad players with a 7 KDR. |
Pandora Mars
Afterlife Overseers
260
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:40:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:lol at thread
OP I am sorry no decent corp will recruit/ field you because your KDR is bad I will not join any corp that base their recruitment in K/D ratio .... That to me immediately tells me what type of Corp it is; Stats Whoring Corp ( AKA Pubstomping Corp ) I rather be a one man corp, than join a Corp where Stats are more important than Team Work.
Damn, you stole my words while I was typing.... |
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Rynoceros
Rise of Old Dudes
606
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:43:00 -
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My Character Sheet KDR is 0.75
Anybody that squads with me will see me go 5/1 - 10/1 on a regular basis.
So, why is my KDR so low? Because stat tracking in Skirmish (my only mode til Domination came about) was absolute garbage for months. Did they reset the boards after it was fixed or for release? **** no. I've been digging that **** out since Uprising. When 10 Kills are 0.05% of your KDR, it takes a while to level that out. It will probably take another year just to make it semi-relative. Which forces me to behave like a KDR ***** sometimes. Sorry, pub team.
I can understand where CEOs want to make their recruiting process a little easier, but I was denied entry to a few bigger corps (back when I gave a **** about that stuff) based on 1 completely incorrect number.
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The Robot Devil
Echo Galactic Industries
880
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:47:00 -
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I usually run about a 0.75 kdr but I usually have three or four times more assists than kills and my damage given me is usually about three times higher than received damage. I give more healing than I receive and I place in the top five between both teams. Kdr is important but not the only stat that should be considered. We shouldn't remove any stat from the game unless it's broken. We should be adding stats like head shots, ISK efficiency, time between spawns, damage received/given and other such stats and make them public.
We need a kill board similar to EVE. I understand every kill being listed would be a bit much but stats are needed. Us nerds like numbers, also more stats causes more conflicts and that is a good thing. Let us argue about which stat is more important because that makes us want to work it out on the battlefield. |
George Moros
WarRavens League of Infamy
71
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:51:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote: I make a Sport of hunting snipers ...they are the easiest kill... they just sit there, waiting to pick the easy kill. Their contribution to the battle is nearly ZERO...But a Logi that Dies repairing my suit....That sacrifice itself so i can live a bit longer... I love that guys... their contribution is HUGE.
LOL, what a silly argument. So, snipers are the easiest kills because they "just sit there"? You see, the problem is that you first have to figure out where "there" actually is. And while you're doing that little hunt of yours, that guy who's "just sitting there" is killing your team mates one by one (if he's any good). Personally, I find those people who call themselves "sniper hunters" (usually scouts with shotguns), the most useless and least contributing people in battles. Sure, I get killed by them from time to time (although 4/5 times I get killed, it's by another sniper), and yes, I usually don't notice them coming, which makes me a ridiculously easy kill. But since they probably spent several minutes just looking for me, while I was killing their friends who are actually trying to win the battle, I know that my time spent in that battle was certainly better spent than theirs.
Furthermore, saying that a sniper who just did 20/0 in a battle has contributed zero to their team is plain nonsense. Sure, there are bad, and there are good snipers. There are also those who are more concerned with their K/D rather than helping their team. But, can't you say the same for every other role in this game? |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
926
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:52:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:My Character Sheet KDR is 0.75
Anybody that squads with me will see me go 5/1 - 10/1 on a regular basis.
So, why is my KDR so low? Because stat tracking in Skirmish (my only mode til Domination came about) was absolute garbage for months. Did they reset the boards after it was fixed or for release? **** no. I've been digging that **** out since Uprising. When 10 Kills are < 0.05% of your KDR, it takes a while to level that out. It will probably take another year just to make it semi-relative. Which forces me to behave like a KDR ***** sometimes. Sorry, pub team.
I can understand where CEOs want to make their recruiting process a little easier, but I was denied entry to a few bigger corps (back when I gave a **** about that stuff) based on 1 completely incorrect number.
Don't remind me about that. All I ever played was skirmish. Arrgh... |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
986
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Posted - 2013.08.31 14:01:00 -
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George Moros wrote:Panther Alpha wrote: I make a Sport of hunting snipers ...they are the easiest kill... they just sit there, waiting to pick the easy kill. Their contribution to the battle is nearly ZERO...But a Logi that Dies repairing my suit....That sacrifice itself so i can live a bit longer... I love that guys... their contribution is HUGE.
LOL, what a silly argument. So, snipers are the easiest kills because they "just sit there"? You see, the problem is that you first have to figure out where "there" actually is. And while you're doing that little hunt of yours, that guy who's "just sitting there" is killing your team mates one by one (if he's any good). Personally, I find those people who call themselves "sniper hunters" (usually scouts with shotguns), the most useless and least contributing people in battles. Sure, I get killed by them from time to time (although 4/5 times I get killed, it's by another sniper), and yes, I usually don't notice them coming, which makes me a ridiculously easy kill. But since they probably spent several minutes just looking for me, while I was killing their friends who are actually trying to win the battle, I know that my time spent in that battle was certainly better spent than theirs. Furthermore, saying that a sniper who just did 20/0 in a battle has contributed zero to their team is plain nonsense. Sure, there are bad, and there are good snipers. There are also those who are more concerned with their K/D rather than helping their team. But, can't you say the same for every other role in this game?
And how many battles are won by depleting the other teams clone supplies ? 1 of every 100 ? Most battles are won by destroying the enemy Command Center... By hunting snipers i free hacking terminals, i allowing my team to take over that cannon..and by doing that helping to destroy the Command Center. I agree i wasting time doing that.. but i helping my team allot by killing snipers farming kills in Hacking Terminals. |
Rynoceros
Rise of Old Dudes
606
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Posted - 2013.08.31 14:03:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:Rynoceros wrote:My Character Sheet KDR is 0.75
Anybody that squads with me will see me go 5/1 - 10/1 on a regular basis.
So, why is my KDR so low? Because stat tracking in Skirmish (my only mode til Domination came about) was absolute garbage for months. Did they reset the boards after it was fixed or for release? **** no. I've been digging that **** out since Uprising. When 10 Kills are < 0.05% of your KDR, it takes a while to level that out. It will probably take another year just to make it semi-relative. Which forces me to behave like a KDR ***** sometimes. Sorry, pub team.
I can understand where CEOs want to make their recruiting process a little easier, but I was denied entry to a few bigger corps (back when I gave a **** about that stuff) based on 1 completely incorrect number. Don't remind me about that. All I ever played was skirmish. Arrgh...
If 1.4 actually fixes hit detection, we should Shotty Squad. If you're still into those... I'll try to remember to add you to my Contacts.
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soulreaper73
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
285
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Posted - 2013.08.31 14:05:00 -
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THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:demonkiller 12 wrote:THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:name 1 FPS online game without K/D ratio and kills stats DUH CALL OF DUTY so u want dust514 to become CoD? why not just play CoD , besides there are no LAVs there to roadkill you or sniping tanks
cod has kdr.
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Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
926
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Posted - 2013.08.31 14:14:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Surt gods end wrote:Rynoceros wrote:My Character Sheet KDR is 0.75
Anybody that squads with me will see me go 5/1 - 10/1 on a regular basis.
So, why is my KDR so low? Because stat tracking in Skirmish (my only mode til Domination came about) was absolute garbage for months. Did they reset the boards after it was fixed or for release? **** no. I've been digging that **** out since Uprising. When 10 Kills are < 0.05% of your KDR, it takes a while to level that out. It will probably take another year just to make it semi-relative. Which forces me to behave like a KDR ***** sometimes. Sorry, pub team.
I can understand where CEOs want to make their recruiting process a little easier, but I was denied entry to a few bigger corps (back when I gave a **** about that stuff) based on 1 completely incorrect number. Don't remind me about that. All I ever played was skirmish. Arrgh... If 1.4 actually fixes hit detection, we should Shotty Squad. If you're still into those... I'll try to remember to add you to my Contacts.
Haha, I don't think I ever gave a reason as to why I'm playing more of the AV role now. But you nailed it. They fix that aim and you'll see me bring out my shotty again.
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George Moros
WarRavens League of Infamy
71
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Posted - 2013.08.31 14:36:00 -
[59] - Quote
Panther Alpha wrote: And how many battles are won by depleting the other teams clone supplies ? 1 of every 100 ? Most battles are won by destroying the enemy Command Center... By hunting snipers i free hacking terminals, i allowing my team to take over that cannon..and by doing that helping to destroy the Command Center. I agree i wasting time doing that.. but i helping my team allot by killing snipers farming kills in Hacking Terminals.
You are presuming that snipers kill only people whose presence in a battle is completely irrelevant to it's outcome. This is hardly the case. If I take out a guy who's trying to hack a objective, or swarm a tank, or kill my team mates who are holding ground, am I influencing the outcome of the battle or not? Regardless if it ends by clone depletion or MCC desctruction. There are many instances where I could clearly see that during a engagement of, say, several reds vs. several blues, me being able to kill and/or severely damage a few reds made an impact to the outcome of the engagement. If that isn't helping my team to win, than I don't know what is.
One other thing. You are actually right when you say that simply killing people doesn't necessarily win a battle. And the game mechanics actually do recognize this by awarding WPs for a whole set of actions other than kills. Due to the nature of sniper role, they quite often have the most kills in a battle. However, even when they have the most kills, they are very rarely the top WP scorers. This is because (dedicated) snipers usually don't hack objectives, repair/revive/resupply teammates, or place drop uplinks. All they do is - kill people. But saying that a sniper didn't help his team because he didn't capture any objectives and/or repair someone's armor is just like saying that a logi didn't help his team because he didn't kill anyone. |
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar
Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
234
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Posted - 2013.08.31 14:41:00 -
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op ur a dumb@$$
if dust had astat for intelligence urs would be 0 |
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Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
987
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Posted - 2013.08.31 14:46:00 -
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Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote:op ur a dumb@$$
if dust had astat for intelligence urs would be 0
What is "Astat "? ...Adult Short-Term Assessment ? ....sometimes i find you guys very confusing... |
Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
746
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Posted - 2013.08.31 15:01:00 -
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I really don't give a faq.
Why do we want CCP to go and fix a Leaderboard, when they can give us more maps, and more bug fixes?
The current system is fine, it doesn't need changing, as there are more greater priorities as of the current state of DUST. |
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